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No more Bush I's. No more Doles. No Bush II's. No McCain's. Toward the Next Reagan/Thatcher?
quesney

Posted on 11/04/2008 10:23:01 PM PST by quesney

No. more. RINO's.

Whether it's Palin, Jindahl, Joe The Plumber or someone as yet unknown, we have to be focused on reforming the decrepit GOP.

We must find the next Reagan, because this country is going to need him or her and true conservatives will not tolerate another Bush-Dole-Mcain ever again. Ever.


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1 posted on 11/04/2008 10:23:01 PM PST by quesney
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To: quesney

Marc Sanford!


2 posted on 11/04/2008 10:24:40 PM PST by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: quesney
You have that right.

The moderates go THEIR candidate. The strategy failed. No we know.

There is only one winning strategy for Republicans....Reaganism.
3 posted on 11/04/2008 10:24:50 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: quesney

What happened to the PUMAS...was that a joke? I think it was and we all fell for it.


4 posted on 11/04/2008 10:25:13 PM PST by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: quesney
What about Duncan Hunter???

RightWingIt.com

5 posted on 11/04/2008 10:25:59 PM PST by GaryLee1990 (www.RightWingIt.com)
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To: Texas4ever

it was real, it was just not big. There were Hillary voters that were pissed off. I met some. I always wondered how many there were. Obviously it was not a big group. Most remained party loyal.


6 posted on 11/04/2008 10:26:25 PM PST by ilgipper (Does Obama have even ONE friend who is PRO America?)
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I think Bobby Jindal is the one with the right mix. But even he couldn’t get rid of that witch Landrieu.


7 posted on 11/04/2008 10:28:06 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: ilgipper

Exit polls showed it was close to 20% in key states. That’s a decent amount. With 25% we win OH, FL, IN, NC. Without them the margins would have been even bigger.


8 posted on 11/04/2008 10:29:14 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: quesney

I think the next Thatcher has been right on stage in front of us during this campaign.


9 posted on 11/04/2008 10:29:17 PM PST by TBP
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To: quesney
I expect the 3 big names that will be getting the initial buzz will be Palin, Jindal, and Romney.

I hope Romney fades.

10 posted on 11/04/2008 10:29:22 PM PST by rhinohunter
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To: quesney

On a bright note, Biden is out of the Senate. Of course, he’s about to become the Vice President of the United States.


11 posted on 11/04/2008 10:29:22 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: quesney

Yep. One of the good things to come out of this election is it discredits both the Bushes and McCain within the GOP. It’s time for new leadership to take shape.


12 posted on 11/04/2008 10:29:28 PM PST by billybudd
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To: quesney

I think the world of President Bush as a man. But his whole family should ride off into the sunset as far as politics are concerned.

This party, this movement, the nation needs new leadership with new ideas. We need to get back to our core values while at the same time learning to connect with people better.

If McCain (or better yet- someone else less useless) had run as the “save the economy” candidate he would now be making his acceptance speach. That is what people care about at the moment.


13 posted on 11/04/2008 10:29:42 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: quesney

They were all weak because they pandered to the right wing.

We need a candidate who represents true conservative principles, rather than just a partisan like Bush and Nixon.


14 posted on 11/04/2008 10:29:49 PM PST by KingofZion
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
On a bright note, Biden is out of the Senate.

Not necessarily. The rat guv may appoint Biden Jr.

15 posted on 11/04/2008 10:30:54 PM PST by rhinohunter
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To: MadIsh32

There you go... Mark’s a great guy and definately can articulate ideas... got the chance to intern for him. But, in the near term we need a Congressional leader not a Governor. I think Paul Ryan’s interview on FoxNews is the perfect attitude we need.

In the next few months we have got to just sit back and let them govern. We should work with them on the things we can agree with them on and steadfastly oppose those things that we disagree with him on. We should not politicize it though. Let them entangle themselves in their own liberal web.

After a few months, when the people of America realize they are not the Party of Perfection, we can begin to articulate why we oppose them and why they are wrong to drive up their negative numbers. As we go into 2010 we then must begin to articulate why we believe what we believe and persuade Americans that real conservatism is the right direction.


16 posted on 11/04/2008 10:31:19 PM PST by daniel885
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To: quesney

keep in mind,

it’s a lot easier to be a Reagan or Thatcher when you’re running against the failed liberalism of a Carter or whoever was the labor PM before Thatcher then it is to run aganist the failed conservatism and Republicanism of Bush. It was much easier for Reagan to run against Carter in 1980 than it would have been for him to run in 1976 trying to continue the Nixon legacy.

It will be much easier in four years if people can see what the effects of Obama’s liberalism are rather than just being so sick of Bush right now that they’re willing to chnage course.


17 posted on 11/04/2008 10:31:40 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: quesney
We will /never/ unite behind a ‘true conservative’ until we come to an agreement as to whom is considered to be a ‘true conservative.’ An economic conservative who's not part of the right church? That's a RINO. A religious conservative who thinks that the government is the ultimate charity? That's a RINO.

So long as we have the evangelical litmus test of proper denomination, proper church attendance, etc, I honestly don't see a manner or method that we reach a conservative who can unite the party, and the nation, against the expansive federal government. In the present climate, there is no way Ronald Reagan would ever have become president. He signed abortion into law in California as governor! He flip-flopped and was extremely pro-life! Burn him at the stake, especially for his Hollywood connections!

Nope, not going to happen. I am, by no means, suggesting evangelicals be tossed under the bus, but religious affiliation has to come off the table in the defining of who is a conservative, or we'll continue to have just useless RINOs who represent /none/ of the ideals of the conservative movement, religious or otherwise. We will continue to split our votes and let these ‘middle of the road’ leftists take over.

18 posted on 11/04/2008 10:32:49 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: quesney

When the Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party)-controlled bureaucracy and the MSM get through with Jindahl and Palin it will make what they did to Joe the Plumber look like adulation.


19 posted on 11/04/2008 10:33:17 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: quesney

I’m officially starting the Tim Pawlenty 2012 campaign right now... He has the experience and charisma to take down NObama in four years, especially after America wakes up and realizes that NObama could not deliver on anything he promised... God forbid he raises taxes for the “middle class”, it’ll be 1992 all over again.

I don’t know what no one here is talking about Pawlenty much but I think he would be a great candidate and he’s NOT a senator... No more senators! Pawlenty 2012!

Who’s with me?!


20 posted on 11/04/2008 10:35:31 PM PST by RedPriest73
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To: quesney
First, we need to scrap the current primary system for the GOP. No blue state should have any say early on in the nominating process for the GOP. I'll field a proposal i posted earlier to improve the primary system.

First, we start with the darkest red states with the smallest populations. Such places (Wyoming, South Dakota, Idaho, etc.) will be cheap places in which to campaign for a low-budget conservative candidate. After a succession of primaries in these states, we would move on to all of the big red states in a "Super Tuesday" type setup. If there is no nominee after this vote, then we have a second "Super Tuesday" in the big blue states. Finally, we would finish off with the small blue states.

I'd like to have all primaries/caucuses be a winner-take-all format so that a nominee is chosen quickly. I'd also penalize any state that goes out of order by taking away half of their delegates and reallocating them to the smaller states. For states which have open primaries, they too would lose half of their delegates and have them reallocated. If a state went out of order and had an open primary, it would lose 3/4 of its delegates and have them reallocated to the smaller states.

21 posted on 11/04/2008 10:36:21 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: quesney

This is assuming Obama doesn’t just do away with term limits and stay as POTUS for as long as he likes. Nothing seems out of the realm of possibility at this point.

If he put it up to a vote I would guess the American sheeple who elected him would gladly keep him on forever.


22 posted on 11/04/2008 10:36:44 PM PST by BootsOfEscaping
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To: quesney

I was not among those who advocated McCain’s loss because he was not a true conservative, but now that it’s done, can we be honest?

McCain was Bush’s third term. Bush won the base on abortion and taxes alone, because he pushed the party left on everything else. Fortunately for America, Bush did most of the right things on national security in response to 9/11. Other than that* his presidency was immensely damaging to the party.

I’m not glad Obama won, but let’s look on the bright side - we are now free of Bushism (and McCainism) and can look for some real, conservative leaders.

In the meantime, we lead the opposition. As dark as the early Clinton days seemed at first, they were soon followed by some very heady days: Dan’s Bake Sale, the tomato-pelting of the “Health Care Express” buses, the Republican tsunami of 1994; here in my town and state, takeovers of the school board, the state legislature, and more; the explosion of talk radio and conservative publishing houses. Am I the only one who lived for the next issue of National Review, American Spectator, and (pre-internet) the Conservative Chronicle back in the day? Thos publications are not the same when they are half consumed with making excuses for an inadequate administration.

History is made when ideology and ambition clash with the great events of our time. I do not see Obama as a great man or a great leader. Who knows what events are in store? It is certain that he wants to implement socialism, but there is no guarantee that he will succeed, and every reason to believe that he will fail, and fail miserably. History, on its own, may stop him. But sometimes history needs a little push. That’s our job.

And on top of all that, for anybody who even so much as uses the word “racism,” we can now point to the White House and say, “Racism? That is so last century! Welcome to the 21st, caveman.”

Buck up, “my friends!” This is OUR time! President-elect Obama may not know that, but he soon will!

* Yes, I know, “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”


23 posted on 11/04/2008 10:37:19 PM PST by PhatHead
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To: pnh102

“First, we need to scrap the current primary system for the GOP. No blue state should have any say early on in the nominating process for the GOP....”

Totally agree.


24 posted on 11/04/2008 10:37:38 PM PST by quesney
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To: quesney

So help me God, if anyone else suggests that Jeb Bush run for anything at all, I am gonna scream! I support the Constitution of the United States, after that, Sarah Palin, after that, Bobby Jindal, after that, no-one.


25 posted on 11/04/2008 10:37:40 PM PST by chris37
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To: Arkinsaw

Reagan won as much for being a great communicator and a very charismatic person... much the same reason people voted for Obama tonight... more than anything, in this star struck, American Idol nation... people don’t care if a person is a commie or a conservative, they want someone who can speak and exudes self-confidence. After 8 years of a president who is possibly the WORST communicator ever the voters bought into this man hook, line and sinker... to beat him you have to have someone else who catches the American spark... people don’t care what the person believes... they proved it tonight, especially when the people in PA know Obama wants to put a large portion of their state out of work.


27 posted on 11/04/2008 10:38:15 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: quesney

Rick Perry-Gov. TX. You’re going to hear his name thrown around.

I’m not advocating one way or the other. Just a hunch.


28 posted on 11/04/2008 10:38:39 PM PST by Doug TX
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To: TBP

me too...


29 posted on 11/04/2008 10:38:48 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: MadIsh32

No Surrender! Romney-Palin in 2012!


30 posted on 11/04/2008 10:39:47 PM PST by r_barton
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To: quesney

“Whether it’s Palin, Jindahl, Joe The Plumber or someone as yet unknown, we have to be focused on reforming the decrepit GOP.”

Amen.

It is going to happen.

Time to get the conservative house in order and then payback time.

And I LIKE Sarah Palin.

We need to back conservatives, they need to get out there, be known, campaign for other conservatives and be known to the public.

Get them into the election hopper so they are there to vote for when we need them.

This had to happen anyways, but I expect now people will be much more motivated to make it happen.


31 posted on 11/04/2008 10:40:34 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah.)
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To: quesney
First, we have to have Republican primaries on the same days that the Dems have theirs so that they don't end up voting in our primaries and getting the candidate they want.

Secondly, we have to be more forgiving of our own. If a guy like Romney wants to rebuild the party, we need to quit finding fault with his religion or his inconsistency on being pro-life, because Mormonism is alot better than Obama's black liberation theology (which no one else seemed to mind) and being late-to-the-party on being pro-life is better than never showing up at all. Tonight America elected (and is worshiping) a guy that doesn't measure up to any of the candidates we had and we were too picky to notice.

Thirdly, we have to do alot better at getting media people on our team. Sad as it is, we need people who are telegenic. Reagan was. He was a great man, a visionary, and a marvelous speaker--but he was an actor first and nice looking. Sarah was a hit because she was easy on the eyes. Jindal looks fine on camera. McCain was handsome but too old. No more golden oldies. And we need to use those media people to make it happen on the next media, be it youtube, satellite radio, or whatever.

Lastly, we need to get serious about money. McCain paid the price for his disloyalty to Bush and his stupid campaign finance bill. We need to put our money where our mouths are or quit complaining.

We need to get serious about our affiliations. If our kids don't support our values and political aims, we need to cut money off. We need to find vendors, service people, etc. who are sympathetic and use them. My new handyman is a McCain supporter and I feel good about promoting him. My hairdresser is scared to death about the effect of Obama taxes on her business. I went to a fabric store and the woman had on an Obama pin--I'll never buy another item from that store. We need to stand up at our churches, too, and if the message from the pulpit is socialist, pro-gay, apologetic for Islam, etc. we need to make sure that we are not there and not supporting their ideas. We need to be as loud and in-your-face as Obama insisted his followers, his thugocracy, is.

We may be defeated tonight but there will be more elections and we need to shape up. We have seen the power of the competition and we know what we need to do.

32 posted on 11/04/2008 10:40:50 PM PST by MHT
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To: quesney

and, BTW, in case anyone thinks congress gives a rip what any of us have to say, think again, there was a blurb yesterday on Fox that all of the congressmen and women up for election got the majority of their re-election funds from lobbyists in DC... they own our congress lock, stock and barrel and WE are the dupes who keep sending them back with our votes.


33 posted on 11/04/2008 10:41:30 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Reagan won as much for being a great communicator and a very charismatic person... much the same reason people voted for Obama tonight... more than anything, in this star struck, American Idol nation... people don’t care if a person is a commie or a conservative, they want someone who can speak and exudes self-confidence. After 8 years of a president who is possibly the WORST communicator ever the voters bought into this man hook, line and sinker... to beat him you have to have someone else who catches the American spark... people don’t care what the person believes... they proved it tonight, especially when the people in PA know Obama wants to put a large portion of their state out of work.

Yes, its true. This is a very Reagan-like win for the Democrats. A candidate who many had doubts about....but were convinced to take a risk because of the appeals to abstract positives. Reagan's "City on a Hill" and Obama's "Hope and Change".

Conservatives have to repackage conservatism as Reagan did. Reagan made conservatism the "hope and change".

Conservatism cannot just be a serious grim ideology. It has to appeal to people's "better angels".
34 posted on 11/04/2008 10:43:35 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: kingu

Republicans have to be strongly pro-life and traditional values. but they also have to cut taxes and spending and be strong on national security. Just like with energy policy, we need an *all of the above* approach.


35 posted on 11/04/2008 10:45:12 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: quesney
I knew this would be coming, and I respect the notion.

I was not a McCain supporter in the primaries. I didn't care much for his centrist message; however, my main concern was that he isn't (and I can say this at my age) young enough to attract superficial voters. Further, he isn't quite glib enough to "wow" em in debates.

I actually gained a lot of respect for McCain during his candidacy, and I wish him well.

And I still think that Mitt would have won the election. The man has conservative principles (although some arrived at fairly late in the game), and he speaks with facility.

If we want to pick a Reagan conservative, I have some unfortunate news. The man was unique, and I do not know of another Reagan.

We'll find a principled and attractive candidate for 2012. We just need to keep the Dems and independents from voting in our primaries.

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36 posted on 11/04/2008 10:48:39 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: ari-freedom

Traditional values and pro-life are all fine and dandy, but if you look back through posts on this board, a lot of conservatives were considered un-electable not because they lack any conservative credentials on any base, but because they didn’t utter ‘Jesus Christ is my savior.’

An all of the above approach is great, but if the test on those who have all of the above is based simply on a religious statement, then we might as well toss in the towel, as we shatter our own votes yet again, and let slip in /another/ Rino.


37 posted on 11/04/2008 10:49:06 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: quesney

“I firmly believe that conservatism — genuinely articulated, passionately articulated — wins in national elections most every time it’s tried.”

-Rush Limbaugh


38 posted on 11/04/2008 10:50:47 PM PST by JohnLongIsland (jackmartins08.com NY 4th Congressional)
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To: Arkinsaw

EXACTLY! and you have to have the right messenger... and not one man who ran this year had that ability... Palin has it, Jindal “may” have it.... Romney does not have it and neither does Huckabee... Thompson could have done it if he was 15 years younger and in great health.


39 posted on 11/04/2008 10:51:36 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

yup. exactly. Even if we had the most solid conservative but he is as dull as a butter knife, he won’t go anywhere. We need substance but style still matters!


40 posted on 11/04/2008 10:51:44 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: quesney

Palin, Jindal, Lt. Col. Alan West - The conservative future of the GOP.


41 posted on 11/04/2008 10:51:57 PM PST by Josh Painter (If the Constitution is a living document, why does the Left try to kill it? - JP)
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To: quesney

This was the election that determines the future of both the Republican Party and all of U.S. conservatism, and both Republicans and conservatives badly lost, thanks to a majority of both ignorant voters and stupid voters. When stupid voters and ignorant voters form a majority of voters throughout the U.S. and then illegal immigrants are also added as future voters to both of these groups for all future U.S. elections, then it’s really all over forever for this country, folks! All of the optimism really doesn’t cut it when reality keeps saying something else. People can attack my pessimism all they want to, but I’m still correct about all of these things. My ongoing depression about what has just happened on November 4 will be with me for the rest of my life, and I know too well about all of the “mess” that’s really coming this country’s way. So many people’s lives and so many businesses will be ruined for good for many years to come, and conservatism won’t ever successfully return to this country in my lifetime, if not forever. The left will always do all that they can do to make sure that conservatism never returns to the U.S., while the left also continues to screw up everything on every issue while getting away with it each and every time!


42 posted on 11/04/2008 10:53:34 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (There's nothing good to say about leftists in complete control of everything important.)
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To: kingu

such as who? many were interested in Eric Cantor but the problem with all congressmen (including Hunter) is that nobody has heard of them.


43 posted on 11/04/2008 10:58:52 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: pnh102

“First, we need to scrap the current primary system for the GOP. No blue state should have any say early on in the nominating process for the GOP.”

You have too much common sense. The Stupid Party will refuse to learn.


44 posted on 11/04/2008 11:00:04 PM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: Texas4ever
What happened to the PUMAS...was that a joke?

I think the PUMAs were about like the Paulistinians -- got lots of attention but really didn't have the numbers to be of any significance.

45 posted on 11/04/2008 11:01:29 PM PST by rhinohunter
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To: PhatHead

“Am I the only one who lived for the next issue of National Review, American Spectator, and (pre-internet) the Conservative Chronicle back in the day?”

Back before 1990 maybe. I found NR had become worthless around that time, and TAS as well.

“Fortunately for America, Bush did most of the right things on national security in response to 9/11.”

That’s true only if you leave out his glaring indifference to the border and his constant attempt to amnesty illegals. There’s no way of knowing how many terrorists have taken advantage of Bush’s terrible immigration policies to establish themselves here for the long haul.


46 posted on 11/04/2008 11:13:34 PM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: Josh Painter

Did West win his seat? Last I saw he was losing.


47 posted on 11/04/2008 11:41:31 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: rhinohunter

A lot of them were shamed in their own families for daring vote for a Republican... I fear in the end they relented or didn’t vote.


48 posted on 11/04/2008 11:43:13 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Pelham
Back before 1990 maybe. I found NR had become worthless around that time, and TAS as well.

So what did you read? Because I loved the Clinton articles in TAS (Troopergate, etc.) and Warren Brookes in the Chronicle - awesome. And NR was still Buckley-influenced back then.

That’s true only if you leave out his glaring indifference to the border and his constant attempt to amnesty illegals

Well, I did say "most of the right things," didn't I? Unfortunately, a Ronald Reagan is a once in a century kind of President. Bush was awful and I warned all who would listen in 2000 that he would wreck the party. Even so, a Gore or Kerry would have been far worse (obviously.) We always choose the lesser of two evils, no?

49 posted on 11/04/2008 11:49:24 PM PST by PhatHead
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To: quesney

btt


50 posted on 11/04/2008 11:51:26 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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