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I Have Lost a Friend Over the Election

Posted on 10/29/2008 2:12:34 PM PDT by libertarian9

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To: libertarian9

Several yars ago a good friend of mine and I were talking about the election at the time, I think Gore/Bush. He objected to Rush Limbaugh and talk radio and I asked him innocently and a little bit mischieviously “Would you make it illegal to speak on conservative beliefs?”

He paused. He paused for Pete’s sake! And then said no. He lied to me and I haven’t spoken to him since.

He is a socialist with all the fascist trimmings.


101 posted on 10/29/2008 2:27:25 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: 4rcane

I lost a friend of 14 years (he is black, I am white) when he said (3 months ago) that “America deserved the Twin Towers to be hit”. I said “do you mean that those 3,000 people deserved to die?” and he said “Yes!”, and went into a rant about how horrible America is. I could not believe my ears!

I have refused to speak to him sense.


102 posted on 10/29/2008 2:27:25 PM PDT by PWDirector (Brown Water Navy, Mekong Delta, 1970 & 1971 -The MSM and the Libs caused 3.5 million needless deaths)
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To: libertarian9
My country is more important than any friend.
103 posted on 10/29/2008 2:28:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: libertarian9
You can always pick up more "friends" of exactly his caliber by making sure to have a bowl of cocaine in your living room at all times.

And to be grotesquely honest, do you *really* want someone hanging around who is *at least* one following?

1) A gullible moron
2) A crypto-facist
3) A secret communist
4) A neuro-linguistic programmee
5) An Afro-Lenninist

104 posted on 10/29/2008 2:28:09 PM PDT by Infidel Puppy
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To: libertarian9

a friend will respect your views and beliefs

did this person, nope

so therefore??????????????????????????????????????

Every liberal wants to impose their view, get in your face, never listens AT ALL.
I have found them the most intolerant lot I have ever met in my life.Have a different view then that is it for them.
They sort of remind me of a spoilt child

My wife is from MA but I got her out of that state.

we went back to visit her mother and decided to go out for a few drinks.
Anyway we bumper into a friend of hers, supposed friend I MIGHT ADD.

Anyway coming out that night from the bar this woman see’s my wife’s bumper sticker saying marriage =man and a woman

this woman said that she was bigoted , how could she have this sticker, OMG about 20 times

Needless to say the politics comes up and my wife realised just how radical this woman was with a few drinks in her when discussing politics.

Was funny though looking at this woman’s face when my wife said that tolerance goes both ways and that those who shout tolerance are the most intolerant.


105 posted on 10/29/2008 2:28:33 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: MarkeyD
You’re too new here to be posting vanities.

Bah.

It's a good vanity.

106 posted on 10/29/2008 2:28:55 PM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: libertarian9; weegee

I think I still remember the tune of the Soviet National Anthem (not the words, though), so my transition to the New Shining Future oughta be a painless piece of cake!


107 posted on 10/29/2008 2:29:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: libertarian9
Better dead than Red......my friend.

I want opportunity for my Boys in a Free Country

Your friend has misplaced his loyalty......

Welcome home to Free Republic.......

108 posted on 10/29/2008 2:30:15 PM PDT by thingumbob ("Use your brain........vote McCain!" (Remember, dead terrorists don't make more terrorists!))
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To: libertarian9

I have Democrat friends who are terrified of an Obama presidency.


109 posted on 10/29/2008 2:30:22 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: libertarian9

I haven’t lost any friends over this election but a couple of years ago a long time friend started sending me political stuff I disagreed with. Rather than argue with her about it, I asked her to please stop. She didn’t so I asked her again. She got really angry with me and ended our friendship. Sad, but then again, what kind of person does that?


110 posted on 10/29/2008 2:30:22 PM PDT by brytlea (Change is like weather--it's not all good.)
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To: libertarian9

There are times when you’ll have friends and family who disagree politically. When you do, there isn’t much you can do about it. Be cordial, answer questions when they are asked, and remain friends.

Better to have them know a person they respect who is a Conservative, than a person they loathe who is one.

You are not obligated to evangelize them. Be their friend. I have had this problem with a family member. I had to back off. So what I did was start looking for openings.

When they complained about how much the government took out of their check, I agreed. I said something like, “I don’t like redistribution of wealth either.”

If they talk about some leftist thing that is forced on their kid at school, agree. Say something like, “I think parents should be the gatekeepers concerning what their children are exposed to.”

If they voice disagreement about socialist polices, agree. Tell them you don’t like Marxism either.

If they respond by asking what you mean by that, just explain as best you can what sound policy is. You don’t have to tell them it’s Conservative/Republican policy. They’ll know.

Small steps.

My family member doesn’t know it, but they have expressed some very sound Conservative concepts this election cycle. When they did, I agreed and reinforced the points that are core to Conservatism, without ever mentioning Conservatism, Republicans, or the right.


111 posted on 10/29/2008 2:30:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If The One were running with an (R), imagine how the press would cut him to ribbons...)
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To: TChris

Where is that old FreeRepublic when vanities were frowned upon?


112 posted on 10/29/2008 2:30:47 PM PDT by MarkeyD (THE DEMOCRATS LIED, THE ECONOMY DIED.)
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To: TChris

Look at the hits we gave the vanity too - it was a topic we all have experienced in some way or another.

Glad to air out things like that here - too many hurt feelings in this election - I find this place a refuge where I can relax and enjoy what people write and think.


113 posted on 10/29/2008 2:30:49 PM PDT by imintrouble
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To: libertarian9

Me too. But glad the tru colors came out.


114 posted on 10/29/2008 2:31:03 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: libertarian9

Youre not alone. My own sister called me a Jackboot. I’ve filed her under moonbat who I rarely speak to anymore.


115 posted on 10/29/2008 2:31:44 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (Hope in one hand and Change in the other. Which hand gets dirty first?)
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To: libertarian9

Consider yourself fortunate. A friend does not make demands on a friendship.


116 posted on 10/29/2008 2:31:47 PM PDT by billhilly (I was republican when republican wasn't cool. (With an apology to Barbara Mandrell.))
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To: davek70

This false messiah, Obama, while pretending to unite, he is really attempting to divide and cause a race and class war. The more “civil unrest” that he can cause, the more violence that may result and the more power he can seize. Our adult child is a liberal. I don’t know whether or not he is drinking the Obama Kool-Aid, but it appears so. He does not discuss politics with us, and I think he regards us as just unsophisticated, not very well educated yokels. Anything we have sent him on Obama, he refutes it with some retraction or something.

I am SO sick of this common jerk, Obama, and the strange hold he has taken on a lot of people. He is a Marxist and dangerous, and I pray that a lot of people wake up and smell the coffee before the election.


117 posted on 10/29/2008 2:31:55 PM PDT by Twinkie (PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTION !!!)
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To: Blogger

Blogger..You got it!


118 posted on 10/29/2008 2:32:03 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: libertarian9

From now on all my friends are gonna be strangers. I’m all through ever trusting anyone. The only thing I can count on now is my fingers. I was a fool believing in you and now you are gone.


119 posted on 10/29/2008 2:32:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: libertarian9

Never, I don’t associate with or do work for anyone that is one bit short of die hard conservative and tell the others to go to hell!


120 posted on 10/29/2008 2:32:31 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: libertarian9

I have lost several people because they were closet communists. I always knew that had some leanings but they crossed the line between someone with opinions that might be wrong to unapologetic communists.


121 posted on 10/29/2008 2:33:09 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Clemenza
Try DATING in an overwhelmingly liberal area!

Lib chicks are easy. Just say some crap about saving the whales, about how you think Bono should become Secretary General, and BAM! you've got them in the sack.

122 posted on 10/29/2008 2:33:55 PM PDT by HammerOfTheDogs
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To: americanophile
On the positive side, I turned one vote for Chuck Baldwin (who?) and 1 vote for Bob Barr in to votes for McCain/Palin.

All you have to do is start talking about nationalizing their 401k or other savings and they get nervous. I told them to read about the Argentina Plan to nationalize private pensions. I asked them if they can do the former how long will it be till they do the latter.

123 posted on 10/29/2008 2:34:02 PM PDT by kempster
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To: normy
I will freaking disown family members over this election if I find out they vote for the 0bamanation. I am done assuming people who vote for Commies are stupid or uninformed.

I thought about it, but am trying to exercise restraint because it seems petty.

I'm probably going to lose most of my family anyway over other things, am resigned to it, almost welcome it to be free of the conflict. Several of them are always bugging me for money, and I'm sick of it, not that I mind helping sometimes.

Only one have I possibly alienated through my own opinions and ways, hoped it would never come to that but am to the point where I don't care any more.

124 posted on 10/29/2008 2:34:06 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Son-Joshua

They ARE only open minded if you agree. Thanks never thought of it that way.


125 posted on 10/29/2008 2:34:11 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: PWDirector
I lost a friend of 14 years (he is black, I am white)

Is he blind as a bat and do you have sight?

126 posted on 10/29/2008 2:34:13 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: libertarian9

You had less than you thought.


127 posted on 10/29/2008 2:34:20 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: libertarian9

Your friend said you were not the person they thought you were all these years.

These people are narcissists and they define reality by what THEY think it is. There was no “you” only the you that the “friend” constructed apparently and this construct means more to him or her than the real and actual live you, standing right there in the flesh. Mostly they want someone to agree with them. Their arguments won’t withstand even a little bit of scrutiny and they have no choice but to leave you behind or else admit they can’t defend their ideas logically.

I am having a raging battle with many “friends”. It isn’t pretty but I can’t give away the reasoned thoughts of my mind in order to simply have someone’s acceptance. My nephew actually claims to see into people’s souls and then he judges them as worthy or not. Such hubris is almost breath-taking. I have never “seen into someone’s soul”.

They are narrow-minded, judgemental, intolerant. They are all the things that they accuse the “religious right” of being. Your rational arguments start to make this clear to them and it is more than they can bear - they can’t look into this mirror.

Celebrate. You have stood up for reality and paid a price for it. Good for you. There are better associations to be had. If the price of frienship is to be a sheep then the price is way too high.


128 posted on 10/29/2008 2:34:20 PM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: Clemenza
"they just view me as some eccentric, gun-owning curmudgeon"
Isn't that cute. What do you think the effect on them would be if they viewed you as a person of character who was so repulsed by their embrace of evil that you separate yourself from them?

Nice social circle. Ayres ever show up?


129 posted on 10/29/2008 2:35:04 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: libertarian9

Anyone else having similar experiences over the election?
______________________________
I’d be safe in saying that you’re better off without a friend like that. I have a number of friends who are for Obama and we remain friends and respect that we all have differences in opinions and political beliefs. Some of those friends have spouses who think differently and they remain together. Your friend sounds like a person who has some serious personality issues. I’m sure it’s better for you to stay at arms length.


130 posted on 10/29/2008 2:35:04 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Califreak

I unfortunately suspect I am about to lose a client I have had because of my political position. Most of the people that use his services are professionals who have 401(K)’s. I sent him a copy of the article about Democrats wanting to end this tax shelter which means his clients will have less money to pay for his services. He went ballistic and said I was lying about the Democrat position on this. He is Jewish and doesn’t agree with my position that Israel must be protected at all costs. He extremely bright son isn’t going to college on the east coast (dad’s alma mater area)because he has started a very profitable business and I sided with the son. The Good Lord sent him to me the first time and if I lose him, I have to trust that God will send me another one who is even better.


131 posted on 10/29/2008 2:35:27 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: prolifefirst
We should be a meritocracy that doesn't look to seniority as a substitute for quality. Nice post!

Much better said than my response. :-)

132 posted on 10/29/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: Clemenza
Try DATING in an overwhelmingly liberal area!

Lib chicks are easier, so long as the subject of politics is not on the table.

133 posted on 10/29/2008 2:35:56 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: libertarian9

One of my closest friends is a Democrat thru and thru. She does not hold my views against me and she does not try to influence mine. She goes to my church and does lots of volunteer work for the church. She is not like your typical mean spirited libs. She was orphaned at a young age and was raised by her aunt who worked for the SS admin and she received SS to go to college. I am sure that is why she is a Dem.


134 posted on 10/29/2008 2:36:19 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: MarkeyD
He's had his chance to respond, he's a fraud and a troll but the thread is ok because it obviously affects a lot of people. Good call though.
135 posted on 10/29/2008 2:36:37 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: libertarian9

Happened to me when my wife disagrred with my friend’s wife over Obama’s wonderfullness back during the primaries. Have gotten a return e-mail or phone call since.


136 posted on 10/29/2008 2:36:42 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: imfrmdixie

here here

I have none who are voting for obama, saying that I only know one man and I think he’s an idiot.

always drinking and then shouting war for oil, Clinton lied no one died

course I went for the bait at first and used facts of which liberals don’t like.
point out people did die, point out that you said clinton never lied before he got caught, points out loads of facts and he just screams like a girl louder then walks home like a spoilt child.

Course he won’t go mad at me and try it on with me , no like the typical girlie liberal man he goes home , gets drunk and starts on his wife.


137 posted on 10/29/2008 2:37:01 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: libertarian9

My best friend is a democrat because of her mom and aunt (mom’s sister) are union reps. They are yellow dog dems and voted for Obama in Florida already. And I was kind of mad at her, because she is really conservative in her views, but doesn’t connect it to the Republican party.
She doesn’t know CRAP about the issues, she just votes Dem every four years automatically.
UGH!


138 posted on 10/29/2008 2:37:47 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Grams A

Somebody else will come along.


139 posted on 10/29/2008 2:37:53 PM PDT by Califreak (Hope -n- Che'nge is the battle cry of the zombies.)
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To: libertarian9

I have a friend for 25 years she is voting for Obama and it kills me because I own small buisness. I have kept my mouth shut because I don’t want to lose this friend that I dearly a adore. I have kept my opinions to myself unless I share it with my hubby who is voting McCain/Palin!!!

(NoCoGOP’s wife message)


140 posted on 10/29/2008 2:37:53 PM PDT by NorCoGOP ((borrowed from another Freeper) "They have Obama...we have Oh! MAMA!")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I have Democrat friends who are terrified of an Obama presidency.

I can beat that. I have an uber-fiscally conservative friend who's a flaming social liberal and is voting for Obama. I think it's Bush Derangement Syndrome or something.

141 posted on 10/29/2008 2:37:53 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: libertarian9

If that’s how this friend thinks of you then you have lost nothing. Forget the friend and go on with your life.


142 posted on 10/29/2008 2:38:11 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Clemenza

Yep. It can be lonely out there. The love and tolerance they are so fond of do not extend to family members or life long friends who disagree politically. And it does feel like you are “coming out” when you make the tiniest little ripple from the right.


143 posted on 10/29/2008 2:38:32 PM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: libertarian9

((hug)) Sorry.


144 posted on 10/29/2008 2:38:40 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: libertarian9
I have one friend that should know better who I believe will vote for Obama. He is still my friend, of course, and, should Obama win, I suspect that he'll learn the error of his ways quickly. But I'm not going to disown him as a friend over this, though I wish he would think this through a little better.
145 posted on 10/29/2008 2:38:53 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Wondering when "The Generation That Won't Shut Up" will do so.)
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To: libertarian9

If Obama wins, he will tell you you were right within 2 years, and renew the friendship. If McCain wins, info about Obama that comes out after the election may prove you right. Messiahs have a tendency to lose their hypnotic effect after they have lost an election. Either way, you can’t worry about a friend who is so shallow.


146 posted on 10/29/2008 2:39:06 PM PDT by Defiant (NY Times carried the world's commies on its back but then...... Ad-Less Shrugged)
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To: TChris
It's a good vanity.

Good vanities include the thread poster sticking around to respond to the subsequent posts. He has four posts in the two weeks he's been here, and three of them are vanities. I smell troll.

147 posted on 10/29/2008 2:39:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: libertarian9

My friends all support McCain/Palin. I wouldn’t associate with anyone that supports obama.


148 posted on 10/29/2008 2:39:36 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: AuntB
Not this election. I lost all mine years ago, including some relatives. As I get older I chose not to waste my life on people who stand for nothing, which is usually liberals.

And no, I don’t miss them one bit.

Ditto that, including my own sister and her children. They were all infected with Bush hatred. Every time I looked at my niece all I could think of was that she had had 3 abortions by the time she was nineteen. At the same time they were all a bunch of PETA whackos. There were other factors as well, but politics did pay a large part in my estrangement from them.

149 posted on 10/29/2008 2:39:57 PM PDT by jim35 (A racist is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: crymeariver
...a gay neighbor spit a mouthful of vodka on me.

Does alcohol kill the AIDS virus?

150 posted on 10/29/2008 2:39:57 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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