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Norfolk-based Navy ship runs aground in Black Sea port
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | 24 Oct 08 | Matthew Jones

Posted on 10/24/2008 12:28:53 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY

The destroyer Barry ran aground Thursday as it was preparing to dock at a port in the Black Sea, the Navy confirmed Friday.

The incident happened at about 10:30 a.m. local time, as the Norfolk-based ship was entering the Turkish port of Samsun.

The ship ran aground in silt as it was maneuvering in the port’s turning basin, about 200 yards from the pier. A harbor pilot was on board at the time, a Navy official said.

Tugs were able to free the ship with assistance from Turkish coast guard divers, and the vessel is currently moored at a Samsun pier.

Commercial divers conducted an initial assessment of the destroyer Friday and found no damage. A U.S. diving team is expected to do a follow-up inspection today.

Depending on the results, the ship will continue on its mission. The Navy also plans to investigate how the grounding happened.

The Barry left Norfolk in August to join a standing naval maritime group overseas and provide regional security. More recently, it has been operating on its own in the Black Sea, including a stop in the Georgian port town of Poti.

Thursday’s incident happened during a scheduled port visit.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: grounding; navy; norfolk; poti; usn; ussbarry
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Not a good way to start off a port visit.
1 posted on 10/24/2008 12:28:54 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: GATOR NAVY

ruh rohhhh - there goes another captains career.


2 posted on 10/24/2008 12:30:35 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An inadequately policed Conservative)
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To: GATOR NAVY
“Little to the left, little more, just a little more...BAM! Right, right, go right!”
3 posted on 10/24/2008 12:30:44 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: GATOR NAVY

I just have to think the ‘Providential Hand’ is telling us something here...


4 posted on 10/24/2008 12:31:20 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

I’m not so sure, if a harbor pilot was guiding the ship.


5 posted on 10/24/2008 12:33:54 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (My 401K is in precious metals. Lead, Brass and Blued Steel.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Not likely to cost the Capt. Harbor pilot controls the ship in the harbor.


6 posted on 10/24/2008 12:35:11 PM PDT by muskah
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To: muskah

Whatever they paid the pilot, it was too much.


7 posted on 10/24/2008 12:37:10 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: GATOR NAVY

We should not be in any port where we have to turn control of a naval vessel over to foreigners.


8 posted on 10/24/2008 12:37:14 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: GATOR NAVY
The Barry left Norfolk in August to join a standing naval maritime group overseas and provide regional security. More recently, it has been operating on its own in the Black Sea

Double entendre alert...

9 posted on 10/24/2008 12:38:11 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher; Obama is America's George Galloway.)
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To: GATOR NAVY

The port of Samsun. Too bad this doesn't have a distance scale. I'm guessing they were shooting for somewhere around berths 10-12.

10 posted on 10/24/2008 12:39:11 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
ruh rohhhh - there goes another captains career.

Not if there was a pilot onboard.

11 posted on 10/24/2008 12:39:29 PM PDT by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Nice map ... north to the west.
12 posted on 10/24/2008 12:42:54 PM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: 2banana

“Little to the left, little more, just a little more...BAM! Right, right, go right!”

“Port” and “Starboard”, landlubber!


13 posted on 10/24/2008 12:48:07 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Not necessarily. If the charts were properly updated and the pilot directed the vessel onto said uncharted hazard, then the skipper is probably gonna be okay. The board of inquiry will hammer the old man if there were any shortcuts, mistakes or gundecking of chart updates.


14 posted on 10/24/2008 12:48:57 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ex-snook

It isn’t turning the ship over - capt retains command - just the pilot has the helm. It is common naval practice - did it in Yoko, Subic Bay, Shimonseki straights - true in panamana canal, suez canal etc....


15 posted on 10/24/2008 12:49:58 PM PDT by reed13 (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: 2banana

Oops! And I forgot, “Aaaaaaaaaarh!”


16 posted on 10/24/2008 12:50:49 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: GATOR NAVY

here’s hoping that another destroyer Barry runs aground before election day.


17 posted on 10/24/2008 12:53:16 PM PDT by DannyTN (`)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Barry runs aground? Sounds like another Ayers-inspired phrase on behalf of Obama - did he write another nautical-themed book?


18 posted on 10/24/2008 12:53:40 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Silt in a poorly maintained, marked and charted harbor, without accurate information in a coastal/harbor/pilot guide? Silt happens. There will be an inquiry, but if the capt and crew were following standard procedures, especially with a pilot on board, the report will exonerate the crew.


19 posted on 10/24/2008 12:53:57 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: CholeraJoe; muskah

There are two instances where a CO totally relinquishes responsibility to a pilot-the Panama Canal and when entering or exiting a drydock.

Navy Regs Chapter 8 The Commanding Officer Section 2 The Commanding Officer Afloat

Article 0856. Pilotage.

1. The commanding officer shall:

a. pilot the ship under all ordinary circumstances, but may employ pilots whenever,in his or her judgment, such employment is prudent;

b. not call a pilot on board until the ship is ready to proceed;

c. not retain a pilot on board after the ship has reached her destination or a point where the pilot is no longer required;

d. give preference to a licensed pilot; and

e. pay pilots no more than the local rates.

2. A pilot is merely an advisor to the commanding officer. The presence of a pilot on board shall not relieve the commanding officer or any subordinate from his or her responsibility for the proper performance of the duties with which he or she may be charged concerning the navigation and handling of the ship. For an exception to the provisions of this paragraph, see “Rules and Regulations Covering: Navigation of the Panama Canal and Adjacent Waters,” which directs that the pilot assigned to a vessel in those waters shall have control of the navigation and movement of the vessel. Also see the provisions of these regulations concerning the navigation of ships at a naval shipyard or station, or in entering leaving drydock.


20 posted on 10/24/2008 12:55:15 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
A harbor pilot was on board at the time
21 posted on 10/24/2008 12:55:59 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: GATOR NAVY

Navigation by Braille is rarely career-enhancing.


22 posted on 10/24/2008 1:01:08 PM PDT by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Thanks for the lesson.


23 posted on 10/24/2008 1:01:15 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (My 401K is in precious metals. Lead, Brass and Blued Steel.)
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To: GATOR NAVY
USS Barry


24 posted on 10/24/2008 1:05:38 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: AndyJackson
Silt in a poorly maintained, marked and charted harbor, without accurate information in a coastal/harbor/pilot guide? Silt happens.

lol - yes it does. Didn't know about the pilot.

25 posted on 10/24/2008 1:05:48 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An inadequately policed Conservative)
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To: ladtx
Wrong Barry. DD-933 was decommissioned in 1969.

DDG-52, USS Barry

26 posted on 10/24/2008 1:14:01 PM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Well, I guess the Navy will be promoting a commander to captain early this year.


27 posted on 10/24/2008 1:14:48 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Inasmusch as it is a tin can, the Captain could have a problem.


28 posted on 10/24/2008 1:16:12 PM PDT by kenmcg
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
So much for that career.

One story I heard about but never knew if it was true was that some CO got his ship stuck on a reef and waited a day or two hoping the tide would lift him off. During that time apparently there was little or no communications with higher authority. Needless to say the tide didn't come but a replacement CO did. Of course, that depends if the story is true.

29 posted on 10/24/2008 1:16:57 PM PDT by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: GATOR NAVY
The destroyer Barry ran aground Thursday...

Let's hope that the same thing happens to the true destroyer "Barry", who's socialist ideals threaten to destroy what was once the greatest, most prosperous nation on earth.

30 posted on 10/24/2008 1:17:59 PM PDT by meyer (We are all Joe the Plumber)
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To: CholeraJoe

Certainly the fact that a pilot was onboard will be considered in the investigation, it just won’t absolve the CO of his responsibility.

I’ve seen some pilots in some ports that scared the hell out of me. There are still many places in the world where it’s obvious that nepotism and/or bribery will still get one far.


31 posted on 10/24/2008 1:23:13 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Hmmm...

“Barry”....the “Destroyer”.....ran aground???

In a Black Sea port???


32 posted on 10/24/2008 1:26:58 PM PDT by G Larry (Barack’s character has been molded by extremists)
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To: GATOR NAVY

I doubt they would relieve the captain?

Shouldn’t be much if any damage done from running aground on silt (soft mud). And although the captain is ultimately responsible, it would seem reasonable enough to let the pilot do his work.

The only alternative would probably be to spend extra hours sending people out to sound the bottom before maneuvering in. And showing that you don’t trust the local pilot isn’t a good way to make friends on a port visit.

As long as they were keeping it reasonably slow, I should think the captain would be exonerated, although you can’t always second guess what the chain of command will come up with.


33 posted on 10/24/2008 1:27:02 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AmericaUnited

???


34 posted on 10/24/2008 1:31:10 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

No, he was not at the helm, nor was any Navy officer. The helmsman was following the orders of the harbor pilot at the time.


35 posted on 10/24/2008 1:32:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
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Didn't the Missouri or some carrier run aground in San Francisco Bay back in the 1980's? I recall the Captain was exonerated because the channel was charted and certified safe by the Navy for navigation by a ship with the noted draft. I would hope the same thing happens here, but the Navy being what it is, it'll all depend on the politics of the courts martial whether or not the skipper of the Barry gets promoted to permanent shore duty.
36 posted on 10/24/2008 1:32:38 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Buraq HUSSEIN Obama. If the libs don't like his name then why support him?)
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To: Cicero

You make some good points and I should also add that there are many otherwise competent pilots who are just plain unfamiliar with the handling characteristics of high powered warships. It’s a different ball game than a low speed diesel single screw bulk carrier.


37 posted on 10/24/2008 1:36:31 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Barry... the destroyer... BLACK sea...


38 posted on 10/24/2008 1:40:30 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Illic Est Haud Deus)
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To: PeterFinn

It was USS Enterprise, coming home after an 8 month deployment with all the families waiting on the pier.

IIRC in that case it was determined that heavier than normal rains the previous winter had contributed to abnormal silting in the channel.


39 posted on 10/24/2008 1:43:03 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
ruh rohhhh - there goes another captains career.

Not likely. But the Pilot {required} likely has a lot of explaining to do. BTW I think Chester Nimitz grounded a ship about mid career. Not always an unforgivable act but depends a lot on the circumstances.

40 posted on 10/24/2008 1:43:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: pabianice
Wrong Barry. DD-933 was decommissioned in 1969.

Wrong. DD-933 was decommissioned Nov. 5, 1982.

See http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/933.htm.

41 posted on 10/24/2008 1:43:41 PM PDT by cayuga (A 9mm is a .45 set to Stun. NRA-Life)
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To: reed13

True, and in doing so, He still has ultimate responsibility in the safety of His Vessel. If He did study the chart and it was updated as it should have been by the QM’s with the weekly Notice to Mariners, He, or the Conning Officer should know (as long as the visual bearing takers were on top of things)where, and if there were any changes in the depth of the turning basin. I would start asking if Sonar was giving depth readings, as they should be with every fix taken, as this would give the OOD, Conning Officer and CO the info that the water was shoaling that fast.

And I’m guessing they were going to the 16-17 spots down to the lower left of the chart up there. No Port Captain worth his salt would put a haze grey ship next to a “Yacht Club”...To many complaints.........


42 posted on 10/24/2008 1:46:50 PM PDT by shredderman (Living in a Blue State, with a Blue Wife, But I'm Red to the bone.....)
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To: GATOR NAVY

One thing for certain. Not a good time for Snipes after grounding. They’ll be cleaning sea water strainers for a long time :>{


43 posted on 10/24/2008 1:48:27 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: cayuga

BARRY DDG 52 grounded. But I think I remember the old Barry DD 933 was our escort a few times in the late 70’s.


44 posted on 10/24/2008 1:53:49 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: PeterFinn

‘Didn’t the Missouri or some carrier run aground in San Francisco Bay ‘

It was the Enterprise. Not sure about the fate of the Captain.


45 posted on 10/24/2008 1:53:58 PM PDT by wiley
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To: ExpatGator
I notice there is a ferry terminal in the harbor not far from the berth they were probably going for. If the harbor is shallow, as I gather this one was, ferries can wreak all sorts of havoc with charted depths. They churn up a lot of mud with their props and their bow thrusters as they turn to go in and out of their slips.

I use the Cape May Canal to take my boat between Delaware Bay and the Atlantic Ocean, and the waters off the ferry terminal at the Delaware Bay end of the canal are always tricky. You watch your depth gauge like a hawk and go very slowly, ready to throw the throttle into full reverse at the slightest bump.

That said, a harbor pilot ought to know this and ought to know where the ferries typically reduce the depth.

46 posted on 10/24/2008 1:57:36 PM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: wiley

BIG E Nov 2 1985 Here’s a great site http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/museum/casualties.htm


47 posted on 10/24/2008 2:00:20 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: blau993

Good points on the effect of prop wash around busy docks in silty harbors.


48 posted on 10/24/2008 2:02:09 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: shredderman

UQN transducer is 500 feet (+-) from the running gear. Lots of room for error, especially if twisting near dock or being pushed side-to by tugs.


49 posted on 10/24/2008 2:07:36 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: shredderman
And I’m guessing they were going to the 16-17 spots down to the lower left of the chart up there.

Look at the legend with the depths of the various berths. At 6 meters a DDG isn't going anywhere near those berths.

50 posted on 10/24/2008 2:10:22 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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