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Good Riddance, GOP Moderates (RINOs Flee The GOP Big Tent Alert)
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 10/24/2008 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:31:47 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: supercat

Sarah Palin is not a conservative.

She wants to grow the federal government.

She is a RINO, just like McCain.


61 posted on 10/24/2008 6:49:15 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: Twinkie

It wasn’t that long ago that the Republican Party had a conservative view:

Bob Dole said on Sept. 9, 1996, while in Georgia, “We’re going to cut out the Department of Education.” At that time, the GOP presidential platform read, in part:

Our formula is as simple as it is sweeping: The federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula or to control jobs in the workplace. That is why we will abolish the Department of Education, end federal meddling in our schools, and promote family choice at all levels of learning.

We therefore call for prompt repeal of the Goals 2000 program and the School-To-Work Act of 1994, which put new federal controls, as well as unfunded mandates, on the States. We further urge that federal attempts to impose outcome- or performance-based education on local schools be ended.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41802


62 posted on 10/24/2008 6:51:43 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: donna

Too many yellow-dog Democrats were mesmerized with the “charming?!” Bill Clinton and he could do no wrong. Bob Dole, while I admired and loved him and Elizabeth, was too old when he ran. Dole was wounded (once a badge of courage) and the “handsome, tall?!?”, lying, debauched, Bill Clinton managed to pull the wool over eyes again. He had inherited the bounty of Reagan’s tax cuts and rode that horse for eight years with Republican help to get convinced to take some less socialist steps that he didn’t want to take. Bob Dole was a good man, but, like McCain, he was Washington establishment and the conservative banner needed to be carried by someone younger. Still, I HOPE that McCain/Palin will be elected, even though I know the MSM will continue to disrespect and villify Gov. Palin if they are - after the MSM excuses the riots and looting war that will probably occur if the MSM’s victory predictions for Obama don’t come true. - If WE all don’t take responsibility for turning off those TV news shows and ALL programming on channels that push the commie agenda, we have no one else to blame but ourselves for the continuing slaps in the face delivered by the liberal news media that is so arrogant they don’t even pretend to be unbiased any more. - They DETEST us rubes, so us rubes need to wise up and let them feel it in their pocketbooks that finance their snobby, elitist lives and inform all the advertisers that we are gone.


63 posted on 10/24/2008 8:23:46 PM PDT by Twinkie (Democratic Party = Communist Party)
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To: donna
She wants to grow the federal government.

When has she actively attacked conservatives?

64 posted on 10/24/2008 8:54:58 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: goldstategop
The minute you say that conservatism includes people who are pro-choice, you've destroyed conservatism because conservatism stands for "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness." Without life, there is nothing else here, and if we're going to sit around indiscriminately deciding who lives and who dies based on our own convenience, that's not conservative. Individual liberty. The essence of innocence is a child in the womb who has no choice over what happens to it. Sorry. If we don't stand up for that person, if the government doesn't, then nobody will. And if we allow ourselves to get watered down by a bunch of people who are embarrassed over that position, they're not conservatives.
65 posted on 10/25/2008 5:38:48 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: goldstategop
They [moderates] have proven they haven't a clue how to win an election. They have proven that they have not a clue that they understand the American electorate. They have proven they have not a clue what it is that inspires people to support their party and go to the poll and support them.

Rush is, as always, 1200% correct.

66 posted on 10/25/2008 11:37:53 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: bilhosty
About 35% of the people in this country classify themselves as Conservatives. If you drive everyone else out you just hang it up. You cannot win an election with 35%.

Good point.

I don't know about Rush's logic here. With things as they are now, could another -- could any -- Republican nominee win this year? Romney certainly couldn't, with his money fund background and all that. Huckabee or Giuliani or Thompson probably couldn't either. And I doubt many Republicans are fleeing McCain, though there are some who are really fed up with Bush. So it's not that McCain's strategy failed as much as the bottom fell out of the party as a whole.

Weld isn't much of a moderate. Just call him sui generis: "of its own kind, or unique in its characteristics." "Fiscal conservatism and social liberalism" doesn't always translate into "moderate Republicanism." Some liberals would go along with that self-designation. Weld was in the Republican Party because of the specific nature of Massachusetts politics. In another part of the country, if Weld thought as he did about the issues, he would have been a Democrat.

67 posted on 10/25/2008 11:52:50 AM PDT by x
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To: iowamark
And if we allow ourselves to get watered down by a bunch of people who are embarrassed over that position, they're not conservatives.

Amen. Let them vote Libertarian. I don't want pro-choicers in my "tent."

If you think its OK to take an innocent life...you have a mental disorder.

If you don't think it is OK...but think its someone else's right...you are morally bankrupt. You are devoid of conviction on the one thing you should be most convicted about: The life of an innocent child.

68 posted on 10/25/2008 12:07:29 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: supercat

Who said she did? She’s pretending to be one to get votes.


69 posted on 10/25/2008 12:47:55 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: Twinkie

McCain/Paline are RINO’s doing the same thing to you once again.


70 posted on 10/25/2008 12:50:03 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: donna
Who said she did? She’s pretending to be one to get votes.

I said that I define RINOs by their enemies. I should perhaps have been clearer and said 'by who they see as enemies'. In particular, RINOs attack conservatives for their conservatism. Someone who supports conservatives on 20% of issues and ignores them on 80% of issues would be a moderate; someone who supports conservatives on 25% of the issues but actively attacks them on 75% would be a RINO.

King George the RINO (aka Lyin' Ryan) of Illinois, for example, ran an ad which showed a man removing a pistol from a bag near a school yard and accused his opponent of wanting people to carry guns in the streets. That's RINOism. Not merely being unwilling to support concealed-carry legislation, or even silently voting against it, but actively campaigning against it.

Has Gov. Palin demonstrated anything close to that level of anti-conservatism? There are some issues where I'm not terribly happy with her support for McCain's stands, but I understand that open discord between her and McCain would benefit nobody but Obama.

71 posted on 10/25/2008 1:28:47 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: supercat

You tell me what is conservative about Sarah Palin other than not wanting to murder the unborn. And, even on that topic she is not planning to lift a finger as VP.

There isn’t one thing that she is advocating for national office that is conservative.

She is, however, advocating Feminism which is the complete and total rejection of traditional values.


72 posted on 10/25/2008 2:20:05 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: donna
You tell me what is conservative about Sarah Palin other than not wanting to murder the unborn.

Huh?

73 posted on 10/25/2008 2:26:27 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: donna
You tell me what is conservative about Sarah Palin other than not wanting to murder the unborn. And, even on that topic she is not planning to lift a finger as VP.

Her state is funded by the sale of state property (oil) rather than taxes, and she has endeavored both to get a good price for the state's property and to avoid reckless spending so that some of the proceeds from the sale can be returned to taxpayers.

I suppose one could argue that the state should only sell sufficient oil to meet its revenue needs(*), or that it should invest the proceeds somehow rather than giving them to taxpayers, but someone like Obama would have instead tried to figure out what sort of spending programs he could create to use up all the oil revenue and then some, so he'd have justification to tax the "wealthy".

Besides, you also left off the fact that Gov. Palin is pro-Second Amendment. That's definitely a conservative issue, is it not? She also does not seem to be friends with Ayers, Wright, et al. That should count for something.

On life issues and the Second Amendment, she's 100% conservative. Fiscally, she's much better than Obama. Why are you calling her a RINO?

(*) Note that it would do this by raising the price it charged for oil so as to reduce the quantity demanded; some conservatives would probably regard such a move as "raising taxes".

PS -- Although the cause of feminism has been superseded by liberalism, such that most so-called feminists are liberals first and feminists second (to the extent that liberalism takes priority over everything the feminists supposedly stand for), that does not imply that everything about feminism is anti-conservative. Title IX has some severe problems with implementation (reminds me of a park that installed two toilets and two urinals in the men's rest room, and likewise two toilets and two urinals in the women's) but Sarah Palin did receive benefit from it and I would not expect her to alter it in such a way that a woman like her could not receive benefit from it. On the other hand, I see no reason to expect that Gov. Palin would oppose eliminating the effective requirement that women's programs be funded in such fashion as to exceed the demand therefor.

74 posted on 10/25/2008 2:58:12 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: donna

So, I’m going to throw my vote away on Bob Barr, or worse, Ralph Nader and, in effect vote for Barack Hussein Obama. No, thanks.


75 posted on 10/25/2008 2:59:50 PM PDT by Twinkie (Democratic Party = Communist Party)
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To: goldstategop

Good to see that Rush is slowly but steadily becoming a real conservative. His brother David must be coaching him. :-)


76 posted on 10/25/2008 3:10:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a Suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
"If you’re not one of us, what the hell were you doing on our side, anyway?"

They never were on our side. They always were just Democrats that didn't want to run in a crowded primary, so they filed as Republicans. 2006 got rid of a ton of them. They didn't just "cross the aisle," they lived on the Dem's couch every day.

77 posted on 10/25/2008 3:15:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a Suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: Twinkie

Go ahead and vote McCain/Palin.

But, why pretend that a Feminist is conservative?

Who is left to fight for the Constitution and traditional values? Who is allowed to speak of it? Who even remembers?


78 posted on 10/25/2008 4:27:45 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: supercat

That’s socialism you’re talkin’.

Affirmative action forced on the states by big brother. Same as abortion, daycare, homosexuality, welfare, health care - all the things Feminists want when single mothers dump the fathers and need government help to raise their kids.


79 posted on 10/25/2008 4:39:47 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: screaminsunshine

Agree.


80 posted on 10/25/2008 4:41:34 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservatives are in an ideological, cultural/ class war with the Great Victim Entitlement Society)
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