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Electoral Math: For McCain, the Numbers Aren't Adding Up
Yahoo!/Time ^ | November 3, 2008 | MARK HALPERIN

Posted on 11/03/2008 5:25:21 AM PST by conservativeinbflo.

Barring an extraordinary shock, Barack Obama will win more than 270 electoral votes on Tuesday, giving him the White House. Hours before voting starts, John McCain has no clear path to reaching that same goal. In fact, based on interviews with political strategists in both parties, election analysts and advisers to both presidential campaigns - including a detailed look at public and private polling data - an Obama victory with well over 300 electoral votes is a more likely outcome than a McCain victory. Under the Electoral College system, a candidate wins all of a state's electoral votes as long as he or she achieves a popular vote victory of any margin. Obama's commanding position results from the fact that he holds seemingly impregnable popular vote leads in twenty-four states, plus the District of Columbia, with 291 electoral votes, more than he needs to win. Obama's geographic anchors are the northeast, the mid-Atlantic, the upper industrial Midwest and the west coast, all areas that Democratic presidential candidates have dominated for several election cycles. But he is encroaching on other states as well that have recently been gone dependably Republican, including Nevada, Virginia and Colorado.

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Just LOOK at the title of this article. I'm ready to heave something through my computer monitor. I haven't had my coffee yet and this is what I wake up to? I am SO sick and tired of the MSM manipulating us. I swear they're hoping some sort of mind trance will convince us all that Obama is the antidote to all of our ailments.

NOTHING in the world will coerce me into voting for this hypocritical, empty suit who is nothing more than rhetoric and platitudes. I SOOO hope all of these bozos get egg on their face tomorrow.

1 posted on 11/03/2008 5:25:21 AM PST by conservativeinbflo.
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To: conservativeinbflo.

2 posted on 11/03/2008 5:27:17 AM PST by tomymind
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Why do we post this BS?


3 posted on 11/03/2008 5:27:20 AM PST by Perdogg (Raila Amollo Odinga - community organizer)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

McCain - my prediction 304 Electoral votes


4 posted on 11/03/2008 5:27:31 AM PST by lacrew (Let Biden be Biden!)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

It’s meant to demoralize McCain supporters. It’s meant to make people stay at home since McCain does not stand a chance. You can’t let it get to you! Prove them wrong by voting tomorrow! Have to go to work, but stay strong! :)


5 posted on 11/03/2008 5:27:42 AM PST by Phoenix11
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To: conservativeinbflo.
The Coal Issue just made the elction a whole lot better.

Even so there is a clear path to a victory.

6 posted on 11/03/2008 5:28:20 AM PST by scooby321 (Cai)
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To: conservativeinbflo.
The only "math" that matters is the math based on the ultimate "poll" they are going to take tomorrow, Tuesday, November 4th, 2008.

We'll see what that poll, and what that math has to say.







MEET THE PEOPLE WHO WILL DEFEAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

7 posted on 11/03/2008 5:28:56 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: conservativeinbflo.
sorry but a "BARF ALERT!" was required with this post.


8 posted on 11/03/2008 5:29:18 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

The press has gone overboard with their obama propaganda efforts, that’s for sure. It’s ridiculous to print such stuff when the race is so even in so many states. Add on top of that the overweighting of dems, and yes, it’s going to be a shocker when McCain/Palin win.


9 posted on 11/03/2008 5:29:18 AM PST by Proudcongal (POW/WOW '08)
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To: conservativeinbflo.
It's true, the numbers aren't adding up... they're called POLLS.

After this election, I can never look at another one in the same way I used to.

10 posted on 11/03/2008 5:30:25 AM PST by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: lacrew

Bush ‘04 states plus PA, MN, WI, and NH = 331 electors.


11 posted on 11/03/2008 5:30:30 AM PST by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: Proudcongal
Add on top of that the overweighting of dems, and yes, it’s going to be a shocker when McCain/Palin win.

The pollsters are too smart for themselves. There lies, damned lies and statistics.

12 posted on 11/03/2008 5:31:34 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

So kool-aid drinking Obamabots need to be bothered by wasting their time at the polls tomorrow. Afterall, ‘everyone’ that knows anything has already written McCain off...

hahaha.. beware the broken glass conservative supercharged with PUMA power... hahahah


13 posted on 11/03/2008 5:32:08 AM PST by conservative_guyz
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Cheers, that would be the sweetest if we get to see everybody eat crow. In a way we have already won...we know we have the moral high ground, we have Sarah no matter what happens and if Obama does win we won’t be that shocked given every news report for the last 5 months. On the other if (when) McCain wins, it will be complete euphoria for us and the complete and total destruction of the other side.


14 posted on 11/03/2008 5:32:18 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Why post something that none of us believe because the polls are so skewed? For what purpose?


15 posted on 11/03/2008 5:32:18 AM PST by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

I saw this article on Yahoo this morning, as well. The title should have a BARF Alert. It made me want to throw up!

I am also sick and tired of the MSM manipulating us and being in the tank for the Obamanation. They want us to think that Obama will win in a landslide.

I think the opposite will happen! I think that we will win this election and the media will be so embarrassed and look like total idiots! They will be 100% humiliated! And, honestly, they deserve every bit of it!

The MSM has been so biased and so slanted that it’s beyond unfair.


16 posted on 11/03/2008 5:32:56 AM PST by wk4bush2004 (Let the sound of intercession meet Your ears......)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Why do you post this crap????


17 posted on 11/03/2008 5:33:37 AM PST by norcal joe
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To: conservativeinbflo.

just a caviat, don’t forget we were saying the same about dole polls.

Of course this time, ten years later we have a more developed new media and a more deteriorated dinosaur media.

This just means we have to TALK to our friends, TALK to our coworkers.

Yesterday an old timer was surprised I am not a voting for obama. I simply stated “I don’t vote for communists”. He gave the tired of 8 years meme.

My answer was simply McCain is not GWBush and obama is still a communist.

The shock value of calling him an outright communist REALLY WORKS!!!!

so TALK PEOPLE!!!


18 posted on 11/03/2008 5:33:37 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Mark Halperin is hyperventilating, I can tell. It happens when you actually believe the bogus made-for-TV polls, instead of noting the severe methodological problems with them and dismissing them as the garbage they are.

Face it folks, the publically-accessible polls are going to be of no value in predicting tomorrow’s outcome.

FWIW, my prediction as it stands is McCain wins, 299-239 EV.


19 posted on 11/03/2008 5:34:10 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: conservativeinbflo.
Big Media manipulating the 0bama faithful into hugh riots on Wednesday. Enough. Let the chips fall where they may. I do believe that McCain/Palin can win. Republicans, Conservative Republicans, Independents and sane Democrats/PUMAs must show in record numbers tomorrow. Our country deserves to have a President who honors her.
20 posted on 11/03/2008 5:34:47 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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We must remember America's enemies from this election. We must push for force full investigation of MSM political participation, funding and linkages.

Never forget.

.

21 posted on 11/03/2008 5:35:20 AM PST by polymuser (God bless and keep America.)
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To: conservativeinbflo.
Good old Marky!
Marky’s Dad works for MOVON.ORG !
Ignore this DNC operative !
22 posted on 11/03/2008 5:35:59 AM PST by ncalburt
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Morning Joe was basically having a funeral for the McCain/Palin ticket, also saying Palin will lose him parts of Penn. blah blah blah. I just laughed at the TV..they are so full of it. They are going to be a pleasure to watch tomorrow night. Keep the faith and VOTE! ;)


23 posted on 11/03/2008 5:36:02 AM PST by AirForceMom (Caused a hugh momopoly of stuned beberness....................God Bless the USA)
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To: mlocher

MSNBC is going to go INSANE when obama starts filing court papers.

Remember obama is using the Odinga not the Rove master plan.

Democrats will push to delegitimize in order to obfuscate the transition.


24 posted on 11/03/2008 5:36:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Just like the Washington Post article posted earlier, these media clowns are trying to undo the damage they caused to their reputations and are now trying to appear objective. fair and balanced. They need us to continue supporting them with our “advertising” dollars. At least that way they will be around in 2012 to trash the next candidate we support. It’s no longer going to work for me. I won’t be forgetting what they did this election cycle. My money is my weapon.


25 posted on 11/03/2008 5:37:43 AM PST by I_hate_politicians
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To: longtermmemmory
just a caviat, don’t forget we were saying the same about dole polls.

Yes, and the polls then (Zogby excepted) showed Dole down by 22. He ended up losing by 8.

26 posted on 11/03/2008 5:37:46 AM PST by careyb
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To: longtermmemmory

Is the media INTENTIONALLY creating these types of stories, so when OBAMA LOSES, blacks will riot or scream racism....a type of civil war? I wonder....


27 posted on 11/03/2008 5:38:07 AM PST by Blue Turtle (I)
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To: All
We are actually reading MARK HALPERIN for objective analysis?
28 posted on 11/03/2008 5:39:17 AM PST by pburgh01
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To: lacrew
McCain - my prediction 304 Electoral votesMy kind of post.

I think the media has created nothing more that an illusion not only about the "aura" of the chosen one, but also his attraction of voters.

In all seriousness, can that many Americans be this naive?

I know, dangerous question but being that this is the last day before the we learn what this Countries fate is, I'm holding on with faith in the American people.

29 posted on 11/03/2008 5:39:35 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: conservativeinbflo.

That settles it...

Now that I know that this useful idiot can’t see how MAC can win this thing, I am more confident than ever that my prediction now and that of months ago that MAC IS going to win and win big is a safe bet.


30 posted on 11/03/2008 5:41:07 AM PST by SterlingSilver (If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... its a duck!)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

“Hours before voting starts, John McCain has no clear path to reaching that same goal. In fact, based on interviews with political strategists in both parties, election analysts and advisers to both presidential campaigns - including a detailed look at public and private polling data - an Obama victory with well over 300 electoral votes is a more likely outcome than a McCain victory.”

What BS. No way has Halperin gotten a complete analysis of the race. He is doing the usual pulling facts out of his ass. How could this guy discount the obvious gaffes by Obama and Biden that have definitely impacted the polls to make it favorable to McCain!!


31 posted on 11/03/2008 5:42:52 AM PST by princeofdarkness (Ronald Reagan- "Trust But Verify" MSM- "Report, Lie, Then Crucify")
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To: Blue Turtle

not wonder, KNOW.

think about MSNBC’s worldview.

they can’t grasp how ANY conservative can win anything.


32 posted on 11/03/2008 5:43:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: princeofdarkness

rove is saying the same thing.

Obama has more options to the 270.

McCain has basicly only one.


33 posted on 11/03/2008 5:47:45 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

What happened to Zogby last night? I haven’t seen his latest polls.

He is probably just waiting to see what everyone else does.


34 posted on 11/03/2008 5:48:27 AM PST by babydubya1981 (Homeschooling Moms for McCain/Palin 08)
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To: tomymind

You know, all of this talk about how 0bama doesn’t win, black people will riot. I say that when McCain wins this thing, we should riot...but not in the streets like these maniac libs would...we should riot the MSM so bad they will never forget us. The Times, Washington Post, MSDNC, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. Flood them with so many emails, phone calls, whatever it takes to scare them. Shove McCain’s win down their throats, give em hell as much as possible. Treat the MSM Obama media like Al-Qaeda terrorists, make them suffer and feel our wrath. Send the message that we are never going to allow this to happen again and this is the payback.


35 posted on 11/03/2008 5:52:52 AM PST by ObamaandAyersaTerroristsBFFL
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To: norcal joe

The purpose of this thread was to exemplify the utter bull-crap that we’ve been inundated with from all sides. Furthermore, it would be pathetic if this site were to only post stories that were favorable to us—only reading what we wanted to see or believe. Not only would we be living in a bubble, but we wouldn’t know what thought-process of those we oppose.

So lighten up. Although I do admit, I should have posted a BARF alert!


36 posted on 11/03/2008 5:53:54 AM PST by conservativeinbflo.
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To: conservativeinbflo.

More Communist propaganda from one of the asshats on the left.

VOTE VOTE VOTE.


37 posted on 11/03/2008 5:57:27 AM PST by stockpirate (Who wins and who loses decides the fate of our republic, slavery or freedom.)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

“Not only would we be living in a bubble, but we wouldn’t know what thought-process of those we oppose.”

I agree, that’s why I come here, because I know I’ll be kept aware of what’s really happening, That has enabled me to delete CNN and all the rest from my “favorites”. I don’t want any surprises. My liberal associates go to only Left wing wacko sites and they may be in for the surprise of the century.


38 posted on 11/03/2008 5:57:55 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: conservativeinbflo.

You know what I find funny. They are not mentioning AT ALL how horribly wrong these polls were in the primaries....they want us all to forget and take the polls as gospel.


39 posted on 11/03/2008 6:01:47 AM PST by babydubya1981 (Homeschooling Moms for McCain/Palin 08)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

You know what I find funny. They are not mentioning AT ALL how horribly wrong these polls were in the primaries....they want us all to forget and take the polls as gospel.


40 posted on 11/03/2008 6:01:52 AM PST by babydubya1981 (Homeschooling Moms for McCain/Palin 08)
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To: conservativeinbflo.

Why do you continue to post Halperine’s BS? You’re probably the only one here who hasn’t noticed a pattern...

(no offense)


42 posted on 11/03/2008 6:05:49 AM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Phoenix11

“It’s meant to demoralize McCain supporters. It’s meant to make people stay at home since McCain does not stand a chance. You can’t let it get to you! Prove them wrong by voting tomorrow! Have to go to work, but stay strong! :)”

You are correct. It is meant to DEMORALIZE supporters. Get out and vote tomorrow. NO WAY, NO HOW NOBAMA!


43 posted on 11/03/2008 6:06:30 AM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: babydubya1981

Every now and then I hear them on TV mentioning how 0bama was leading so much in the primaries but LOST by good margins [pa for example].

I don’t know what’s going to happen - but i’m voting and taking folks from work with me :)


44 posted on 11/03/2008 6:06:35 AM PST by Principled (They used the CRA to undermine capitalism. They're using ACORN to undermine democracy.)
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To: Phoenix11

This drastic a prediction keeps everyone at home. (Both sides: complacency on the left, despair on the right.)


45 posted on 11/03/2008 6:07:29 AM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach; lacrew
I wish I were as sure as you guys, cause if I was, I'd put down a ton of dough on McCain to win at www.intrade.com where an $11 bet today will get you $100 Wednesday.
Easiest money you'll ever make ---- if you really believe...
46 posted on 11/03/2008 6:10:03 AM PST by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: TaxRelief

Continue? Have I posted him regularly? Good lord. I apologize that I cannot be glued to my computer for several hours a day to monitor who is posting what.

Seriously, get a grip. You do no good lashing out at people who are ON YOUR SIDE.


47 posted on 11/03/2008 6:16:23 AM PST by conservativeinbflo.
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To: Vaquero

GREAT PICTURE....You just gave me the idea for my front steps next year. That’ll keep the little b-tards away from my house.


48 posted on 11/03/2008 6:26:10 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: lacrew
McCain - my prediction 304 Electoral votes

Can I have some of whatever your snorting or drinking. Must be good stuff.

49 posted on 11/03/2008 6:28:34 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Remember the Dims support what Stalin said: Not who votes, but WHO COUNTS the vote that matters.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

I just told this person I wanted some of whatever he was drinking or snorting with his 304 prediction. But, seeing yours, I have changed my mind, because your stuff has too be better than his with this 331 prediction.


50 posted on 11/03/2008 6:30:40 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Remember the Dims support what Stalin said: Not who votes, but WHO COUNTS the vote that matters.)
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