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Conservatives, Time to Adopt Saul Alinsky Tactics
Discoverthenetworks.org ^ | April 2008 | John Perazzo

Posted on 11/05/2008 1:59:20 PM PST by samsmom

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To: samsmom
Alinsky was a revolutionist. We should be Counter-Revolutionist.

Obama and his revolutionary friends won. We must be a counter their Revolution.

101 posted on 11/05/2008 4:33:48 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: samsmom
Alinsky was a revolutionist. We should be Counter-Revolutionist.

Obama and his revolutionary friends won. We must be a counter their Revolution.

102 posted on 11/05/2008 4:33:51 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Def Conservative
I have both of Alinsky’s books...brought em when I first saw Obama rising.

I have one. I bought it during the Oboma rising, too.

Oboma was tactic #3.(Whenever possible, go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause fear, confusion, and retreat.) Oboma was the first black candidate. Everyone, including the press, had no idea how to treat him without being labeled a racist. Anything that put Oboma on the defensive was immediately referred to as "a racial attack."

That leads to tactic #5. Call anyone who threatens Oboma a racist (Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counter attack ridicule). Those who are accused of racism are instantly put on the defensive. They're forced to prove they're not a racist. The only way to do that is to apologize to Oboma!!

103 posted on 11/05/2008 4:36:22 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: wideawake
In other words, we should use derivative and immoral tactics that our enemies already know very well and which they are far more experienced than us in using.

No. You're response to their tactics gives them their power. Know you're under attack, and you'll be able to deal with it in a logical rather than knee jerk manner.
Their attacks catch people off guard, and your response can then be used against you.

104 posted on 11/05/2008 4:41:30 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: samsmom

Why not use the Constitution? Why ‘tactics of the left’? The Constitution cannot be relevant if we don’t use it.


105 posted on 11/05/2008 4:42:30 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: jonathonandjennifer
What Micheal Medved is doing:

First he is afraid. But he also recalls the organizer's initial articulation of middle-class ideals and morals. Thus he convinces himself that the People's Organization is surely composed of reasonable people who actually hold values similar to his own, and who seek resolutions that will be beneficial to both sides. This thought process causes him to proffer -- in hopes of appeasing the angry mobs -- concessions and admissions of guilt, which the organizer in turn exploits to gain still greater moral leverage and to extort further concessions.<

106 posted on 11/05/2008 4:45:06 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: rochester_veteran
Alinsky's tactics utilize lies and deceit and I am so disgusted from dealing with moonbats that are disciples of that man. Because of his "training" that he gave to some inner city ministers back in 1964 here in Rochester, we've had two generations of staged "victimhood" protests and those neighborhoods where the ministers are located have gotten worse, not better.

He decried the life of the average man for its hopelessness, but it seems like the new society they created is really not much different, and in many ways worse.

107 posted on 11/05/2008 4:50:24 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Expect the mindless herd of all talk no walk complainers (united by a shared hatred of Bush) to play the part of the victim as they supposedly watchdog the government that they control.
108 posted on 11/05/2008 4:51:57 PM PST by Milhous (Ask me about my Anger Management Disorder.)
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To: boxlunch
Yes, it would be a starting point. A point that any motivated conservative could begin with.

You see we didn't get to this point yesterday. This has been decades in the making. It will take several generations to undo. They didn't start out a big influential leftists. In the 1980’s they were the fringe, but we must admire their persistence to become accepted mainstream, and as of yesterday...a majority. They didn't face the opposition we will face, so we will not be successful with grand plans. It will be the small plans that will establish the roots.

We must look to be like the mustard seed. Perhaps there is a name...The Mustard Seed Academy?

109 posted on 11/05/2008 4:52:16 PM PST by EBH (The Day the Music Died)
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To: gundog
Why does anybody think this guy's brilliant?

Probably because the left has been kicking our asses with his tactics for over 50 years.

110 posted on 11/05/2008 4:54:17 PM PST by r9etb
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To: stayathomemom
What I recommend is classical Christian education. There are quite a few full time private and private/homeschool hybrids doing this already. It teaches kids to think critically, to express themselves well,gives them a Christian worldview and a great foundation in the Christian classics of philosophy and literature that shaped the thinking of our founding fathers (most of them had a similar type of education.)
111 posted on 11/05/2008 4:55:40 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: samsmom

No.

I am a conservative, and will remain so because I believe in treating people I interact with personally with respect by default, unless there are overt reasons not to. Alinsky’s ‘rules’ are a complete and total abdication of that.

If living in a society means I have to resort to that, I will change the society I live in.

I will not adopt such a hideous moral code.

Conservatism will win, in the end. It may be four years, 20 years or 100 years, but socialism CAN NOT PREVAIL. Socialism and everything that goes with it cannot stand on its own merits and will fail.

There will be much misery before we come out the other side, but we will come out the other side.


112 posted on 11/05/2008 4:57:38 PM PST by rlmorel (Who is Saul Alinsky and why is Barack Obama a disciple of his methods?)
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To: samsmom

BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!!

I’ve been say this for years. Conservatives come to the battlefield thinking that the can win by engaging in the “War of Ideas” where it’s really a battle on activism.

They use nukes; we fight by Marquee of Queensberry rules and wonder why we get trounced. For the love of God; It’s an effing blood sport!

“Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.” Sun Tzu


113 posted on 11/05/2008 4:58:56 PM PST by PurpleMan
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To: MeanWestTexan

I’ve been thinking the same thing for a while now. The problem is that while everyone on this board is a political junkie, at heart I believe we all really hate politics and wish it would just all go away so we could live in peace. Unfortunately, we are condemned by human nature to be ever vigilant to keep our “servants” from becoming tyrants. Given that that’s the case, I say we use their tactics against them. We just have to figure out how to do so effectively.


114 posted on 11/05/2008 5:12:15 PM PST by Hardastarboard (America is so "twenty minutes ago")
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To: wintertime
* Conservatives must start private sports leagues to break the monopoly of government schools on sports. It is the sports teams that attract so many of our conservative children to the government indoctrination camps.

Maybe aside from everything else we need to start emphasizing individual over team sports: fencing, boxing, tennis, judo, bicycle racing or whatever, ANYTHING is less expensive than major league football or basketball.

115 posted on 11/05/2008 5:22:43 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Red Boots
He decried the life of the average man for its hopelessness, but it seems like the new society they created is really not much different, and in many ways worse.

I've seen Alinsky tactics used here in Rochester, first hand. For sure, we need to know the tactics that are used by the radical/socialists, so we know what we're dealing with and how to counter them, but as a Catholic Christian, a Vietnam Era Veteran, a Patriot and a Conservative, I strongly advise conservatives to not embrace Saul Alinsky! His community organizing and training in Rochester, NY fostered generations of "victims" and an entrenched entitlement mentality in our inner-city neighborhoods.

116 posted on 11/05/2008 5:22:45 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: wintertime
We must **especially** take control of education!!!!!

I hope you're not in a hurry. The Marxists have been working on education for over 40 years. Sure, as a long term goal, fine, go after education, but we're going to have to fight an entrenched democrat Marxist teachers union, and the brain dead parents, themselves a product of said corrupted educational system.

But it ain't gonna get you anywhere in the mean time.

Other tactics will have to be employed.

117 posted on 11/05/2008 5:22:55 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: teletech

we need to find some now. rebuild and fight.


118 posted on 11/05/2008 5:24:19 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (If Benito Mussolini was IL DUCE, Barack Obama is ILL DOUCHE!)
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To: AFreeBird

Please read post #27 again.

What I am suggesting is an end run around the government schools.

Don’t send a conservative child to a government schools. We must open our own. Post #27 explains how.

The goal should be to SHUT DOWN as many government schools as possible. Put the Marxist teachers in the unemployment line!


119 posted on 11/05/2008 5:28:12 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Hardastarboard
The problem is that while everyone on this board is a political junkie, at heart I believe we all really hate politics and wish it would just all go away so we could live in peace.

You're absolutely spot-on, Hardastarboard! Quite frankly, I can't stand the political game. Most of us just want to live our lives and not worry about this stuff. That's why we get ambushed sometimes, as what happened with this election. We don't have government funded advocacy groups such as ACORN, to pay "volunteers" to aid and abet voter fraud. I'd rather we not resort to such tactics, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

120 posted on 11/05/2008 5:31:55 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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