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Conservatives, Time to Adopt Saul Alinsky Tactics
Discoverthenetworks.org ^ | April 2008 | John Perazzo

Posted on 11/05/2008 1:59:20 PM PST by samsmom

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To: samsmom
Nah, I plan to just let the bastards stew, and not to lift a finger to help a soul until they are gone.
51 posted on 11/05/2008 2:37:29 PM PST by JasonC
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To: wintertime
I agree. I think finding free or very low cost alternatives to government schools and breaking up the mass media are the two most important things to be done. I'm not sure we can take things back just by reorganizaing the Republican party, if this many people have been brainwashed into thinking dependency on the nanny state is a good idea. The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next. Abraham Lincoln

I've been trying to think of ideas for how to break the government school monopoly. Homeschooling and private schooling are great (my kids go to a hybrid of these two) but many can't afford or aren't cut out for that. So conservatives have GOT to figure out some alternatives and get organized on how to free these kids from the indoctrination camps that public schools have become. I was puzzling the other day about how it could be done, who would pay for it, etc. I'm in favor of vouchers, but think the chances are slim to none they would be enacted in the next four years. I also feel a little nervous about them because there is still government money involved. I would like to make private Christian education available for any child in the country who wants it. I wish we had a special forum for those at FR interested in talking about this idea.

52 posted on 11/05/2008 2:38:01 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: jonathonandjennifer
I've been listening and agree. He's one of the primary people who pushed McCain on us as well, ignoring for instance, how tough it would be for an elderly white man to defeat a youthful black man. During the general he was spelling his name on air:M E D V(for vindicated) E D, because he had received much criticism, from conservatives for his support of McCain, as if McCain's winning the primary somehow vindicated him. He must think conservatives, including his listeners, are stupid. One's pick has to win in the general before being vindicated and McCain lost. And so did Medved's credibility. And now he's trying to convince us that Obama's vapid speech was a good one adding insult to injury?

Will M E D V(for vindicated NOT)E D, ever admit he was wrong? No his huge ego and flawed character won't allow it. He hasn't even mentioned his involvement in pushing McCain on conservatives and Republicans who largely disliked him. And he's on the radio today acting like he's some kind of great leader in the conservative movement who has to cheer up the base after a tremendous loss that he helped orchestrate. Nauseating to say the least.

53 posted on 11/05/2008 2:38:15 PM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: broncobilly
Then you don't have the intestinal fortitude to use Alinsky’s tactics.

Comebacks are not “plotted”... they are engineered.

54 posted on 11/05/2008 2:39:00 PM PST by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: boxlunch

Correction to my post, I agree to what was said about freeing up government schools. I don’t agree with using Alinsky’s tactics.


55 posted on 11/05/2008 2:41:48 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: samsmom

As an old YAFer and proud member of the DC chapter of FR, I know that organizing and activism are important.


56 posted on 11/05/2008 2:44:48 PM PST by TBP
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* “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more live up to their own rules than the Christian Church can live up to Christianity.”[75] * “No organization, including organized religion, can live up to the letter of its own book. You can club them to death with their ‘book’ of rules and regulations.”[76] * “Practically all people live in a world of contradictions. They espouse a morality which they do not practice.… This dilemma can and should be fully utilized by the organizer in getting individuals and groups involved in a People’s Organization. It is a very definite Achilles’ heel even in the most materialistic person. Caught in the trap of his own contradictions, that person will find it difficult to show satisfactory cause to both the organizer and himself as to why he should not join and participate in the organization. He will be driven either to participation or else to a public and private admission of his own lack of faith in democracy and man.”[77]

In this passage, Alinsky is saying we should pound Obama for his words of “I am my brother’s keeper” and the facts we know about his brother and aunt.

Most of this stuff we should be able to turn around and use against him.


57 posted on 11/05/2008 2:49:03 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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Moreover, said Alinsky, whenever possible the organizer must deride his enemy and dismiss him as someone unworthy of being taken seriously because he is either intellectually deficient or morally bankrupt. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength,” said Alinsky.[79] He advised organizers to “laugh at the enemy” in an effort to provoke “an irrational anger.”[80] “Ridicule,” said Alinsky, “is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”[81]

Another “can-do-easy” piece of advice for handling Obama from his mentor. This stuff’s easy!


58 posted on 11/05/2008 2:52:05 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: samsmom

The one thing area where I totally disagree with Rush Limbaugh is his assertion that conservatives don’t do protest rallies, because we’re responsible citizens who have jobs, families, etc. This stance assumes that every liberal who shows up for a protest rally is a bum with no job.

I’m not saying that conservatives should constantly hold protest rallies over every litle thing that upsets us. But we should pick our spots and take to the streets in great numbers over certain issues that are important to us. For example, when the NY Times exposed information about tracking terrorists there should have been a massive protest in Times Square. And if the Democrats try to bring back the Fairness Doctrine, we need to do 5 million man march on Washington.

The problem is that we conservatives have no experience organizing these kind of rallies. We just accept the idea that America is a center/right country and everything will just fall into place for us. What we’re actually doing is giving up the moral high ground to liberals who come across as the only people who feel passionate enough about their beliefs to take to the streets to try to make the world a better place.

It also really bothers me how the Republican party is so pathetically sporadic when it comes to criticizing liberal bias in the media. There are conservative media watchdog groups that do painstaking work tallying liberal bias in the media. Would it kill Republican politicians to cite some of these statistics on a regular basis to remind voters that we’re not just being paranoid?

We have a media that is completely dedicated to propping up one political party and tearing down the other. And the Republican party acts like they better not complain about it too much or they’ll come across as cry babies. John McCain’s campaign was a textbook example of this kind of attitude.

The media has never had to work so hard to promote a candidate with so little experience and so many negative stories as they did with Obama. McCain could have had a field day pointing out all of the stories about Obama that the media tried to suppress. He had the ear of the American people, but he refused to do it.

The bottom line is that sitting around and waiting for a Jimmy Carter like failure on the part of a liberal president is not our only option. But we need the help of the big guns like Rush and the RNC. If they’ve got no incentive to change tactics, then I just don’t see how we can do it on our own.


59 posted on 11/05/2008 2:53:04 PM PST by The Fop (Just say NO to Jesus Lincoln King Jr.)
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To: TAdams8591

Last week I think I heard Medved say that back when he was a liberal he voted for Carter. Maybe you can’t ever recover totally from stupid.


60 posted on 11/05/2008 2:55:22 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: xcamel

You responded to my use of the word “plot.”
The key point was that we can do without your back stabbing.
Whether you plot or engineer, you don’t start by insulting, criticizing, and dumping everyone.


62 posted on 11/05/2008 2:55:53 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: boxlunch; wintertime
I too was thinking about the education aspect. How does textbook development and selection fit into this whole scheme as well as curriculum development? Hey, isn't that what Ayres and this Annenberg Challenge was about?
63 posted on 11/05/2008 2:57:03 PM PST by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: jonathonandjennifer

I wrote him an E-mail today and told him he needed to take a few more right turns.

And for some conservative converts it’s true. YOu are exactly right. A liberal residue, that can’t seem to be washed away, remains with them. In Medved’s case, it’s tactical as well.


64 posted on 11/05/2008 2:59:55 PM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: broncobilly

No, I insulted your cold maypo logic.

And I was being very specific, unlike the broad brush you’re using to pint yourself in a corner.

I sure when you gleefully reach across the isle, they’ll be happy to pull the pin on the hand grenade you got for all your trouble.


65 posted on 11/05/2008 3:02:11 PM PST by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: xcamel

Who said anything about reaching across the aisle?
I see you are not a rational person.
Go away.


66 posted on 11/05/2008 3:06:59 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: sandyeggo
He's very deceitful. I wouldn't be surprised.

I also think, no matter what he says at the end of every show about the U.S. being the greatest nation on God's Green earth, his primary concern is Israel and he's an Israel firster. Almost his entire family lives there. Michael lives here because it's where he makes his living, AND to press for continued U.S. support for Israel.

67 posted on 11/05/2008 3:08:19 PM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: broncobilly

Exactly the response I expected. Nothing ever changes with losers.


68 posted on 11/05/2008 3:11:45 PM PST by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: samsmom

Not Saul Alinsky’s tactis. Not his immorality.

We are to be “wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” That is how we are strong — love, truth, and sincerity.


69 posted on 11/05/2008 3:11:50 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com - www.etpv.org/whatsnew.html)
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To: samsmom

yup, agree 100%.

Its certainly time to use their bag of tricks on them for a change.


70 posted on 11/05/2008 3:13:03 PM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: rochester_veteran

an art teacher once told me that you have to know the rules to break the rules...and this article highlighes the rules for radical revolutionaries and points out the weaknesses and that’s where it needs to be exploited in order to combat it


71 posted on 11/05/2008 3:13:05 PM PST by scastle210
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To: stayathomemom; boxlunch; wintertime

http://oldfashionededucation.com/

While working with these older texts, I’ve discovered that they have a few advantages over modern books. First off, they have high expectations for their readers. These books haven’t been dumbed-down to a lower standard or watered-down to politically correct pabulum. Since most children will perform according to their parent’s expectations, it is vital that we maintain high educational standards. These books help parents achieve that goal.


72 posted on 11/05/2008 3:15:45 PM PST by EBH (The Day the Music Died)
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To: All

I have not read Rules for Radicals but I can only imagine the tactics it uses. Those would be some ideas to use obviously not the doctrine.

A couple of books I read this past year that give you a good idea on this though are by a guy named Robert Greene. They are 48 Laws of Power and the other is the Art of Seduction. The last one gives some good examples of those in history that mass seduced whole groups of people, including Countries.


73 posted on 11/05/2008 3:18:18 PM PST by Birch Barlow (Hollywood Left: The John Wilkes Booth wing of the Democrat Party)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Not talking about becoming a communist at all. Talking about organizing with like-minded citizens to take back our government using same tactics that work for the left.


74 posted on 11/05/2008 3:18:52 PM PST by samsmom
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To: scastle210

Exactly


75 posted on 11/05/2008 3:19:25 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: boxlunch

I work at a non-profit nature center. They offer classes all year round for kids K-12, and 8 week long weekly classes for toddlers. These are field trip type classes, so the kids are still in assorted schools. I’ve seen public and private classes take advantage of the programs.

They also offer in the summer, week long summer camps for the neighborhood kids. No overnight stuff.

The big summertime push though is 3 weeks in August. It is called summer reading camp. Here the kids read or are read to out of all kinds of nature related books. Some of those books classify in my opinion as indoctrinational. The reading camp is done by adult volunteers.

Here is the thought...we need to start smallish. Perhaps finding someone to take on a neighborhood afterschool program of reading, creationism, arts, etc. Books and such could be loaned or donated. Perhaps a church would be willing to host such activities as interdenominational. Advertise in church bulletins.

A nonprofit could be established to help forward this agenda.


76 posted on 11/05/2008 3:28:21 PM PST by EBH (The Day the Music Died)
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To: ETL
I don't want to win that way.

The question is not "Which way do you want to win?" The question is "Do you want to win?"


77 posted on 11/05/2008 3:28:56 PM PST by Cinnamontea
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To: jonathonandjennifer

I have to disagree strongly with Medved on this one. After years here in so-called Minnesota Nice and being addressed as a “Texas F-tard” (Many people in Minnesota seem to spend time in the DUmp), it’s time to take the gloves off. The time for civility is over. As far as I am concerned, it’s four years of war. Yes, demonize the Marxists (I refuse to refer to them as Democrats any more), get in their faces, hurt their little feeeelings!


78 posted on 11/05/2008 3:38:04 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: Fred Hayek

We need to fight back! Not become them but actually fight. The dems have been tearing down Bush from day 1 and we need to do the same. I’m so tired of guys like Bush or McCain thinking everyone is basically decent. McCain and the GOP should have been running ads of the dems fighting Fannie Mae regulations twenty four seven. They let Obama say the economic downturn is 8 years of failed Bush trickle down economics without answering. They should have been saying Socialism “Free House” caused this and you want more of the same. If we don’t start fighting it’s over and we will have two socialist parties


79 posted on 11/05/2008 3:44:54 PM PST by Pacothecat
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To: samsmom

So, tell us what to do to block these “Alinsky tactics” the Obama’s and company are using.


80 posted on 11/05/2008 3:45:53 PM PST by PeggyJoS
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To: wendy1946

Please read post #27


81 posted on 11/05/2008 3:49:14 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: stayathomemom

I too was thinking about the education aspect. How does textbook development and selection fit into this whole scheme as well as curriculum development?
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There is a lot of excellent homeschooling curriculum already available.


82 posted on 11/05/2008 3:50:31 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: samsmom

Did you seriously just say we should act like communist activists?

We should act like and use the tactics of Marxists?

And there’s people here that think this is a good idea?!?!?!?!


83 posted on 11/05/2008 3:51:29 PM PST by Khepri (NEO-STALIN FASCIST DEFEATS NEO-LIBERAL MAOIST!! How's that working for yah?)
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To: samsmom
...I'm reluctant to get into this issue, but, I took a course in college, Aberration and deviance in Society in 1971. The premise was, you can only effect change by radical extremes. Moderation will not change the status quo. The radicals then adopted the philosophy of organization of those that felt unable to find solutions, determine their destiny's, and then life would be wonderful living. Maybe conservatives should adopt these tactics and be more organized. But, beware of the organization you sign on with, the less personal freedom you may end up with. It's the now, that concerns me, not the later...
84 posted on 11/05/2008 4:00:16 PM PST by gargoyle (..."If this be treason, make the most of it.". Patrick Henry...)
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To: boxlunch
I was puzzling the other day about how it could be done, who would pay for it, etc. I'm in favor of vouchers, but think the chances are slim to none they would be enacted in the next four years. I also feel a little nervous about them because there is still government money involved. I would like to make private Christian education available for any child in the country who wants it.
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Please read post #27. This explains conservative voucher foundations.

Most Christian churches are not going to open schools. There are too many government teachers in the pews and ministers are not going to bite the hand that puts money in the plate.

Christian families ( with the minimal financial help of conservative education foundations ) should open loosely organized one-room school houses, homeschool cooperatives, and tutoring centers. The brick and mortor school should be abandoned. They are too expensive and have too many zoning an health regulations.

Also...Conservatives should use the liberal’s laws against them. If Muslims can have charters, then conservatives ( Christian and non-Christian) should open charters too.

85 posted on 11/05/2008 4:00:21 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: samsmom; MeanWestTexan; Obadiah; Mind-numbed Robot; A.Hun; johnny7; The Spirit Of Allegiance; ...
No.

It won't work.

It is impossible to do so and remain conservative, for the simple reason that radicals criticize, condemn, and complain about the people who take responsibility to get things done - without accepting any responsibility for actually accomplishing anything themselves. That is all that any radical such as Alinsky advocates, and it simply is impossible for conservatives to do it.

Furthermore, journalism has a symbiotic relation with radical politics for the simple reason that journalism doesn't take responsibility for getting things done either, and is best at criticizing those who do.


86 posted on 11/05/2008 4:02:52 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: samsmom

I said this yesterday and it’s great to see that others agree. However, we also need to adopt another tactics of our liberal friends, incrementalism. We need small victories on the local level. We can’t expect to win big in 2010 just because it’s happened before. We have to start in our local communities. School boards, city councils, and on to state houses. Show up at these meetings and raise hell! Use the Alinsky tactics. They were to be used against “the establishment” well based on last night’s results, the libs are “the establishment’ and they will become just as drunk with power as anyone else, thus primed for us to use the same tactics against them. I do believe however that we can apply Alinsky’s tactics in an ethical way. We don’t need to bomb buildings, etc. I love the chapter about the “S___T in” at Ohare, as an example of how to get attention. It never happened of course but a powerful metaphor. We can have this same impact if we will organize. We don’t have to compromise our integrity, but the tactics can still work.


87 posted on 11/05/2008 4:03:58 PM PST by CJAFL
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To: samsmom

I said this yesterday and it’s great to see that others agree. However, we also need to adopt another tactics of our liberal friends, incrementalism. We need small victories on the local level. We can’t expect to win big in 2010 just because it’s happened before. We have to start in our local communities. School boards, city councils, and on to state houses. Show up at these meetings and raise hell! Use the Alinsky tactics. They were to be used against “the establishment” well based on last night’s results, the libs are “the establishment’ and they will become just as drunk with power as anyone else, thus primed for us to use the same tactics against them. I do believe however that we can apply Alinsky’s tactics in an ethical way. We don’t need to bomb buildings, etc. I love the chapter about the “S___T in” at Ohare, as an example of how to get attention. It never happened of course but a powerful metaphor. We can have this same impact if we will organize. We don’t have to compromise our integrity, but the tactics can still work.


88 posted on 11/05/2008 4:04:49 PM PST by CJAFL
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To: samsmom

Sounds like what we need is an Al Quaida of the Conservative Right.


89 posted on 11/05/2008 4:05:17 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Def Conservative

The low road is the whole point - revolution is the goal, not the means to the end, etc.

When you talk to a moonbat, you are witnessing the creation of the unstable, neurotic golly knows what, whom is susceptible for even more manipulation. This indoctrination is started very early in some schools, to disorient the student rather than reinforce their good and noble upbringing by say, parents.


90 posted on 11/05/2008 4:11:18 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: EBH

A good idea, but I would start with a non-political non-religious topic, American History, aimed at the same audiences. It sounds non-threatening, but it will plant seeds in the minds of these future voters of the way America should be.


91 posted on 11/05/2008 4:12:00 PM PST by Betty Jane
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To: samsmom

Alinsky is a perfect example of why nutcases are so dangerous.

Anyway, people ARE “wise enough to diagnose their own problems, find their own solutions, AND (to some extent) determine their own destinies...”

That’s what education is all about, among other things. That’s why it is so hotly contested and under government purview apparently. Whoops.


92 posted on 11/05/2008 4:13:47 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: SumProVita

Do it your way. Just don’t stand in the way of the Wolverines.


93 posted on 11/05/2008 4:14:47 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: Clock King

I think our name (per the last thread) is “Wolverines”


94 posted on 11/05/2008 4:15:21 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: Freedom4US
This indoctrination is started very early in some schools,
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Please read post #27.

Also......

Conservatives should also identify bright students and mentor them with scholarships to **conservative** elementary and high schools, summer camps, internships, and conservative colleges. ( Just as Obama was mentored)

95 posted on 11/05/2008 4:15:40 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: ZULU

“Al Quaida of the Conservative Right”

Wolverines.


96 posted on 11/05/2008 4:19:00 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: TBP

Here are the Rules:

RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)


97 posted on 11/05/2008 4:20:24 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: Madeleine Ward

“Obama, The Various Reverends, they all got their nice houses. O got his sweet real estate deal.”

Obama got his on the backs of others, as did the ‘reverends’ - spreading the wealth to themselves, from others. You could pretty much say the same about Ayers, considering he is a terrorist who got off on a technicality that was more than likely bought with daddy’s money.

It sickens me that BO made it to the presidency.


98 posted on 11/05/2008 4:20:49 PM PST by Heart of Georgia (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: gargoyle
Maybe conservatives should adopt these tactics and be more organized. But, beware of the organization you sign on with, the less personal freedom you may end up with.

I agree that there's certain organizational tactics that are universal and work for all ideologies, but we need to be careful of who we throw in with and not to make a pact with the devil in order to regain political power. IMO, Alinsky's philophy is one we should be knowledgeable about but those of us with a sense of Christian morality should not adopt those tactics. Again, he was a Marxist. Do we adopt Stalin's tactics because they were effective (and lethal)? Hell no!

99 posted on 11/05/2008 4:21:09 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: EBH
I like this idea for a starting point. So you are saying they would continue in their present school, but in this after school program would get exposure, teaching, indoctrination, in the areas you suggested? Maybe also incorporate basic Christian teaching and readings from history story books so they get some of the Western history they are supposed to be learning in school.
100 posted on 11/05/2008 4:26:31 PM PST by boxlunch
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