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Obama Citizenship - Another Focus
from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise

There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama’s parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.

Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya.

Reports reflect that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.

Upon investigation into the alleged birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version, under the subject “Barack Obama,” states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version, under the subject “Queens Hospital,” states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.

Furthermore, the Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School, attached as EXHIBIT “1”, did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

More interesting in February 2008, Obama’s half-sister, Maya, was again interviewed in the Star Bulletin, attached as EXHIBIT “2”, and this time, Maya states Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children.

Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer published an article on June 9, 2008 stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen, attached as EXHIBIT “3”.

Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1966, when Obama was approximately five (5) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1967) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent. A further issue is presented that Obama’s Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, either signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son or Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, giving Obama natural Indonesia citizenship which explains the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

Obama admits in his book, “Dreams from my father” Obama’s memoir (autobiography), that after his mother and Lolo Soetoro were married, Lolo Soetoro left Hawaii rather suddenly and Obama and his mother spent months in preparation for their move to Indonesia. Obama admits when he arrived in Indonesia he had already been enrolled in an Indonesia school and his relatives were waiting to meet him and his mother. Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian State citizen, could not have enrolled Obama in school unless Lolo Soetoro signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son, which had to be filed with the Government. Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Obama, as an Indonesian State citizen.

Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 Law No. 12 of 2006 dated 1 Aug. 2006 concerning Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 Mar. 1992 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie) states in pertinent part, State citizens of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution 1945, As amended by the First Amendment of 1999, the Second Amendment of 2000, the Third Amendment of 2001 and the Fourth Amendment of 2002, Chapter X, Citizens and Residents, Article 26 states, “(1) Citizens shall consist of indigenous Indonesian peoples and persons of foreign origin who have been legalized [sic] as citizens in accordance with law. (2) Residents shall consist of Indonesian citizens and foreign nationals living in Indonesia.”

Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once adopted by an Indonesian citizen, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child, Indonesian Constitution, Article 2. The laws in Indonesia at the time of Obama’s arrival did not allow dual citizenship. If an Indonesian citizen married a foreigner, as in this case, Obama’s mother was required to renounce her U.S. citizenship and was sponsored by her Indonesian spouse. The public schools did not allow foreign students, only citizens were allowed to attend as Indonesia was under strict rule and decreed a number of restrictions; therefore, in order for Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, which he did, he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, as the citizenship status of enrolled students was verified with Government records.

Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration, attached as EXHIBIT “4”, in which it clearly states Obama’s name as “Barry Soetoro,” and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by television show Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record.

At the time Obama was registered the public schools * obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names of all family members.

Since Obama’s birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence attached hereto supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien. Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.

The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship. In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.

In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.

As a result of Obama’s Indonesia “natural” citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.

Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never Naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obama’s mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.

Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists--from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department's travel ban list for US Citizens.

Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1) Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record attached as Exhibit “4”.

Plaintiffs as well as many other democratic American citizens have requested proof of Obama’s citizenship status, however to no avail. Obama has promised to be an open and honest candidate, however, refuses to remove any doubts from Plaintiff’s and all the other democratic minds and prove his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

Source: from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Note: * I’ve added the following - Obama later transferred to secular elementary public school SDN Menteng 1.

TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 911families; antichrist; certifigate; ellenmariani; hawaii; kenya; leftwingnuts; makeitstop; mariani; obama; obamatruthfile; philberg; philipberg; philipjberg; soetoro; tinfoil
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I think that it may be most productive to focus on whether Obama lost his citizenship if indeed he ever had it.

The following is excerpted from Philip J. Berg's lawsuit and is worth discussion here:

1 posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: Fithal the Wise
I don't believe you can lose "natural born" status.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, he's all set.

2 posted on 10/24/2008 3:53:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered...the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph)
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To: Fithal the Wise
This is getting more and more legs...but I still doubt it will reach a point, before the elction, to halt the Obamanation.

We have to defeat him at the polls, and I believe we can.



3 posted on 10/24/2008 3:54:38 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (
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To: Fithal the Wise

Anyone whose mother’s first name was Stanley doesn’t deserve to be president.

4 posted on 10/24/2008 3:55:32 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Fithal the Wise

This deal may be a commucrat Trojan Horse. I do not think for a minute Obama can win.

5 posted on 10/24/2008 3:56:33 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: Fithal the Wise

Obama is a radical socialist — Stick with what we know.

6 posted on 10/24/2008 3:56:56 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: Jim Noble
Yes, you can lose US citizenship. It is explained very well in the "Obama Timeline"

Well worth the read.

7 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:25 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: Jim Noble

He could not be a dual citizen in USA and Indonesia. he lost his US citizenship when he became a citizen of Indonesia. At the time there was no dual citizenship with Indo and they may still be true today.

Some argued that a child cannot lose it but I think that is incorrect.

8 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:33 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Fithal the Wise

Apparently, Obama’s parents gave little thought to giving him any sort of coherent national heritage. In that respect, I feel sorry for him. His liberal friends taught him that the US Constitution was not important. Now he is facing a grim reality, in a number of ways.

9 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:46 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise
If Obama was born in the US, he is a natural born citizen. His parents can not take away his citizenship even thru adoption.

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

10 posted on 10/24/2008 3:58:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Fithal the Wise


11 posted on 10/24/2008 3:59:24 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Jeff Head

I guess the many needed truths about Obamao will never be clear
just because the lamestream media refuse to investigate.

Why is that? We know why it is.

They’re all Marxist lovers and the citizens
are at the Marxist lamestream media’s mercy.

12 posted on 10/24/2008 4:00:11 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (ACORN founder Wade Rathke, a Bill Ayers Weather Underground Associate)
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To: kabar

Recall that Obama’s mother worked at the US Embassy in Indonesia. her employers would have had full knowledge of Obama and his status. Maybe Obama obtained some kind of Ambassadorial waiver for being the child of an American Embassy employee.

13 posted on 10/24/2008 4:01:41 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Jeff Head

Berg related in the Micheal Savage interview that in a couple of days, was going to release the audio recording of Husseins grandmother (in Kenya) stating that she was there in the Kenyan delivery room when Hussein was born. Berg also stated that he was going to release affidavits from individuals confirming the account.

A “couple of days” would be around Sat or Sun.

We’ll see.

14 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:13 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: Frantzie
The US recognizes dual nationality. Indonesia did not. The result would be the loss of Indonesian citizenship, not US citizenship.
15 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Jim Noble

There is a two part test to be eligible to be present: You must be “natural born” and a “citizen.” Yes, if you are natural born you cannot obviously have that revoked. However, you can lose citizenship.

For example, if you are born in the U.S. but then renounce your citizenship, you are thus ineligible to be President. That is the issue with the Indonesia passport/adoption circumstances, not whether he was natural born.

16 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:42 PM PDT by mrs9x
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To: Fithal the Wise

When Obama was seen walking alone outside his grandmothers apartment in Hawaii it looked he was ver somber, it looked like he had just seen his dog run over sp to speak.

Myself I think what just happened in Hawaii is the breaker, he lost his chance at becoming president because he was never eligible to be nominated.

If I was in his sandals I would have preferred to have had lost my dog instead.

17 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:58 PM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Live from Wasilla, Alaska and saying NO to Barack HUSSEIN Obama)
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To: Jim Noble

I had a thought the other day, it doesn’t matter where he was born, just that he was the son of an American citizen. That is how the left and the courts are going to rule at this point. I would think that SCOTUS would rule that way in a 5-4 decision. It would be a minor change to immigration law and not to the Constitution.

18 posted on 10/24/2008 4:04:31 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

No wavier needed. And an Ambassador has no power to issue any kind of wavier in that regards. The rule of law prevails.

19 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Daniel Ramsey

I think Obama and the Democratic party will stand together. It will be a coverup to end all coverups.

20 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:08 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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