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Barack Obama Birth Certificate is not real.
Various, Factcheck.org and snarkybites | 11/6/8 | Demosthenes

Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes

Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.

Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.

A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.

Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.

This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg

This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.

Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.

Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.

An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:

http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.

They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.

This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.

How very convenient.

Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?

Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.

His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.

Why hide it, Mr. Obama?

What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?


TOPICS: Government; US: Hawaii; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: barack; bc; bho2008; birth; birthcertificate; certificate; certifigate; colb; obama; obamafamily; obamagate; obamatransitionfile
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To: VigilantAmerican

pinging you to an interesting thread


151 posted on 11/06/2008 3:43:28 PM PST by jacquej
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To: Chief Engineer

I imagine those threats will get worse. Watch your back.


152 posted on 11/06/2008 3:44:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

It depends on whether I want to reveal my “sexual orientation” to the troll and whether I want to go bird watching instead of engaging in conspiracy theories! LOL


153 posted on 11/06/2008 3:46:01 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Gay State Conservative; Demosthenes

I believe all Gov Lingle is doing is to stress existing Hawaiian law on the matter. However the timing is interesting !


154 posted on 11/06/2008 3:46:18 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Chief Engineer

I hope that you hit “abuse”. Threats to Freepers are usually serious.


155 posted on 11/06/2008 3:51:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Demosthenes
First of all this is not new information. We've been monitoring this for weeks...

Unfortunately, what we may be seeing in this matter is the very first manifestation of dismissing the law and the protections and covenants of the Constitution in favor of propagandized protection of the State and our new leader and his lies and his image.

Welcome to Obamaland.

Think about it.

Berg has brought an action to the Supreme Court...

Notwithstanding what the Constitution says, does anyone really think that this Court is going to rule that Obama must open his records and produce a valid Certificate of Live Birth? Really?

This Court has already proved in some of its recent rulings (remember eminent domain) that there is much flexibility for liberal interpretation in the Constitution.

This Court will never rule against Obama in this matter, especially now, because he has just won a decisive victory at the polls.

Should they rule that he must show the ‘real deal’ and it is found that his Cert of Live Birth rendered him ineligible to run for President, but he did anyway, its over.

There would be civil war in the streets. I mean real blood shed... Real death and destruction that could and most surely would result in the serious destabilization of the government and the beginning of the end.

So, since they have all nature of technicalities to fall back on in any matter brought before them, the whole issue of Obama’s citizenship is just going to fade away.

The only chance of revealing the truth about this whole Obama BO thing must come from outside of the government.

Someone would have to break the law to find the truth. Someone would have to illegally access the records; or, break into the offices where the Obama birth records are maintained, filming the whole thing of course and steal the file (like in the movies) thereby exposing himself to prosecution and prison to deliver the goods and the truth,if it differs from what we've been told or whatever it is.

Then, if successful in getting this document, assuming that it is the real goods and Obama is proved to be a big fat liar, that person would have to find a CREDIBLE media source willing to air and reveal this document and expose the truth... and all of this must be done before the break in is discovered and the intruder is hauled off to jail and never heard from again.

Good luck with all of that. That stuff only happens in the movies.

Welcome to our new world... Obamaland...the USSA... Amerika.... Where truth only matters if it makes the State and Obama and the Democrats look good.. All other “truth” is outlawed...

If this wasn't so real and if it wasn't so scary, it might almost be humorous.

156 posted on 11/06/2008 3:53:11 PM PST by SterlingSilver (If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... its a duck!)
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To: offduty

There was an earlier thread, IIRC if O gets tossed before Dec 15 (EC vote) then the DNC gets to choose a replacement; if after Dec15 it’s up to congress to do it.


157 posted on 11/06/2008 3:54:34 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: DJ MacWoW

I put my “Ranger Smith” hat on and fed the troll erppppp bear, must be the closeness to Yellowstone that affected me! Since then the troll hasn’t taken the bait.


158 posted on 11/06/2008 3:55:55 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Cyclone59

Hawaii must have had PCs and laser printers long before they were invented.

Looks as phoney as a three dollar bill.

This is really UNFAIR to Schwartsnegger ya know!


159 posted on 11/06/2008 3:58:20 PM PST by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Chief Engineer
LOL!!!

The troll will be back. With friends.

160 posted on 11/06/2008 3:59:52 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: 1066AD

I don’t remember seeing anything in the Constitution that allows a political party to exchange a candidate after a general election. The State ELECTORS could choose to vote for another candidate, but then McCain could file suit as an injured party. I don’t think this is going to end as nicely as some people think. I also think if the SCOTUS chooses to disregard a very clear portion of the Constitution, especially one that is easily remedied (show the certificate) then how can you selectively enforce ANY law?


161 posted on 11/06/2008 4:00:48 PM PST by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: Demosthenes

btt


162 posted on 11/06/2008 4:00:55 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Campion

Sorry, I misread your post. It looked like you were saying tear the Military apart or tear the country apart Militarily. My bad.


163 posted on 11/06/2008 4:02:38 PM PST by Clock King (Radical Conservatives, arise!)
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To: 1066AD

Further, this could be done “in camera” The only people that would actually see the certificate would be the Justices. There is no need for the public to see the actual certificate, but the Justices could determine eligibility and rule accordingly.


164 posted on 11/06/2008 4:04:00 PM PST by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

My back is covered. A Republican Deputy Sheriff lives a few doors down from me, the Republican County Sheriff lives across the highway, I have a Republican Highway Patrolman living next door, and I live in a deep Red county in a red state. Everybody in my little town has a concealed carry permit and are well armed.


165 posted on 11/06/2008 4:05:05 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Demosthenes

BUMP


166 posted on 11/06/2008 4:06:02 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: conservativegramma

See my previous post, I misread the original. But seriously, would we really want to see that happen? I know it turns our stomach, but look again at the Barack’s acceptance speech. Specifically, look at the crowd, and not just Oprah and Jesse. People were sobbing uncontrollably. If by December, it were announced that he is no eligible, could you really deal with the riots and outright war that would follow? Our military would be fighting itself. Is it worth it?


167 posted on 11/06/2008 4:07:28 PM PST by Clock King (Radical Conservatives, arise!)
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To: Chief Engineer

Good. Some of these people are unhinged, I remember a Freeper working on something and his house burned.I’m sure you remember Chief.


168 posted on 11/06/2008 4:09:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: offduty
Further, this could be done “in camera” The only people that would actually see the certificate would be the Justices. There is no need for the public to see the actual certificate, but the Justices could determine eligibility and rule accordingly.

That would at least be better than what we have now.

169 posted on 11/06/2008 4:10:51 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: DJ MacWoW

Better stock up on protonix then this one is giving me heartburn! erpppppppppp oops excuse me.


170 posted on 11/06/2008 4:11:06 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Campion

No-

But what is possibly already treasonous and seditious is the security breaches that have taken place as recently as today with his CIA security briefing.

I find it hard to believe with what’s known of his background he can get even low level security clearance. If he can’t even validate the place of his birth and has access to the nation’s highest intelligence, this investigation can’t stop at the electoral college.


171 posted on 11/06/2008 4:12:06 PM PST by mikelike
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To: Chief Engineer

You are one lucky “dude”!


172 posted on 11/06/2008 4:13:02 PM PST by jacquej
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To: Clock King

maybe


173 posted on 11/06/2008 4:13:25 PM PST by babubabu
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To: babubabu

hi D - our wives like those Crissy dolls


174 posted on 11/06/2008 4:17:29 PM PST by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Clock King

I’m not so sure, This is a story that has been around for months. If anything the anger could be directed at the Dems and Obama for foisting a fraud on the country. I could understand the outrage if this were a new issue, but it’s not. The Dems could have had time to replace Obama with Hillary as the front runner and they still would have had the White House. Now, it’s possible they could be shut out for 4 more years because of the deceit and ego of “The One”


175 posted on 11/06/2008 4:17:45 PM PST by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: Demosthenes

Actually I think we should still be hitting on this.


176 posted on 11/06/2008 4:20:36 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Clock King

“Let’s not talk about this. It is treason and sedition. And lets do our best to keep FR around.

No, it is not. Treason can only be applied during war and sedition is not an act when upholding the Constitution. Refusing to uphold the Constitution is sedition!


177 posted on 11/06/2008 4:25:33 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Clock King

The country is tearing apart already. Better now than when the SOB’s are fullly entrenched.


178 posted on 11/06/2008 4:25:56 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Clock King
If by December, it were announced that he is no eligible, could you really deal with the riots and outright war that would follow? Our military would be fighting itself. Is it worth it?

Preserving our constitution and our republic is worth everything! Its sad you can't see that.

What would happen if we DON'T preserve our constitution is WORSE than any riots and outright war. If our SCOTUS don't uphold the constitution and demand that Obama prove his eligibility.......then from this point forward ANY foreign national (INCLUDING OSAMA BIN LADEN) can march into the USA, run for President, NEVER HAVE TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP, and waltz into the White House with enough money. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?

179 posted on 11/06/2008 4:29:20 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma

I’m going to go out on a limb here and offer a possible answer as to why a (R) Gov and friend of Palin would ‘seal’ this certificate.

What if by ‘sealing’ it she is preventing tampering with the thing????? Even Obama can’t get to it.

Only a court order ‘unseals’ it and she’s waiting for that court order KNOWING lawsuits are going to come from those with REAL STANDING - i.e., ELECTORS as opposed to mere citizens such as Andy Martin or Berg.

Just a thought.

Time to get to the bottom of this issue, one way or another.

There better be a guard on the Gov to protect him from the O-Thugs.


180 posted on 11/06/2008 4:32:17 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: housewife101
Looks like BO has to respond by December 1.
181 posted on 11/06/2008 4:34:49 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Chief Engineer

Can I be your neighbor?


182 posted on 11/06/2008 4:37:01 PM PST by jusduat (thinking about new tagline)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Because it shows that his moon is in the Seventh House?

And his Jupiter aligns with Mars, too, I guess...

183 posted on 11/06/2008 4:38:14 PM PST by Ulysses ("Most of us go through life thinking we're Superman. Superman goes through life being Clark Kent!")
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To: Red Badger
Don't be ridiculous, of course it would make a difference, it negate the whole election and it would open the eyes of a lot of dumb a**es who voted for him also. Oh, not the died in the wool lefties, they don't care if he is legal or not, but the ones who were duped would be screaming about it.

How the he** anyone could think it wouldn't make a difference is beyond me.

184 posted on 11/06/2008 4:38:25 PM PST by calex59
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To: jusduat; Chief Engineer
Can I be your neighbor?

LOL!!!!

185 posted on 11/06/2008 4:40:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Chickensoup

I was wobbeling on a wing today as well. I was and am reading some pretty convincing things.


186 posted on 11/06/2008 4:40:32 PM PST by katiekins1
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To: Gasshog

oops mistaken indenity, wrong babu


187 posted on 11/06/2008 4:41:37 PM PST by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Demosthenes
Not to sound too suspicious or like I have my tin foil hat on backwards, but before I say anything else, may his grandmother rest in peace. Ok, now I will sound suspicious, as he is so shy about sharing details that candidates are required(?) to show.

He went to Hawaii rather suddenly, coincidentally just as the Berg lawsuit was public news. His grandmother wasn't reported to be ill until that moment and then dies rather suddenly after his short visit to see her.

And, given his comfortable lead (not due to any fraud, I'm sure), why not take some extra time with her, his voters would certainly understand, in fact, such devotion to family would usually endear a candidate even more to his/her supporters.

Tin foil hat or no, this doesn't sound right to me. I've been around enough people who liked to hide things to see the same patterns with him. It's like, if we knew the truth, either voters wouldn't have voted for him or he wouldn't be legally qualified. Besides, if he was legally a citizen, then what a great "gotcha" to shut up the critics. But that didn't happen...something's not right about this. Not right at all.

188 posted on 11/06/2008 5:01:46 PM PST by GBA
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To: MN Doc

I was under the thought that the originals were scanned for distribution. At least that what mine from 1965 look like - a scanned original.


189 posted on 11/06/2008 5:05:00 PM PST by Cyclone59 (It is amazing how people are comforted by percentages)
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To: Red Badger

Somewhere there is another honorable Democrat, like Philip Berg who brought the lawsuit challenging Obama’s status in Pennsylvania.


191 posted on 11/06/2008 5:18:23 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics)
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To: GBA
then what a great "gotcha" to shut up the critics.

I expected that too. Does he still need that ace up his sleave? is he expecting another "Joe the Plumber" question moment he can make hay about it with the "gotcha"? It all seem surreal.

192 posted on 11/06/2008 5:18:49 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“Apparently we have chosen quiet discomfort and servitude rather than rising up in defiance”

Now your talking!


193 posted on 11/06/2008 5:25:44 PM PST by bricklayer
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To: kkalman

It wouldn’t matter. Hawaii was a territory, and therefore part of the US.


194 posted on 11/06/2008 5:33:22 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics)
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To: GBA

Now that’s bizarre. As soon as I posted this comment, my DSL connection no longer would respond. Now it’s kind of working/not working. This happened once before and it was the equipment at their office that was the problem. They reset my line and all was good again. Maybe all my posts should be about my love for the One instead of the anti-Obama posts I usually make. But that would be paranoid...


195 posted on 11/06/2008 5:42:09 PM PST by GBA
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To: sandyeggo

Bo Sr and Stanly Ann had a “male child” born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa Kenya on the same day he claims to be born. Three Certified copies of this birth Certificate were brought to this country. Berg has one and the other two have been placed in “safe hands”

Paternal grandmother and two half siblings have sign affidavits that they were there.


196 posted on 11/06/2008 5:43:32 PM PST by hoosiermama
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To: offduty

You are right - an amazing Constitutional question. And if SCOTUS ever hears the case, I hope to be there, I live right outside DC (12/1/08 is just the deadline for Obama’s response to Berg’s suit).

If Obama was found ineligible, the next set of eligible electors is for McCain. Presumably, they would vote 538-0.

As for Biden, I think he could make the case for his electors being eligible - but SCOTUS would have to decide. If they were determined eligible, I would assume they would vote Biden VP at the current Electoral College count. The Electoral College votes for POTUS and VP separately (12th Amendment).

If Obama was ineligible and Biden was declared null and void (as a result of the FULL ticket being voided), then the next set of eligible electors is for McCain/Palin. They would be seated and presumably vote 538-0 for both McCain and Palin.


197 posted on 11/06/2008 5:46:10 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56
“If Obama was ineligible and Biden was declared null and void (as a result of the FULL ticket being voided), then the next set of eligible electors is for McCain/Palin. They would be seated and presumably vote 538-0 for both McCain and Palin.”

Wow, think of the TV audience this could generate — enough viewership to save the networks (and maybe a few newspapers)?

198 posted on 11/06/2008 5:53:49 PM PST by hiho hiho
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To: sandyeggo
Ed Hale confirms they are in possession of Certified copies of Obama Kenya Birth Certificate. 3 people risked their lives to get them. ...
199 posted on 11/06/2008 5:55:59 PM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Crystal Cove

Source please.


200 posted on 11/06/2008 5:56:49 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics)
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