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So What's Next -- Why We Lost & What To Do About It!!!
Vanity ^ | 11-04-08 | cww

Posted on 11/04/2008 7:55:15 PM PST by CWW

I have been a Freeper fo over 10 years, and here are my 2 cents for what it's worth.

--WHY REPUBLICANS LOST –

1. Weak Candidate – C’mon, be serious. If it weren’t for Palin, it would have been a worse bloodbath than it is.

2. Poorly Run Campaign – McCain offered no alternative plan and chose the gentleman’s course by unilaterally disarming on the most important issues, e.g., Rev. Wright, Obama’s radical abortion position, immigration, Cap and Trade/Global Warming, Campaign Finance, etc.

3. Spendthrift Congressional Republicans -- squandered their capital by spending like drunken sailors and by supporting President Bush on liberal spending programs like No-Child Left Behind, Prescription Drugs, Immigration, etc. They also alienated conservatives by compromising on judicial appointments.

4. Unilateral Disarmament -- by voting for McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform, which Bush signed. McCain Was Hoisted On His Own Petard!! 5. Failure of President Bush to Use Bully Pulpit to Sell War and Explain It’s Relevancy to Peace & Stability.

6. Economic Collapse on Republican Party’s Watch -- the signs were there, but the public was kept in the dark. Blame at the 11th hour on Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, et al. was too little, too late.

7. To Much Compromise on Important Issues to Support President Bush – Campaign Finance Reform, Immigration, Prescription Drug Boondoggle, No-Child Left Behind, etc.

8. Infighting Among Conservatives-- Evangelicals split there vote in the primary between Romney and Huckaby. With all of his faults, Romney would have run circles around Obama on economic policy – the very issue that decided the election.

9. Biased Media – Unbelievably bias, and this will not change – EVER.

Some of these factors were not within the party’s control. But many were, e.g., controlling spending, and running an aggressive campaign with a positive theme, etc.

The fight for the control of the Republican Party is over. The moderate Gerald Ford-Country Club Wing has lost. They could not convince Reagan Democrats to cross over despite the groveling and “reaching across the isle”.

HOW TO WIN NEXT TIME:

1. Stand for Something Besides Your Personal Re-Election, Dammit!!

2. Don’t be afraid to take unpopular positions if they are the right positions. People will follow a leader. 3. Create a conservative platform and require candidates to take the pledge to earn party support.

4. Recruit conservative candidates who have lived in the real world and held real jobs. No more party insiders. Recruit more conservative women!!

5. Use every opportunity possible to hold democrats accountable for every vote, every failed policy and every tidbit of bad news.

6. Shun liberal Republicans and liberal candidates.

7. Revitalize the grass roots conservative base by opposing liberal democrat policies at every turn.

8. Adopt a “No More Pork” Pledge. 9. Oppose ALL spending increases except for Defense.

10. Introduce tax cut bills for small businesses over and over and over.

11. Oppose income redistribution to people who don’t pay income taxes. 12. Stand firm on immigration and securing our borders.

13. Oppose policies that weaken the family -- gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, etc.

14. Develop more alternative forms of media to deliver the conservative message - -More Blogs, more Webinars, More College Republican Clubs, More Rubber-Chicken Dinners to Spread the word, etc. 15. Replace the ENTIRE Republican leadership in the House and Senate. They lost; they should be gone. Period.


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1 posted on 11/04/2008 7:55:15 PM PST by CWW
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To: CWW

This ain’t over.

http://vote.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=130:14:0

According to the official Ohio Secretary of State website — and Jennifer Brunner is a Democrat — 43.19% of all precincts have reported. That’s significantly less than half.

Obama ................. 49.79%

McCain ................ 48.56%

If McCain wins Ohio, he is definitely still alive. All the networks have already called Ohio for Obama, in much the same way they called the election for Kerry in 2004.


2 posted on 11/04/2008 7:57:06 PM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: CWW

Step #1 - Demand that every state Republican Party that allows independents or Democrats to vote in out primary stop that practice.

We might not have had McCain for our nominee if not for Dems and Ind voting for him in the primaries.

3 posted on 11/04/2008 7:57:25 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: CWW

We wouldn’t have McCain if we didn’t let independents and democrats vote in our primary elections. Have only Republicans vote in Republican primaries, and have conservative states go first in the primaries, not Iowa and New Hampshire.


4 posted on 11/04/2008 7:58:00 PM PST by pie_eater
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To: CWW

Cut funding for BATFE and DEA, and thereby support limited federal government for a change.


5 posted on 11/04/2008 7:58:01 PM PST by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: CWW
“If it weren’t for Palin, it would have been a worse bloodbath than it is.”

“McCain offered no alternative plan and chose the gentleman’s course by unilaterally disarming”

I agree whole heartedly.

6 posted on 11/04/2008 7:58:09 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: SeafoodGumbo

out -> our


7 posted on 11/04/2008 7:58:09 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: CWW

I totally agree!


8 posted on 11/04/2008 7:59:08 PM PST by mockingbyrd (When I say Obama. You say Ayers.....Obama! Ayers!)
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To: CWW

Right now I’m going to eat a grilled chicken sandwich, because I was too upset earlier to eat dinner.
I don’t know what my plans are after that, though.
:)


9 posted on 11/04/2008 7:59:34 PM PST by snarkytart
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Good suggestions.


10 posted on 11/04/2008 7:59:45 PM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: CWW
The GOP has been losing it incrementally for a long time by moving to the socialist left in an attempt to expand the voter base. They are aligning their political ideology with the socialist RAT party . They are one big Republicrat party.
11 posted on 11/04/2008 8:00:05 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: CWW

AND NONE OF THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE A D...D THING UNLESS YOU DEAL WITH VOTER FRAUD!!!

Not every state, but enough could have been lost to Acorn tonight and NOBODY HERE THINKS THAT IS THE MOST CRUCIAL ISSUE.

what difference does all those great changes make, if you lose at the polls to voter Fraud!!


12 posted on 11/04/2008 8:00:27 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Obozo.....friend of dictators and wannabee revoluuuushionaries !)
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To: CWW

Also, McCain lost because of McCain Feingolod!

He played rules by his law and lost.

Republicans hated the law then and should hate it even more now.


13 posted on 11/04/2008 8:00:38 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: CWW

How about the worst economic meltdown since the 1930’s, two botched wars, and out of control deficit spending, all on a Republican President’s watch? If you’re truly serious about the root of this loss, look hard at these factors.


14 posted on 11/04/2008 8:01:25 PM PST by PC99
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To: pie_eater
We wouldn’t have McCain if we didn’t let independents and democrats vote in our primary elections. Have only Republicans vote in Republican primaries, and have conservative states go first in the primaries, not Iowa and New Hampshire.

You beat me to it. Close all the primaries to registered Republicans only. McCain is what we get with open primaries. Let the grass roots conservatives, not milquetoast moderates, decide who would be the strongest candidate and the standard bearer.

15 posted on 11/04/2008 8:01:37 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: CWW

Oh, we’ll definitely be back! Led by SARAHCUDA!!!!

Sarah Palin’2012!!!!


16 posted on 11/04/2008 8:01:41 PM PST by wk4bush2004 (Let the sound of intercession meet Your ears......)
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To: CWW

This is a very good list, both pro and con. I will come back tomorrow and read it again.


17 posted on 11/04/2008 8:01:48 PM PST by pinkpanther111
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To: CWW

We didn’t learn a damn thing from the Bob Dole campaign. We have got to quit playing the nice guy or we will NEVER win another major election.


18 posted on 11/04/2008 8:02:08 PM PST by clamper1797 (BHO ... the 'H" stands for hubris)
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To: CWW

There isn’t a whole lot we can do right now. Our first line of defense is with what remains in the Senate and House. The House might not be able to do much to protect the people of this nation, but the Senate needs to stiffen their resolve and block the coming liberal agenda as much as possible. Otherwise, the people have sewn the wind, and as God is my witness, they will reap the whirlwind.


19 posted on 11/04/2008 8:02:13 PM PST by Enterprise (No Oil for Democrats!)
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To: CWW

George Bush has spent the last four years ticking off his base.

McCain was a poor candidate for many reasons.

The fact that Obama is being elected is a sign of just how far our country has fallen. There very well might not be a next time.


20 posted on 11/04/2008 8:02:21 PM PST by Revel
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To: CWW
Only one viable option remains: secession.
America is an empty shell, nothing of what the Founding Fathers stood and died for remains. It's time to stop revering them, and time to BECOME them.
21 posted on 11/04/2008 8:02:26 PM PST by ClaudiusI
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To: CWW
Evangelicals split there vote in the primary between Romney and Huckaby. With all of his faults, Romney would have run circles around Obama on economic policy – the very issue that decided the election.

Worth repeating.

22 posted on 11/04/2008 8:02:32 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: wk4bush2004

http://christianexodus.org/


23 posted on 11/04/2008 8:03:01 PM PST by steve0
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To: CWW

Problem is that Republicans stand for nothing and Democraps stand on lies and are not held accountable. Mark this night as the day the Republican party died!


24 posted on 11/04/2008 8:03:06 PM PST by Bommer (Who was Obama's diction coach? Bevis or Butthead? Uhhhhhh.....)
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To: CWW
Here's why, and you know what to do about it. But will you do it?

CHICAGO
JOHN M. OLIN LAW & ECONOMICS WORKING PAPER NO. 60 (2D SERIES)
How Dramatically Did Women’s Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government? (PDF)
John R. Lott, Jr., and Larry Kenny


25 posted on 11/04/2008 8:03:40 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96)
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To: CWW

I disagree. McCain was betrayed. He betrayed himself years ago. Palin was a mistake. Bush was a problem - lord love him.we did not work hard enough for what matters most. We did not grid our lions on his behalf.


26 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:03 PM PST by Chatlee
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Let’s do our part to help as many media dinosaurs as possible find their way to the graveyard.


27 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:17 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: CWW
Absolutely EXCELLENT!

I especially enjoyed this part and will probably make a car window sign saying just this:

Country Club Wing has lost. They could not convince Reagan Democrats to cross over despite the groveling and “reaching across the isle”.

28 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:18 PM PST by NordP (PALIN POWER: She's Reagan in heels, Teddy Roosevelt in a dress & like Rummy at a press conference!)
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To: CWW
The Republican Party better start NOW to get behind a candidate for 2012.
No more luke-warm support for a RINO candidate.
No more splitting the conservative vote in the primaries.
No more wishing the VP nominee was the P nominee.
We need to start fighting over who we want now, so that in 2012, she has our FULL support.
(oops... did I say "she"?...)
29 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:22 PM PST by apastron (I miss the good old days - when bankers just jumped out of a window...)
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To: CWW
There may not be a next time.

BO has so corrupted the voting process in just this one election, imagine what it will be like next time.

The entire country will be like Chicago's voting system.

I originally thought that at the end of 4 years, it would be like the end of Jimmy Carter, but now I don't think so.

Chicago thugs are now in control of the country.

30 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:22 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: CWW; All
The Republican Party better start NOW to get behind a candidate for 2012.
No more luke-warm support for a RINO candidate.
No more splitting the conservative vote in the primaries.
No more wishing the VP nominee was the P nominee.
We need to start fighting over who we want now, so that in 2012, she has our FULL support.
(oops... did I say "she"?...)
31 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:33 PM PST by apastron (I miss the good old days - when bankers just jumped out of a window...)
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To: CWW

Tonight, in South Dakota, basic restrictions on abortion, with genereous exceptions for health, rape, incest, etc is being defeated pretty soundly. If it can’t win here, I don’t know where it can win. I’m beginning to wonder whether America isn’t convinced that legal abortion is settled law.


32 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:35 PM PST by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: CWW

Voter ID is the answer. Just think how many votes were stolen to win this race. I agree we need better candidates but we have to clean up this voter mess. I am so depressed I can’t talk anymore.


33 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:45 PM PST by sibb1213
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To: CWW

Until we take back the public schools and the universities we are guaranteed socialism.


34 posted on 11/04/2008 8:04:50 PM PST by Master of Obvious (Guaranteed)
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To: CWW

that was the smartest thing i have heard in awhile.
POST MORE!!!


35 posted on 11/04/2008 8:05:29 PM PST by genghis
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To: CWW
Amen! McCain did so badly that he had no time to even go around in support of republican senators and congressmen that were also running.

We need a good speaker who is a conservative. Someone who can speak like Newt. Maybe Newt should be the new GOP chairman.

36 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:10 PM PST by tsowellfan (An Obama win is a defeat for country club republicans and a win for conservative republicans.)
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To: Philo1962
We live in Ohio. Over the weekend we had more than 20 "get out and vote" calls from the rats and Repulicans, asking for my girl friend's wrong first name, but with her right last name. So how many fraudulent registrations have been made using her last name with this address and phone #?

Will McCain have the balls to fight the rampant voter fraud in court?

I doubt it. I hope I'm wrong, but RINO boy hasn't shown any balls yet.

I can hear him now - He'll want his defeat to be "honorable", as he continues to "reach out" to his "friends" on the other side.

He's another Bob Dole loser, and the ONLY reason he did so well was because he chose Sarah Palin.

37 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:20 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: CWW

The Donks have the House, Senate, and White House. We NEED to hold their feet to the fire for the next 4 years - ANY failings or problems are ONLY their fault.

Vigilance and loud voices are required now...


38 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:26 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: CWW
8. Infighting Among Conservatives-- Evangelicals split there vote in the primary between Romney and Huckaby. With all of his faults, Romney would have run circles around Obama on economic policy – the very issue that decided the election. 9. Biased Media – Unbelievably bias, and this will not change – EVER.

Let's start w/ number eight. That goofball Huckaby stuck in there and ruined it for Romney. I agree, Romney would've ran circles around Obama on the economy.

Number nine - this is the WORST I'VE SEEN THE MEDIA! We have to get organized and boycott one liberal news outlet such as CNN. Let's just concentrate on one!

RightWingIt.com

39 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:30 PM PST by GaryLee1990 (www.RightWingIt.com)
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To: PC99
How about the worst economic meltdown since the 1930’s, two botched wars, and out of control deficit spending, all on a Republican President’s watch?

I take issue with the botched wars, but the other points are correct. The Congress contributed largely to the economic meltdown and the deficit spending, but the buck stops at the President's desk and he has been blamed.

40 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:38 PM PST by randita (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Step #1 - Demand that every state Republican Party that allows independents or Democrats to vote in out primary stop that practice.

You nailed it!

However, I have serious doubts that the Republican party can, or will, stand up to the Dems.

They've consistently been the "go along to get along party" for so long that I don't see them changing.

My thoughts are more along the lines of forming a new party or joining an already existing one.

www.falconparty.com

41 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:44 PM PST by airborne (Adversity doesn't build character. It reveals it!)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

McCain did not lose because he’s a RINO. He lost because moral conservatives are out numbered in this country. And because the have nots have come together to take from the haves.


42 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:44 PM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: CWW

#10. Race.

Seriously. When did FR become so PC that we can’t state the obvious?


43 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:56 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: CWW
To the long list of the things the Republicans should have done when they had the chance was to defund the left at every possible opportunity.

The fight to convince parents of the value of homeschooling is essential, both to liberate the young and to reduce the number of new soldiers the left has to recruit in their government run indoctrination centers. At the very least, work to establish vouchers somewhere and expand on it when possible.

The Left knows how vouchers will kill their monopoly, which is why they fight them tooth and nail.

44 posted on 11/04/2008 8:07:02 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Parley Baer

I sent money to the Republicans this year for the first time since Iran-Contra broke into the news, and I did so because of Governor Palin’s nomination.

Senator McCain is an honorable senator, firmly imbued with the ethos of the place (and I mean that nicely). He does not have the necessary instincts of a presidential candidate.

Of the five candidates, I guess I had Guiliani first (too liberal, but fundamentally a decent person), then Thompson (but let’s have some fire), then Romney, and finally McCain. That other guy, Huckleberry or whatever, just was unacceptable. Am I surprised that my fourth choice didn’t win the election. Frankly, no.


45 posted on 11/04/2008 8:07:28 PM PST by bagman
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To: Philo1962

Nope, it’s not yet. CWW is right on points however. McCain’s campaign was run by a bunch of RINO, excuse the election night French, pussies. We’ve heard them giving up tonight on exit polls. I heard one of them on FNC set it up so that he may blame Gov. Palin. Gov. Palin was the only bright spot in this campaign.

There’s a reason why we’re conservative and not necessarily republican. McCain may have not donned the cushy and gay sweater, but he may as well have. His campaign was never focused, and if not for his one wise decision of selecting Gov. Palin, this would be looking far worse.


46 posted on 11/04/2008 8:07:44 PM PST by kenth (Will Rogers never met Barack Obama.)
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To: CWW; All
Its over... AMERICA has choosen to adopted the Socialist/marxism mantra. The O has won with both houses also dem... Free America is gone... socialist/welfare america is here.

All those that voted for the socialist agenda will definately be sorry after the fact. I weep at what has happen to this once great country.

Mainstream MSM has WON and WON Big. You all who thought their power has diminished was very very wrong and they will get bigger and bigger.

How soon before re-education camps open. Been through it once,and I know I will not survive it again.
47 posted on 11/04/2008 8:08:12 PM PST by Strutt9
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To: kjam22

Good post, and absolutely true.


48 posted on 11/04/2008 8:08:14 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: sibb1213

Cleaning up elections is now in the hands of three branches of Government controlled by those that perpetrate it. How do we fix it with those odds?


49 posted on 11/04/2008 8:08:22 PM PST by kempster
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To: CWW
So What's Next -- Why We Lost & What To Do About It!!!

We exchange e-mail addresses because this forum is history.

50 posted on 11/04/2008 8:08:25 PM PST by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.............maybe.)
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