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Barack Obama Birth Certificate is not real.
Various, and snarkybites | 11/6/8 | Demosthenes

Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes

Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.

Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.

A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.

Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:

This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.

This is an image from of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:

This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.

Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.

Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.

An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:

And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.

They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.

This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.

How very convenient.

Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?

Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.

His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.

Why hide it, Mr. Obama?

What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?

TOPICS: Government; US: Hawaii; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: barack; bc; bho2008; birth; birthcertificate; certificate; certifigate; colb; obama; obamafamily; obamagate; obamatransitionfile
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To: Demosthenes

I’ve put two posts up about this:

The first post mainly concerns Berg’s petition that is currently at SCOTUS.

The second concerns the fact that Obama MUST comply with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA).

IRCA compels ALL employers (in this caes, the Federal Government) to verify employment eligibility - usually through 3 forms of ID. I did when I got my job at MCI in the 1980’s. And, employers need to verify it.

ALL Federal Job Applications have this stipulation ... “the IRCA Act of 1986 must be complied with”. POTUS is a Federal position. And, in this case, it also has a natural born citizen requirement.

If Obama fails to produce his BC - he would be in violation of IRCA. If the Federal Government fails to verify, it would be in violation of IRCA.

Any employer recently fined and/or jailed for using illegal aliens could raise immediate grounds for reversal based on 14th Amendment Equal Protection and also discrimination violations if IRCA is not followed.

61 posted on 11/06/2008 2:04:59 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: Demosthenes

I suspect he might have been born in 1959, just prior to Hawaii being admitted to the union. That is why they are hiding it.

62 posted on 11/06/2008 2:05:54 PM PST by kkalman
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To: gotribe

The dems have pulled off what amounts to a coup. If they can create and ignore this consitutional crisis, then there is nothing in the constitution that they won’t run roughshod over. Someone needs to take a stand and do what is right. Obama needs to step aside.

63 posted on 11/06/2008 2:05:55 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Start the AIP- American Independence Party)
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To: Red Badger

***Even if it showed he was born on MARS, it would make absolutely no difference now...............***

He hasn’t been sworn in yet.

64 posted on 11/06/2008 2:06:15 PM PST by kitkat (THE DAY WE LOSE OUR WILL TO FIGHT IS THE DAY WE LOSE OUR FREEDOM.)
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To: madinmadtown

If you look real close at the COLB, you’ll see about 2/3 of the way down the page a very faint “2007” in reverse, like it was stamped on the back side of the paper. So this was obviously printed a lot later than the 60’s

65 posted on 11/06/2008 2:07:47 PM PST by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: Demosthenes
The US Constitution doesn't apply anymore. Article Two's POTUS eligibility requirements are no more important to Obama as the 1st or 2nd Amendments. The addition of a few more activist Supremes should finish off the document once and for all for the new socialist rule. The new second bill of rights will provide all the important stuff; housing, medical, food, premium cable, and lattes for all.
66 posted on 11/06/2008 2:08:27 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: refermech

Just an observation here, in the colonies, say a year or two before the revolutionary war began, could anyone really have told you when the spark would flash into a flame?

Could anyone predict it would be the day the British decided to take “X” specific action?

All i know is that many people would fight at some totalitarian point. I just dont know what that point is.
But i do know, we have things we hold very dear,,,and Obama and his marxists hate those very things. This cannot go on forever, and they want what we hold dear.

67 posted on 11/06/2008 2:09:13 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Clock King
Even patriots would go along with it because they wouldn’t want to the US torn apart.

Some things are worth fighting the rule of law.

68 posted on 11/06/2008 2:09:47 PM PST by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: refermech
Is anybody really willing to go to war over this? because I’m quite sure there would be a blood bath. Mostly theirs but still.

Our forefathers were. Apparently we have chosen quiet discomfort and servitude rather than rising up in defiance.

69 posted on 11/06/2008 2:11:09 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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To: JoeA

***This is not over yet. The electors have not met to elect the President. It is within their power to de-certify Obama as not being eligible, and to choose someone else.***

Good thought!

70 posted on 11/06/2008 2:11:11 PM PST by kitkat (THE DAY WE LOSE OUR WILL TO FIGHT IS THE DAY WE LOSE OUR FREEDOM.)
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To: TexasCajun

I thought his mother was younger.

71 posted on 11/06/2008 2:11:38 PM PST by Krodg
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To: kkalman

Hawaii was a territory. If he was born in 1959, he would be eligible to run for president.

72 posted on 11/06/2008 2:13:17 PM PST by carton253 (So this is how liberty ends - with thunderous applause.)
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To: offduty

This could get ugly – quickly.

Here’s the full deal for SCOTUS (it is lengthy):

SCOTUS could TOTALLY IGNORE the issue and refuse to hear the case, citing lack of standing, but I think that they won’t. If they ignore this, then they might as well throw the Constitution out the window. It wouldn’t be worth the paper its written on. Anyone could then thumb their nose at the Constitution. I think they have to hear the case and demand the birth certificate.

Assuming Obama is found ineligible:

1. If BEFORE the Electoral College meets, McCain’s electors from all States would be seated (since Obama would not have been qualified) and the vote would be 538-0 (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 3). This would happen because Obama would not have been qualified to run in the first place. Biden might be VP since the 12th Amendment provides for the separate election of POTUS and the VP. SCOTUS MIGHT rule that Biden’s election was valid. Biden would be eligible and his electors would elect him. Thus, a McCain/Biden term. If SCOTUS ruled the entire Obama/Biden ticket invalid, then Palin would become VP (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 3 and the 12th Amendment). Palin’s electors from all States would be seated (since the Obama/Biden ticket would not have been qualified) and the vote would be 538-0. Thus, a McCain/Palin term.

2. If AFTER the Electoral College meets and certifies him, but BEFORE inauguration, the 20th Amendment provides that, if before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, the President-Elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-Elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified. The same scenario as in (2), above, would then likely apply.

3. If AFTER inauguration, the 25th Amendment would apply and Biden would be President and choose his VP (with Senate confirmation). However, McCain might be able to sue – based on fraud and demand that the scenario provided in (2), above, be applied. Or, barring that, a new election.

4. Of course, SCOTUS could decide to avoid (1), (2), and (3), above, by declaring a fraudulent election and ordering a new one with verified eligible candidates. This would necessitate the implementation of Continuity Of Government laws – allowing Bush to remain POTUS until the election. Probably with the caveat that no new laws be passed in the interim.

73 posted on 11/06/2008 2:15:07 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: TexasCajun

That (lower) Certificate of Live Birth looks like my wife’s. She was born in Honolulu in ‘61. This article explains why the one that was posted online purporting to be Obama’s is an entirely different format.

74 posted on 11/06/2008 2:16:04 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Demosthenes

One reason would be that it might interfere with taking over the country and destroying the Constitution. We predict that even if he was not entitled under the Constitution to run for President no one is going to be allowed to do anything about it.

75 posted on 11/06/2008 2:16:24 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: MoreGovLess
Attention everyone! The case is already being considered in the SCOTUS!

Go to:

and click on previous pages to read the legal documents.

76 posted on 11/06/2008 2:16:47 PM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Cyclone59

FWIW, that’s not ever been claimed to be a copy of the original birth certificate. That’s a “certification” of live birth, based on the computerized data base of the original records, which is what Hawaii currently provides for people to establish proof of birth, as for Social Security and passports. Since it’s a computer-generated representation of the data on file, it’s not unreasonable for it to be in a modern computer font.

77 posted on 11/06/2008 2:18:34 PM PST by MN Doc
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To: DesertRhino

I agree, I’m getting madder and madder. But how would a bunch of disjointed armed people be a capable force. Would the armed forces support us? If not we would lose for sure. Scary times
and I’m 55 now and not nearly as brave.

78 posted on 11/06/2008 2:19:15 PM PST by refermech
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To: big'ol_freeper
This is hugh and series!! Why haven’t we hurd this before?

Do they seriesly mean obama hasn't shown his real BC yet?

79 posted on 11/06/2008 2:19:38 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Clock King

It is not too late to do the right thing. We either “tear” the country apart now or we let the Obamanation do it via a - Weaker Military, Extreme Left wing SC appointments and Higher Taxes.

Take your choice Fight now or later!

80 posted on 11/06/2008 2:21:16 PM PST by TNoldman
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