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Barack Obama Birth Certificate is not real.
Various, and snarkybites | 11/6/8 | Demosthenes

Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes

Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.

Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.

A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.

Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:

This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.

This is an image from of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:

This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.

Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.

Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.

An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:

And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.

They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.

This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.

How very convenient.

Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?

Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.

His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.

Why hide it, Mr. Obama?

What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?

TOPICS: Government; US: Hawaii; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: barack; bc; bho2008; birth; birthcertificate; certificate; certifigate; colb; obama; obamafamily; obamagate; obamatransitionfile
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To: AlexW

It’s because he was born of Immaculate Conception. If that got out it would be kind of embarrassing...

41 posted on 11/06/2008 1:54:30 PM PST by skikvt (Blah Blah Blah.)
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To: gunnedah

Sad, but when the law is no longer enforced, justice is gone and must be restored.

cant quote it verbatim in 1776-ese,,, but the line about “when a long series of actions reveal a design to reduce you to servitude”,,,

Isnt it amazing,,, you could be investigated for posting the declaration of independence and saying you mean it literally and currently.

42 posted on 11/06/2008 1:54:30 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Demosthenes

I’m thinking that since there was a birth certificate to seal (can you seal a record that doesn’t exist?) that he was born in the US, however there’s probably something ON the certificate that he’d rater the public NOT see.. like Father: Unknown, or that he changed his name from Barry to Barack... or even better.. changed his middle name. Either way.. the more we harrass him, the better I like it.. it’s THEIR turn now!

43 posted on 11/06/2008 1:54:30 PM PST by Dubya-M-Dees (Gun clingin' God Fearin pissed off redneck.)
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To: Reagan79

And if they did, they’d we’d have 2012 easily - except it would be by a RINO candidate.

44 posted on 11/06/2008 1:55:43 PM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: sandyeggo
IMO, Once the Gov. of Hawaii got involved, clearly there must have been something that had to be covered up.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and offer a possible answer as to why a (R) Gov and friend of Palin would 'seal' this certificate.

What if by 'sealing' it she is preventing tampering with the thing????? Even Obama can't get to it.

Only a court order 'unseals' it and she's waiting for that court order KNOWING lawsuits are going to come from those with REAL STANDING - i.e., ELECTORS as opposed to mere citizens such as Andy Martin or Berg.

Just a thought.

45 posted on 11/06/2008 1:56:03 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: Demosthenes

API, is that you?

46 posted on 11/06/2008 1:56:08 PM PST by RobertoinAL
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To: DesertRhino

Is anybody really willing to go to war over this? because I’m quite sure there would be a blood bath. Mostly theirs but still.

47 posted on 11/06/2008 1:57:24 PM PST by refermech
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To: Demosthenes

Thank you for your research and this thread! Do not apologize. I’m pretty ticked off at those who say, “well, it’s too late now”, or “this is old news”, etc.

Folks, this isn’t a joke, this is serious. For those who don’t give a crap, then I hope you’ll be happy in the future when yet another candidate for public office and simply refuse to provide their birth certificate and still be elected.

Obama is now going to be not only the president but the Commander in Chief! Dear God, people, how can you not care! The troops that will be taking orders from this man had to show their birth certificates in order to enlist in the military. Military men and women, and a whole host of other positions, had to show their birth certificate AND have a complete background check done on them in order to obtain security clearance.

Obama has NOT shown his birth certificate and his family, friends and associates alone are enough of a reason that he would NEVER have been allowed to obtain security clearance in this country.

48 posted on 11/06/2008 1:58:37 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: TexasCajun

I find the font rather interesting for 1963 Arial not Times Roman aka typewriter. Hmmmmm, Hawaii must have had PCs and laser printers long before they were invented.

49 posted on 11/06/2008 1:58:59 PM PST by Cyclone59 (It is amazing how people are comforted by percentages)
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To: RetiredArmy
It makes a difference to these guys.

Vice presidential Candidate (Drake) filing lawsuit against Obama

In another unrelated action, though also aimed at forcing Obama to release proof or step down, 24 potential Electoral College electors are filing action Monday morning in court also demanding proof.

50 posted on 11/06/2008 1:59:18 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: The Californian

This could cause a Constitutional crisis of unheard of proportions. Technically it is up to the Electoral College to certify that the “president” is qualified to assume the office. According to Article Xll, the electors of the state shall cast their ballot for President and Vice-President and send them to the House where they are counted. The person with the largest total of Electoral votes is the President.

Now, lets look at this scenario. Suppose Obama is found not to be eligible to hold the office of President. Does that automatically make Joe Biden President? Maybe not. All of the popular vote for President and Vice President are made by one vote. You can’t split a vote and have a Democrat President and a Republican Vice-President. But, of all the votes cast, how do we know the voter was actually voting for Joe Biden? The voter wasn’t allowed an option to vote for Obama and not vote for Biden.

If Obama, being a Constitutional lawyer knew he was ineligible to hold the office, the whole election is a fraud. Does this now mean we have a do-over? Can campaign contributors have recourse to have their financial donations returned?

As for the Dems saying Oh well, let’s change the Constitution, it still requires RATIFICATION by a 2/3 majority of the States. What do we do in the meantime?

If you remember, the ERA was proposed as a Constitutional amendment and if memory serves the States only have 2 years to ratify. The clock ran out and so did the Amendment.

Any Constitutional scholars out there care to voice an opinion?

51 posted on 11/06/2008 1:59:35 PM PST by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: The Californian

Honestly, I think ALL Candidates, regardless of Party, should have All that Info Publicly available. That would include ALL Medical Records (not some redacted thing) ALL Legal and Arrest records, Tax records, and their Birth Certificates.

Set a deadline at most 3 months before the election, after which, if all the required records aren’t made available, for whatever reason, the candidate is declared ineligible to run, and another candidate is chosen.

As I said, straight across the board, and that would include Presidental Candidates, Vice Presidental Candidates, Congressional Candidates, and Governors.

In the case of VP Candidates, since they are chosen later, their info should be made publicly available when they are named as the Candidate.

53 posted on 11/06/2008 2:00:22 PM PST by Lord_Baltar
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To: Demosthenes
With all the resources at his disposal, I don't know why he doesn't just put out a better fake document. His team are a bunch of bullies, but they are not very smart.

I guess braun is beating brains in this election.

54 posted on 11/06/2008 2:00:27 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Start the AIP- American Independence Party)
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To: Demosthenes

“Please forgive me for rehashing this...”


55 posted on 11/06/2008 2:00:35 PM PST by Bunkasaurus
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To: TexasCajun
Obviously the Certificate of Live Birth was issued after 1961 because of the font. Everyone used typewriters throughout the entire decade of the 60’s as in the second certificate. I do not believe that there were any typewriters that were using font like the one on the Obama certificate until the last twenty years. Even when selectric typewriters came out, they used the font of the sixties. I worked at one of the BIG accounting firms in the country in the mid-seventies with some of the most current document abilities at the time and I do not believe that even then there would have been this sort of font available to the state for these sorts of documents.
56 posted on 11/06/2008 2:01:15 PM PST by madinmadtown (BO stinks..)
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To: Demosthenes

It’s too late. Even if it is true, if he is disqualified, then it would literally tear the US apart. I believe that the entire US government would go along with the lie in order to prevent that. Their jobs and lives depend on it. Even patriots would go along with it because they wouldn’t want to the US torn apart. We’ll just have to suffer at least 4 years and then maybe in 20 years the truth will out.

57 posted on 11/06/2008 2:02:02 PM PST by Clock King (Radical Conservatives, arise!)
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To: TexasCajun
The form with the hospital name and attending physician is the standard birth certificate. That's what we're asking Obama to produce. It's an inexpensive, minor document request. Easy for any native born citizen of the U.S. to produce. No need for a team of high powered lawyers to cover up...unless he isn't a native born citizen.
58 posted on 11/06/2008 2:02:06 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Demosthenes

Cut and paste the above link...I’ve heard this attorney is a crack pot...but have found his information substantiated by several other sources. I honestly don’t think anyone cares about this(anyone who can DO anything about it)...but it is interesting.

59 posted on 11/06/2008 2:03:52 PM PST by housewife101
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To: BushMeister

You can register a foreign BC in Hawaii. The BC that’s in HI could say Kenya. It could say a lot of things. He was adopted by Soetoro so who knows what it says.

60 posted on 11/06/2008 2:04:28 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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