Posted on 10/24/2008 3:31:47 PM PDT by goldstategop
The neocons are abandoning the GOP after ruining it. Maybe they can ruin the Democrats too.
“I know that I’m going to get flamed for this, but I believe that conservatism doesn’t have a single meaning: it has several strands. We know that some people are conservative socially, the others are conservative economically, and so on. Some people are both social and economic conservatives. The great thing about Reagan is that he could put different strands of conservatism in one umbrella. The way I understand Rush is that a person has to hold every single conservative position (in social, economic, patriotic, etc.) before he can be called ‘conservative’.”
No flames here. I agree about Reagan. He pulled in social and foreign policy conservatives who were out of place in a Democratic Party that had moved left.
I’d be a lot more comfortable with the “lose and rebuild” theory if I saw a Reagan out there to build around during an Obama presidency.
So McCain, Romney, Thompson, Giuliani and their constituents—Hillary’s old women—have left the Republican Party? Oh...no, apparently not.
I don’t believe it was me you said it to. I don’t have any posts from you in all of October. I plan to vote for McCain (as does Rush I’m sure), because the alternative to me is unthinkable. I’m growing increasingly sick of that being the primary reason for my vote however.
Rush supported Dubai but he DID NOT support Miers. he was emphatically against her from day one.
And while amnesty wasn’t an issue he carried every day when it became an issue forced by Bush, McCain and Kennedy he was against it.
“Yeah, if you’re not one of us, what the hell were you doing on our side, anyway?”
They were never on “our” side, that is why when McCain chose Palin it signaled that the conservatives owned the future of the party, meaning that the rinos had lost.
That is why they jumped ship.
How the hell is it that moderate Republicans are fleeing their own party and we are not attracting other moderates and independents? How in the hell did you people figure this to happen? So the Republican Party’s own strategy here not only has it backfired, it’s embarrassing. ....”The Republican Party, we gotta be a big tent,” and that’s code words for, “We gotta have some pro-choicers in our party to get rid of the influence of these hayseed hicks in the South who are pro-life.”
***Here’s a Big-Tent analogy I introduced on my SUPOI
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=6245#6245
Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Rudy Giuliani flunks some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
I detest the far right almost as much as I detest the far left. Both groups are idiots in my opinion! I and one proud RINO who does not follow the herd and makes up his own mind! I believe in States Rights and a small federal government. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and I am rejoining the NRA as soon as I get back to the states. As these “Ol Boys” say it and play it: OBAMA, NO MERCI BEAUCOUP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrZltfJv5c
You get a gold star for telling the truth.
Indeed...Dont’t let the door....
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
He has done everything he can to appeal to the swing voter, including spending most of his campaign saying "me too" every time Obama proposes a new give away.
And while only 35% are real, self-identified conservatives, a good chunk of even Obama's diehard supporters (blacks) don't support abortion, homosexuality or gun control.
But the bottom line is that what they have to say is far less important than 1) how they say it 2) what percentage of the female population would prefer to date each one.
Boy do I second that!
This is where I have problem with: the straight line model where 'real conservative' is on one corner, and the more distance a person from that corner, the less conservative he is. There is no place in this model for various kinds of conservatism. I don't think reality is like that. As I mentioned in my post, Reagan revolution is about his ability in putting them together in one umbrella.
And just think, there are some Rush haters who claim he isn't pro-life.
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The United States Department of Education is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Created by the Department of Education Organization Act it was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979 and began operating on May 4, 1980. (snip)
A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but soon was demoted to an Office in 1868. Its creation a century later in 1979 was controversial and opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as an unconstitutional, unnecessary federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs.
Unlike the systems of most other countries, education in the United States is highly decentralized, and the federal government and Department of Education is not heavily involved in determining curricula or educational standards (with the recent exception of the No Child Left Behind Act).
This has been left to state and local school districts. The quality of educational institutions and their degrees is maintained through an informal private process known as accreditation, over which the Department of Education has no direct public jurisdictional control.
“Rush kind of has to walk on eggshells with that. After all, he has been banging the drum for those GOP moderate Republicans for years.”
No he was facing facts. To help the Republican party win he was espousing the moderate line to try to move them to the right. He was playing a tactical game and realized it was for naught.
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