Skip to comments.Obama Citizenship - Another Focus
Posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
There appears to be no question that Defendant Obamas mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obamas parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.
Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.
Obamas grandmother on his fathers side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya.
Reports reflect that Obamas mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obamas birth. There are records of a registry of birth for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
Upon investigation into the alleged birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obamas birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version, under the subject Barack Obama, states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version, under the subject Queens Hospital, states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.
Furthermore, the Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School, attached as EXHIBIT 1, did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.
More interesting in February 2008, Obamas half-sister, Maya, was again interviewed in the Star Bulletin, attached as EXHIBIT 2, and this time, Maya states Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children.
Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer published an article on June 9, 2008 stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen, attached as EXHIBIT 3.
Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1966, when Obama was approximately five (5) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1967) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through application. Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent. A further issue is presented that Obamas Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, either signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son or Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, giving Obama natural Indonesia citizenship which explains the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
Obama admits in his book, Dreams from my father Obamas memoir (autobiography), that after his mother and Lolo Soetoro were married, Lolo Soetoro left Hawaii rather suddenly and Obama and his mother spent months in preparation for their move to Indonesia. Obama admits when he arrived in Indonesia he had already been enrolled in an Indonesia school and his relatives were waiting to meet him and his mother. Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian State citizen, could not have enrolled Obama in school unless Lolo Soetoro signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son, which had to be filed with the Government. Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Obama, as an Indonesian State citizen.
Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 Law No. 12 of 2006 dated 1 Aug. 2006 concerning Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 Mar. 1992 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie) states in pertinent part, State citizens of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution 1945, As amended by the First Amendment of 1999, the Second Amendment of 2000, the Third Amendment of 2001 and the Fourth Amendment of 2002, Chapter X, Citizens and Residents, Article 26 states, (1) Citizens shall consist of indigenous Indonesian peoples and persons of foreign origin who have been legalized [sic] as citizens in accordance with law. (2) Residents shall consist of Indonesian citizens and foreign nationals living in Indonesia.
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once adopted by an Indonesian citizen, the adoption severs the childs relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child, Indonesian Constitution, Article 2. The laws in Indonesia at the time of Obamas arrival did not allow dual citizenship. If an Indonesian citizen married a foreigner, as in this case, Obamas mother was required to renounce her U.S. citizenship and was sponsored by her Indonesian spouse. The public schools did not allow foreign students, only citizens were allowed to attend as Indonesia was under strict rule and decreed a number of restrictions; therefore, in order for Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, which he did, he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, as the citizenship status of enrolled students was verified with Government records.
Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration, attached as EXHIBIT 4, in which it clearly states Obamas name as Barry Soetoro, and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obamas father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obamas date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obamas Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by television show Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record.
At the time Obama was registered the public schools * obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names of all family members.
Since Obamas birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence attached hereto supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien. Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as Indonesian, in either and/or both cases Obamas name was required to be changed to the Indonesian fathers name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obamas name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship. In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.
In or about 1971, Obamas mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.
As a result of Obamas Indonesia natural citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. natural born status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.
Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never Naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obamas mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.
Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists--from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department's travel ban list for US Citizens.
Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obamas travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1) Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a natural citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obamas school record attached as Exhibit 4.
Plaintiffs as well as many other democratic American citizens have requested proof of Obamas citizenship status, however to no avail. Obama has promised to be an open and honest candidate, however, refuses to remove any doubts from Plaintiffs and all the other democratic minds and prove his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
Source: from Philip J. Berg lawsuit
Note: * Ive added the following - Obama later transferred to secular elementary public school SDN Menteng 1.
The following is excerpted from Philip J. Berg's lawsuit and is worth discussion here:
If Obama was born in Hawaii, he's all set.
We have to defeat him at the polls, and I believe we can.
Anyone whose mother’s first name was Stanley doesn’t deserve to be president.
This deal may be a commucrat Trojan Horse. I do not think for a minute Obama can win.
Obama is a radical socialist — Stick with what we know.
Well worth the read.
He could not be a dual citizen in USA and Indonesia. he lost his US citizenship when he became a citizen of Indonesia. At the time there was no dual citizenship with Indo and they may still be true today.
Some argued that a child cannot lose it but I think that is incorrect.
Apparently, Obama’s parents gave little thought to giving him any sort of coherent national heritage. In that respect, I feel sorry for him. His liberal friends taught him that the US Constitution was not important. Now he is facing a grim reality, in a number of ways.
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
I guess the many needed truths about Obamao will never be clear
just because the lamestream media refuse to investigate.
Why is that? We know why it is.
They’re all Marxist lovers and the citizens
are at the Marxist lamestream media’s mercy.
Recall that Obama’s mother worked at the US Embassy in Indonesia. her employers would have had full knowledge of Obama and his status. Maybe Obama obtained some kind of Ambassadorial waiver for being the child of an American Embassy employee.
Berg related in the Micheal Savage interview that in a couple of days, was going to release the audio recording of Husseins grandmother (in Kenya) stating that she was there in the Kenyan delivery room when Hussein was born. Berg also stated that he was going to release affidavits from individuals confirming the account.
A “couple of days” would be around Sat or Sun.
There is a two part test to be eligible to be present: You must be “natural born” and a “citizen.” Yes, if you are natural born you cannot obviously have that revoked. However, you can lose citizenship.
For example, if you are born in the U.S. but then renounce your citizenship, you are thus ineligible to be President. That is the issue with the Indonesia passport/adoption circumstances, not whether he was natural born.
When Obama was seen walking alone outside his grandmothers apartment in Hawaii it looked he was ver somber, it looked like he had just seen his dog run over sp to speak.
Myself I think what just happened in Hawaii is the breaker, he lost his chance at becoming president because he was never eligible to be nominated.
If I was in his sandals I would have preferred to have had lost my dog instead.
I had a thought the other day, it doesn’t matter where he was born, just that he was the son of an American citizen. That is how the left and the courts are going to rule at this point. I would think that SCOTUS would rule that way in a 5-4 decision. It would be a minor change to immigration law and not to the Constitution.
No wavier needed. And an Ambassador has no power to issue any kind of wavier in that regards. The rule of law prevails.
I think Obama and the Democratic party will stand together. It will be a coverup to end all coverups.
Phillip Berg was on Michael Savage yesterday and it should be noted that he is a lifelong Democrat and a former Pennsylvania State Deputy Attorney General.
I believe legally it will be too late...but it may well be soon enough to make a difference with voters if it gts out.
This is just noise.
No judge in his right mind,(granting that more than a few are definately of unsound mind and judgement), would or should touch this less than two weeks before the election.
It may well have legal standing and it may well be that zero does not have the legitimate right to stand for president,
Do you really want to throw gasoline on a fire?
Obama was a minor and was he Indonesia between the ages of 6 to 10. There is no way he could renounce his citizenship.
If I was his advisor, I would tell him to for go it and stay in the race. I doubt anyone other than SCOTUS is going to stop him at this point.
Working in the Embassy, having access to stationary, do you think Ann Dunham could have a forged a citizenship renunciation document to fool the Indonesian school?
I think that the other certification issue is with his law license in Illinois. What questions on that application did he answer honestly? It seems doubtful that he would have answered some of the questions honestly without his application being examined further than most applications would be.
I agree that will probably be the case. Watch a huge team of lawyers to be waiting in the wings Jan 6th, 2009.
You can, but not as a minor. Nor can your parents sign away your citizenship on your behalf. You have appear in front of a US consular officer as an adult and swear that you intend to renounce your citizenship.
Can you also be born on foriegn soil to a US citizen to qualify as "natural born ?
I agree Jeff. I think that the early release of information would only serve to spook the middle “20” away from Hussein.
I would prefer to have the election go to McCain. There would therefore be no Constitutional crisis. Then, this issue can be resolved legally. If Hussein is what I think he is, he will be striped of his Senate seat and put on the next cattle boat to Indoeasia.
A very plausible theory in there.
Not if he lost his citizenship. The requirement is that you have to be NOW, not have been at some time, a natural born citizen.
I am not saying he isn't, don't misunderstand, I am just commenting on your point...
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child. .
Unless the mother of all wag the dogs intercedes (per Biden) and the country is in desperate need of "an undistracted leader" who was chosen and loved by the People.
I am bookmarking this for every time someone says “Barack’s mother was a US Citizen. Case closed” or something similiar.
I also want to know if there were segregated hospitals in Hawaii in 1961. It would seem someone would remember a white woman in the “black” maternity ward.
I just don’t know how Hawaii handled that back then.
How would Obama have “lost” his citizenship?
marking for later
Yes, from the Obama Timeline:
After returning to Hawaii and upon turning age 18, Obama could possibly have given up his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, with the proper paperwork filed through the U.S. State Department and by swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States. It is believed that Obama did not do so. [258,300,301]
If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, he remains an Indonesian citizen, and has not been a U.S. citizen since moving to Indonesia in 1966 or 1967. Thus, he is ineligible to be President of the United States. (He is also ineligible to be a United States Senator.) Obamas repeated failure to provide documentation to prove he is a U.S. citizen suggests it does not exist, and he is therefore possibly perpetrating a colossal fraud on the 300 million citizens of the United States. Obama may, in fact, be an illegal resident alien, subject to expulsion from the United States Senate, arrest, and deportation to Indonesia. [258,300]
His mom did kind-of look like a jackal.
How should I know? I did not claim he lost it, please re-read my post.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
If he wins, and there is evidence he isn't natural born, the challenge would take place in the House, when the electoral votes are officially counted. You know they'll uphold their oath to protect the Constitution, don't you? Well, don't you?
But but but what happened ...?
See post 35 - introducing a new father: Frank Marshall Davis - not Obama’s current father of Kenyan citizenship.
This is getting tiresome, but the lack of response from the Obama Lawyers adds fuel to the fire.
Yes, if he was born in Hawaii then for 99% of America he is qualified citizen-wise, whatever the technicalities. If he was born in Kenya, then it gets more complicated. Of course, he isn’t qualified in terms of experience.
Why is it uncertain which hospital he claims he was born in? Just ask him. Also, this guy has other names, right?
And the name Hussein, no one is allowed to speak it, why?
Kind of creepy.
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