Skip to comments.Palin's Failin' (So Says Noonan)
Posted on 10/18/2008 8:30:55 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
"Sometimes the leak is so bad that even a plumber can't fix it." This was the concise summation of a cable political strategist the other day, after the third and final presidential debate. That sounds about right, and yet the race in its final days retains a feeling of dynamism. I think it is going to burst open or tighten, not just mosey along.
But we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganitea spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality.
But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things.
In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.
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There’s a small problem with your comments.
Palin does nothing but express thoughts that sound Reaganesque. That’s all she does, every time she opens her mouth.
Must be some explanation for your vastly incoherent mumblings. Maybe you were watching something on Cartoon Network, while thinking it’s something about Palin or McCain.
This absolutely cinches it, Noonan is a liar.
Remember his open mike surprise where she went off on Palin...the outrage had her showing her true liar colors saying it was misinterpreted.
So, now we see the truth, she’s despised Palin all along.
LOL, Peggy, you are so yesterday with your perfunctory prose.
Ever since she bitched (as in catty bitching and scratching) about an excellent speech GWB gave about 3 years ago, I knew something was wrong.
She has been tearing a piece off it every year since 9/11. It is probably done now and replace in her wallet with a DNC card,
Writes the Noonan, unable to disguise her post-menopausal crush on Marxist Obama... there is little sign that [Sara] has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office.
Ah, yes. Is Peggy Noonan some distinguished scholar with high honors and numerous awards (other than honorary degrees, which are truly nothing) to her c.v.?
Nupe (as a moose hunter might say)
Noonan pretends to be an elitist; but sadly, she lacks the creds. Noonan has a bachelors degree from (are you seated?) Fairleigh Dickinson University. Wiki doesnt say, but Im guessing a B.A. in linguistics, journalism, or modern dance.
Your jealousy of Governor Palins youth, attractiveness, and success is as palpable as it is repellant.
That you think that WE dont know you are a clandestine fellow traveler with Marxist Obama means that, just as do so many journalists, you misunderestimate us.
To put it in a metaphor that only you will understand, you just dont have magic.
And, paraphrasing Lloyd Bridges in "Airplane"...This could be a good time to stop sniffing glue.
Aww, you beat me to it!
She’s no lady.
I can just see Peggy, clutching her pearls, tut-tutting about the fresh, “upstart chippy” who doesn’t know her place, tsk-tsk
Noonan, Brooks and the rest of the Manhattan salon neocons need to just go away.
Too much upper east side koolaid in their cocktails.
peggy on laura ingram radio show praised obama
I think she will vote for obama, thats the only reason why she’s trying her best to derail mccain campaign before the election
I can understand if you have problem with x candidate, but why is she also going about attacking the movement as well. She has turned left imho
I cannot STAND Peggy Noonan. Go ahead and vote for Obama, just save us all, please, your inane, snide rattlings on. TOO lame.
She sees Sarah Palin as the embodiment of that which is wrong in American politics, pandering after sensationalism at the price of substance. In doing so, Ms. Noonan misses entirely the essence of Sarah Palin. The secret of Sarah Palin's connection to the American people is that it is a moral connection. She is the figure of an authentic moral creature. Both characteristics are essential: Palin is moral and Palin is authentic.
Noonan misses all of this. She faults Palin for being from "nowhere." She faults her for failing to have the outward trappings of gravitas. Noonan wants Palin to be more like Noonan. For a pundit who calls herself out as an observer with lofty detachment, Peggy Noonan has missed the significance of a real phenomenon. I think there is very little lofty detachment to be found in the salons of Manhattan and certainly very little recognition of what is essential in life and what is not.
To someone whose penthouse view of America barely extends across the Hudson, Alaska is indeed "nowhere." Unfortunately, moral truth is also nowhere for one whose worldview is so shortsighted. Put the other end of the telescope to your eye, Peggy. ultimately, Noonan has betrayed its use in overheard depth.
Of course, Noonan does not put it that way. She says she deplores Palin for elevating pandering over substance. She says that Palin trivializes politics. But Noonan's complaints about Noonan are all about appearance and not about substance. Yes, she deplores the absence of substance, but what she really means is that Palin is not Noonan.
To charge that Palin is guilty of the "vulgarization" of American politics is simply grotesque. What was done to Palin was grotesque and vulgar. Ms. Noonan could better spend her time deploring that.
Noonan does not understand that Sarah Palin's connection to about half of America is essentially moral, authentic, and uniquely American. Noonan has turned reality on its head and shown that she is herself a hypocrite, or a fool, or both. She pretends to be a pundit who rises above partisanship and speaks to the very essence of things. But here she betrays that she just doesn't get it. Professionally, she is an empty suit.
From the WSJ Opinion Archives
A great political party can't thrive on snob appeal.
Recently Andrew Cuomo asked me to contribute to a book of essays on the future of the Democratic Party. I thought I would send it to Andrew through OpinionJournal.com. That way he will be able to see your responses pro and con and perhaps include a few of them in the book, too.
As a former Democrat I'm happy to talk to my old party about its future. Some of my words may sting a little, but I send them to you in hopes your party will see in them food for thought, and for progress.
There is another problem. You have become the party of snobs. You have become the party of Americans who think they're better than other Americans.Well, Peggy, you can be as snobby as you want. A pomp-ass, if you will; you'll never have the class and dignity of down-to-earth Sarah Palin. Oh, by the way, Peggy. Ronald Reagan would love Sarah Palin.
Let me quickly chart the life of a former Democrat. When I was a teenager in the 1960s, the Democrats seemed to me the party of the working class and middle class--the party of immigrants, strivers and those who adhered to an expansive reading of the American dream. I shared that dream, and saw my home as the Democratic Party. I was swayed by JFK and Bobby, by their implicit sense of honor about being Americans, as if they thought to be an American was a great gift and yet had a price: You had to help your country, you had to have guts and an open mind, you had to care about people others forgot.
Those that can, do...those that can’t, write. Peggy is a jealous, dried up has been.
You express yourself so well, nathanbedford. I always enjoy reading your thoughtful and well-written posts.
noonan is just like the rest of the media elites, intoxicated by the smell of her own emissions.
Time to put the pen down peggy and let the fumes clouding your mind clear a bit.
“She doesn’t seem to understand the implications of her own thoughts.”
aaaaaaa, isn’t that precious...Peggy Noonan another sycophant in the media.
Peggy, you know it’s true what they say; “those that can do, and those that can’t write about those that can.”
Its okay...we all know what the reality of this situation is.
Peggy, you are jealous of Governor Palin.
She, has won an election (twice - once as a Mayor and once as a Governor) and with her 85% (or is it higher) approval rating as Governor (the highest rating in the US) she is perched on the edge of becoming the first woman Vice President ever, in the history of the United States of America, and while no one is downplaying you contributions to society, certainly you can see through your “green with envy” eyes, that at this stage in your life, especially at your age, you, well you simply will never be able to do what Governor Palin is about to do.
So, I submit to you Mrs. Noonan, instead of being bitter about Governor Palin’s success, I challenge you to look inside yourself, to that person inside of you that always aspired to be more, but settled for less and embrace that person, because it is that person deep down inside you that say’s that you always wanted to be like Governor Palin.
You wanted to achieve what you now know Governor Palin is about to accomplish, you always believed that you could have personally accomplished this yourself one day — but instead, you chose the path of least resistance — the path where you only sit on the side lines and write about those doing great things...”Peggy, you took yourself out of the game, don’t take it out on Governor Palin.”
Remember Peggy, no one, no one in the history of the world — has ever erected a monument in honor of critic.
God Bless America and God Bless Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin and their families and pray for their victory in 2008.
She is getting boring. In her new book she wants everyone to 'get along'. That's what is wrong with the Republican party now!
I don't want to 'get along' with liars, cheats and people who don't like me. I don't want to 'get along' with people who want to STEAL MY MONEY and give it to someone else.
I don't like people who put down my values and make fun of my way of life. I don't want to 'get along' with them because that means THEY GET THEIR WAY.
SHUT UP, PEGGY. You can 'get along' with them if you want but don't try to tell us what we should do!
She writes like an Obama supporter. She is incoherent, prefers writing in a stream of consciousness and not an analytical thinker.
What is it with these ‘B’ and ‘C’ tier harpies biting Governor Palin’s ankles?
Perhaps they would just rather see Rudy in drag.
Ever since the real Noonass was revealed on the open mic, I have no regard for anything this two-faced loser has to say. She is no different than Couric or the view witches or the Hacks Parker and Brown.
Noonan could quit writing her ‘opinion’ tomorrow and she would not be missed.
You used to write beautifully and be a champion for conservatives. WTH happened to you? Sheesh.
“In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics.” Governor Palin was not the one caught on an open mike spouting vulgarities, eh, Peggy?
“Eastern Elites have been put on notice and dont like it.”
BINGO, we have a winner.
Peggy Noonan at one time made sense in what she wrote. When her stuff did not sell for as much as her ego demanded, her only option it seems is to try to sell herself to the non Conservatives....Ala Huffington, and the f*g who used to write for the Weekly Standard. I have watched her on some pundit programs and it is SO obvious that she is very deeply in love with herself.......even though no one else is.
Like athletes who refuse to quit when their prime is long past, she seems to be gasping for the last breath of relevancy.
Enough said. Anyway, Mahalo
I’ve always admired, and defended, Peggy Noonan. After this, I am ashamed of her and she should feel ashamed of herself.
“. Sadly, her usefullness to this campaign circus has boiled down to her being a mere warm-up juggling act for a very courageous but dottering lion tamer.”
Sadly, your comments to the circus of nay-sayers has boiled down to your being a mere warm-up juggling act for those who seem to profess one thing, but hope for the opposite.
OK, since I’ve lived in both urban areas and now in rural areas, I have a pretty good idea what y’all see going on.
Gov. Palin represents something that people like Noonan, Parker, et al resent: a conservative or politician who is NOT part of the NYC/DC media sphere of influence. Gov. Palin doesn’t know, doesn’t care, and won’t care what the “conservative elite” in this NYC/DC media axis have to say. Not now, not when in office.
This greatly alarms the “conservative elite.” Because, you see, for all the time these conservative elites spend talking about our heartland ethics, (work and otherwise), morality, etc — they don’t live it. And they don’t want to live it. Look at Noonan: can you see her existing in Alaska, or on a ranch in the west, or a farm in the midwest/south, or in an oilfield job?
Heck no. She might get dirty. She might break a nail. She wouldn’t be able to wear perfectly foolish shoes. No, people like Noonan wish to remain comfortably aloof and apart from us conservative rabble, we little people down here on the ground.
Gov. Palin represents a threat to the “conservative elite” media types in a way that men from the same geographical region cannot. Gov. Palin looks every bit as fashionable as one of these “conservative elites” - yet doesn’t live in NYC. Gov. Palin has been elected to office, but yet she doesn’t have an Ivy League liberal arts degree. Gov. Palin uses speech patterns that are not of NYC/DC. Palin can (and does) do the sort of things that heartland/flyover country conservatives do for work every week — and yet, she cleans up better than most of these society broads.
Gov. Palin is bringing in huge crowds and big money. Big Time. Palin (and the conservative base that is thrilled to have a leader like Palin) are now a threat to the Noonans of this world. We’ve got a leader who actually gets dirty.
Whoa. Can’t have that. Leaders have to be.... leader like. As in, they don’t get dirty. People like Noonan want conservative leaders to spend their time kissing up to op-ed writers in NYC.
That ain’t gonna happen with Palin.
In summary, remember this: the “conservative elites” have grown rather used to being able to mold, direct and plan conservative opinion ever since 1994. Starting with the immigration issue, that model has been crumbling. Palin, and a resurgence of the conservative base in flyover country, stand to relocate a whole lot of people who write for the WSJ op-ed page out to a wilderness of irrelevance.
And you are a sad little clown if you think either one of these two are conservative in the true sense of the word. Do I hope they win? As Sarah would say, “You betcha!” Are they going to win? God, I hope so! Will they lead us into a great new Reagan-like conservative revival of government? Hah!
Peggy hates us. She really does. She knows Palin speaks against her inside the beltway liberal republican mentality. Peggy does not connect with us. Palin does.
“...perfectly foolish shoes...”
Ah, that is a great turn of phrase!
I'd pay to see that.
WHAT A ARROGANT JERK!!!
Noonan is suffering from catty women syndrone BIG TIME.
Raises a question.
How do you become head of the Harvard Law Review without writing a single article? How do you function as editor without writing a single article?
To ask the question is to answer it.
Let me know when I can sign up for the boycott Peggy Noonan petition. She probably signed a new contract with Huffington Post in 2009. She is awful and not one of us.
Comments section is locked. Gee, I wonder why?
Come and get you? From what floor of what tower?
Too Cool for the Room
It is nothing short of stunning this election year to read and listen to some of our most noted national conservatives demonstrate no practical understanding of conservative America. It would serve Peggy Noonan, Charles Krauthammer, Fred Barnes, Kathleen Parker, and Bill Kristol well to shirk cocktail parties and mid-town lunches with the broadcast and publishing hierarchy in Manhattan and D.C. and travel like a presidential candidate for a time. Potluck dinners, small-town festivals, state fairs, church picnics and bowling alleys would be great places to start. Shake some hands. Converse with people. Were they to dare attempt such a journey, it is without question our conservative “All Stars” would find far more Sarah Palins and far fewer Peggy Noonans. A fact, one might suspect, embarrasses them to their core.
Average American, working class conservatives have disdain for the dishonest turn their “intellectual superiors” have taken. Their attempt to discredit Governor Palin as an empty “follower” with nothing to offer is both disrespectful and transparent. Palin was elected by a state’s majority citizenry. This instantly qualifies the Governor for the national debate and singly trumps any perceived qualifications of both men on the Democratic ticket.
In an election year when youth trumps age, speeches trump experience, and “cool” trumps all - sometimes even the most thoughtful among us transform into high school teens who simply want to fit in. Ms. Noonan and her once conservative ilk are this year’s homecoming queen candidates and Senator Obama is their football captain.
The conservative television and print establishment has no doubt succumbed to the well-crafted speeches well delivered by the freshman Illinois senator. It is a disappointing but perfectly understood turn for individuals like the former Reagan speech writer. They would, however, be received more believably and credited with more integrity were they to begin making an honest explanation of their support of the Democratic ticket. Instead, their newfound infatuation has led to an elitist, deceitful and unwarranted attack on the “vulgar” Americans who call their children “kids” and drop their “ings” at the end of a sentence.
Ms. Noonan and company have been making the rounds for weeks now asserting Governor Palin remains an affront to conservatives’ intelligence. In truth, it is Ms. Noonan and her weak-kneed colleagues carrying that banner. It is not enough for them to simply join ranks of Obama’s flock and sing his praises to Pennsylvania Ave. There is no intellectual heft to be found in that. To their liberal colleagues and friends, it is considered brave and intellectually honest of them to pile on Governor Palin instead. Simply, it is cool to kick conservatives this year. Cooler still? A known conservative kicking another conservative. Now that’s the pinnacle of cool.
We read them like a book. Like the newly authored book Ms. Noonan is currently pedaling to the electorate, Patriotic Grace. Penning and marketing a new book as a conservative in such a challenging year for conservatives is no small task, to be certain. Surely Ms. Noonan would not sacrifice her once proud conservative principles simply to appeal to Bush loathing, Obama sycophants roaming through a book store in an election year.
Now that would be vulgar. In this case, however, vulgar is cool.
Chris Stigall is a talk show host on KCMO radio in Kansas City.
I'm peggy, are you a conservative? Because I don't like them, and I don't like YOU.
Peggy is so wrong. I wasn’t going to vote for McCain but I am now because of Palin. She is awesome. GO Palin!
It is abundantly clear than Peggy Noonan doesn’t care for Sarah Palin. Never has, and probably never will.
I suspect much of that is little more that elitist snobbery on the part of Ms. Noonan. For Ms. Noonan, who was born and reared in New York City and graduated from Fairleigh Dickinson, no one who graduated from a state school (after . . . gasp. . . transferring from a community college!) will ever be good enough for her, and especially one who lived her life far away from the East Coast.
Ms. Noonan willfully fails to recognize that lack of pedigree does not prevent one from acquiring common sense of becoming an effective leader. “Joe the Plumber”, not even a college graduate, far better articulates conservative thought and policy than many political pundits and figures.
It appears to this observer that the person who lacks credibility with conservative America in 2008 is not Gov. Palin, but Ms. Noonan.
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