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Obama Citizenship - Another Focus
from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise

There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama’s parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.

Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya.

Reports reflect that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.

Upon investigation into the alleged birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version, under the subject “Barack Obama,” states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version, under the subject “Queens Hospital,” states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.

Furthermore, the Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School, attached as EXHIBIT “1”, did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

More interesting in February 2008, Obama’s half-sister, Maya, was again interviewed in the Star Bulletin, attached as EXHIBIT “2”, and this time, Maya states Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children.

Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer published an article on June 9, 2008 stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen, attached as EXHIBIT “3”.

Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1966, when Obama was approximately five (5) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1967) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent. A further issue is presented that Obama’s Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, either signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son or Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, giving Obama natural Indonesia citizenship which explains the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

Obama admits in his book, “Dreams from my father” Obama’s memoir (autobiography), that after his mother and Lolo Soetoro were married, Lolo Soetoro left Hawaii rather suddenly and Obama and his mother spent months in preparation for their move to Indonesia. Obama admits when he arrived in Indonesia he had already been enrolled in an Indonesia school and his relatives were waiting to meet him and his mother. Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian State citizen, could not have enrolled Obama in school unless Lolo Soetoro signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son, which had to be filed with the Government. Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Obama, as an Indonesian State citizen.

Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 Law No. 12 of 2006 dated 1 Aug. 2006 concerning Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 Mar. 1992 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie) states in pertinent part, State citizens of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution 1945, As amended by the First Amendment of 1999, the Second Amendment of 2000, the Third Amendment of 2001 and the Fourth Amendment of 2002, Chapter X, Citizens and Residents, Article 26 states, “(1) Citizens shall consist of indigenous Indonesian peoples and persons of foreign origin who have been legalized [sic] as citizens in accordance with law. (2) Residents shall consist of Indonesian citizens and foreign nationals living in Indonesia.”

Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once adopted by an Indonesian citizen, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child, Indonesian Constitution, Article 2. The laws in Indonesia at the time of Obama’s arrival did not allow dual citizenship. If an Indonesian citizen married a foreigner, as in this case, Obama’s mother was required to renounce her U.S. citizenship and was sponsored by her Indonesian spouse. The public schools did not allow foreign students, only citizens were allowed to attend as Indonesia was under strict rule and decreed a number of restrictions; therefore, in order for Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, which he did, he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, as the citizenship status of enrolled students was verified with Government records.

Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration, attached as EXHIBIT “4”, in which it clearly states Obama’s name as “Barry Soetoro,” and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by television show Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record.

At the time Obama was registered the public schools * obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names of all family members.

Since Obama’s birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence attached hereto supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien. Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.

The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship. In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.

In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.

As a result of Obama’s Indonesia “natural” citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.

Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never Naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obama’s mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.

Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists--from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department's travel ban list for US Citizens.

Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1) Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record attached as Exhibit “4”.

Plaintiffs as well as many other democratic American citizens have requested proof of Obama’s citizenship status, however to no avail. Obama has promised to be an open and honest candidate, however, refuses to remove any doubts from Plaintiff’s and all the other democratic minds and prove his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

Source: from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Note: * I’ve added the following - Obama later transferred to secular elementary public school SDN Menteng 1.

TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 911families; antichrist; certifigate; ellenmariani; hawaii; kenya; leftwingnuts; makeitstop; mariani; obama; obamatruthfile; philberg; philipberg; philipjberg; soetoro; tinfoil
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To: Churchillspirit

Yes, from the Obama Timeline:

After returning to Hawaii and upon turning age 18, Obama could possibly have given up his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, with the proper paperwork filed through the U.S. State Department and by swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States. It is believed that Obama did not do so. [258,300,301]

If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, he remains an Indonesian citizen, and has not been a U.S. citizen since moving to Indonesia in 1966 or 1967. Thus, he is ineligible to be President of the United States. (He is also ineligible to be a United States Senator.) Obama’s repeated failure to provide documentation to prove he is a U.S. citizen suggests it does not exist, and he is therefore possibly perpetrating a colossal fraud on the 300 million citizens of the United States. Obama may, in fact, be an illegal resident alien, subject to expulsion from the United States Senate, arrest, and deportation to Indonesia. [258,300]

41 posted on 10/24/2008 4:16:30 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: Joe 6-pack

His mom did kind-of look like a jackal.

42 posted on 10/24/2008 4:16:59 PM PDT by conservative cat (I am voting for Sarah and against Obama.)
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To: kabar
How would Obama have “lost” his citizenship?

How should I know? I did not claim he lost it, please re-read my post.

43 posted on 10/24/2008 4:17:38 PM PDT by mwilli20 ("I also have a bracelet?" Let's make Sen. Government an "also ran"!)
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To: Fithal the Wise
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

44 posted on 10/24/2008 4:19:47 PM PDT by explodingspleen
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To: ClayinVA
I doubt anyone other than SCOTUS is going to stop him at this point.

If he wins, and there is evidence he isn't natural born, the challenge would take place in the House, when the electoral votes are officially counted. You know they'll uphold their oath to protect the Constitution, don't you? Well, don't you?

45 posted on 10/24/2008 4:22:05 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: conservative cat
Excpet that Damien had spent more time in uniform before his 12th birthday than Obama has in his entire life...

46 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:04 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: All

But but but what happened ...?

See post 35 - introducing a new father: Frank Marshall Davis - not Obama’s current father of Kenyan citizenship.

47 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:43 PM PDT by imintrouble
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To: All

This is getting tiresome, but the lack of response from the Obama Lawyers adds fuel to the fire.

48 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:49 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: kabar

Yes, if he was born in Hawaii then for 99% of America he is qualified citizen-wise, whatever the technicalities. If he was born in Kenya, then it gets more complicated. Of course, he isn’t qualified in terms of experience.

49 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:50 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Fithal the Wise
Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.

Why is it uncertain which hospital he claims he was born in? Just ask him. Also, this guy has other names, right?

And the name Hussein, no one is allowed to speak it, why?

Kind of creepy.

50 posted on 10/24/2008 4:25:34 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Jim Noble

Sure you can.
Just go down to a US Consulate and tell them that you’re there to renounce your US Citizenship. They’ll guide you through the whole process.

51 posted on 10/24/2008 4:26:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Fithal the Wise

We are looking at only Obama. Assume that his Party is complicit. Look at the power they have wielded in the last two months, over the strong objection of many citizens. If there is a coverup of Obama’s information by the Democrats, it means that to protect themselves the Democrats must essentially be prepared to enact a bloodless coup d’état.

52 posted on 10/24/2008 4:26:25 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: kabar
But would not that require proof of Birth to a US mother ?

she could have been from france for all we know

Birth cert ?

. or DNA test ?

53 posted on 10/24/2008 4:26:46 PM PDT by KTM rider (It's the supreme court appointments stupid)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Why is it uncertain which hospital he claims he was born in? Just ask him.

It's in his book.

54 posted on 10/24/2008 4:27:29 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise

I think I read where Berg came out today and said he had a recording of Obamah’s grandmother in Kenya saying little Barack was born there.

55 posted on 10/24/2008 4:29:02 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: kabar
"The US recognizes dual nationality. Indonesia did not. The result would be the loss of Indonesian citizenship, not US citizenship. "

You have that incorrect, since Indonesia would require renouncing the US citizenship to quailify for school in Indonesia, so his school documents in Indonesia reflect solely Indonesian citizenship, again, they did't allow for dual. It does not matter that US did allow dual, that is NOT where he was.
56 posted on 10/24/2008 4:29:23 PM PDT by wubjo (nO Terrorists; nO Tyranny; nObama)
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To: cynwoody
there is evidence he isn't natural born,

does the Jan 6th, 2009 proceeding allow for a period of discovery, search for documents?

57 posted on 10/24/2008 4:29:42 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: mwilli20

I read it. I don’t get it. If he is a natural born citizen, he must formally renounce his citizenship before an official of the US. He is NOW A US CITIZEN travelling on a US passport. You will have to be a little clearer in what you mean.

58 posted on 10/24/2008 4:30:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald
Hospitals normally do a very good job of keeping records. They did a good job of keeping records when I was born (1950) and when my parents were born.

Certainly, this can can be cleared up legitimately without the Democrats referring to "those conspiracy theorists".

59 posted on 10/24/2008 4:30:54 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: kabar

A parent can’t take status away. But Obama, by traveling on an Indonesian passport at the age of 20, would have had to renounce his US citizenship. Obama made that choice, not his mom.
Also, I think he was enrolled at Occidental as a foreign student. I know I would have been a little overwhelmed to have arrived at college and have 2 foreign roomates. Sounds like Occidental roomed foreign students together. Wonder if anyone could find someone who was enrolled as a foreign student there and ask.

60 posted on 10/24/2008 4:31:23 PM PDT by gulf1609
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