Skip to comments.Barack Obama Birth Certificate is not real.
Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.
Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.
A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.
Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:
This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.
This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:
This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.
Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.
Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.
An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:
And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.
They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.
This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.
How very convenient.
Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?
Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.
His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.
Why hide it, Mr. Obama?
What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?
This could cause a Constitutional crisis of unheard of proportions. Technically it is up to the Electoral College to certify that the “president” is qualified to assume the office. According to Article Xll, the electors of the state shall cast their ballot for President and Vice-President and send them to the House where they are counted. The person with the largest total of Electoral votes is the President.
Now, lets look at this scenario. Suppose Obama is found not to be eligible to hold the office of President. Does that automatically make Joe Biden President? Maybe not. All of the popular vote for President and Vice President are made by one vote. You can’t split a vote and have a Democrat President and a Republican Vice-President. But, of all the votes cast, how do we know the voter was actually voting for Joe Biden? The voter wasn’t allowed an option to vote for Obama and not vote for Biden.
If Obama, being a Constitutional lawyer knew he was ineligible to hold the office, the whole election is a fraud. Does this now mean we have a do-over? Can campaign contributors have recourse to have their financial donations returned?
As for the Dems saying Oh well, let’s change the Constitution, it still requires RATIFICATION by a 2/3 majority of the States. What do we do in the meantime?
If you remember, the ERA was proposed as a Constitutional amendment and if memory serves the States only have 2 years to ratify. The clock ran out and so did the Amendment.
Any Constitutional scholars out there care to voice an opinion?
Honestly, I think ALL Candidates, regardless of Party, should have All that Info Publicly available. That would include ALL Medical Records (not some redacted thing) ALL Legal and Arrest records, Tax records, and their Birth Certificates.
Set a deadline at most 3 months before the election, after which, if all the required records aren’t made available, for whatever reason, the candidate is declared ineligible to run, and another candidate is chosen.
As I said, straight across the board, and that would include Presidental Candidates, Vice Presidental Candidates, Congressional Candidates, and Governors.
In the case of VP Candidates, since they are chosen later, their info should be made publicly available when they are named as the Candidate.
I guess braun is beating brains in this election.
“Please forgive me for rehashing this...”
It’s too late. Even if it is true, if he is disqualified, then it would literally tear the US apart. I believe that the entire US government would go along with the lie in order to prevent that. Their jobs and lives depend on it. Even patriots would go along with it because they wouldn’t want to the US torn apart. We’ll just have to suffer at least 4 years and then maybe in 20 years the truth will out.
Cut and paste the above link...I’ve heard this attorney is a crack pot...but have found his information substantiated by several other sources. I honestly don’t think anyone cares about this(anyone who can DO anything about it)...but it is interesting.
You can register a foreign BC in Hawaii. The BC that’s in HI could say Kenya. It could say a lot of things. He was adopted by Soetoro so who knows what it says.
I’ve put two posts up about this:
The first post mainly concerns Berg’s petition that is currently at SCOTUS.
The second concerns the fact that Obama MUST comply with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA).
IRCA compels ALL employers (in this caes, the Federal Government) to verify employment eligibility - usually through 3 forms of ID. I did when I got my job at MCI in the 1980’s. And, employers need to verify it.
ALL Federal Job Applications have this stipulation ... “the IRCA Act of 1986 must be complied with”. POTUS is a Federal position. And, in this case, it also has a natural born citizen requirement.
If Obama fails to produce his BC - he would be in violation of IRCA. If the Federal Government fails to verify, it would be in violation of IRCA.
Any employer recently fined and/or jailed for using illegal aliens could raise immediate grounds for reversal based on 14th Amendment Equal Protection and also discrimination violations if IRCA is not followed.
I suspect he might have been born in 1959, just prior to Hawaii being admitted to the union. That is why they are hiding it.
The dems have pulled off what amounts to a coup. If they can create and ignore this consitutional crisis, then there is nothing in the constitution that they won’t run roughshod over. Someone needs to take a stand and do what is right. Obama needs to step aside.
***Even if it showed he was born on MARS, it would make absolutely no difference now...............***
He hasn’t been sworn in yet.
If you look real close at the COLB, you’ll see about 2/3 of the way down the page a very faint “2007” in reverse, like it was stamped on the back side of the paper. So this was obviously printed a lot later than the 60’s
Just an observation here, in the colonies, say a year or two before the revolutionary war began, could anyone really have told you when the spark would flash into a flame?
Could anyone predict it would be the day the British decided to take “X” specific action?
All i know is that many people would fight at some totalitarian point. I just dont know what that point is.
But i do know, we have things we hold very dear,,,and Obama and his marxists hate those very things. This cannot go on forever, and they want what we hold dear.
Some things are worth fighting for...like the rule of law.
Our forefathers were. Apparently we have chosen quiet discomfort and servitude rather than rising up in defiance.
***This is not over yet. The electors have not met to elect the President. It is within their power to de-certify Obama as not being eligible, and to choose someone else.***
I thought his mother was younger.
Hawaii was a territory. If he was born in 1959, he would be eligible to run for president.
This could get ugly quickly.
Heres the full deal for SCOTUS (it is lengthy):
SCOTUS could TOTALLY IGNORE the issue and refuse to hear the case, citing lack of standing, but I think that they wont. If they ignore this, then they might as well throw the Constitution out the window. It wouldnt be worth the paper its written on. Anyone could then thumb their nose at the Constitution. I think they have to hear the case and demand the birth certificate.
Assuming Obama is found ineligible:
1. If BEFORE the Electoral College meets, McCains electors from all States would be seated (since Obama would not have been qualified) and the vote would be 538-0 (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 3). This would happen because Obama would not have been qualified to run in the first place. Biden might be VP since the 12th Amendment provides for the separate election of POTUS and the VP. SCOTUS MIGHT rule that Biden’s election was valid. Biden would be eligible and his electors would elect him. Thus, a McCain/Biden term. If SCOTUS ruled the entire Obama/Biden ticket invalid, then Palin would become VP (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 3 and the 12th Amendment). Palin’s electors from all States would be seated (since the Obama/Biden ticket would not have been qualified) and the vote would be 538-0. Thus, a McCain/Palin term.
2. If AFTER the Electoral College meets and certifies him, but BEFORE inauguration, the 20th Amendment provides that, if before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, the President-Elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-Elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified. The same scenario as in (2), above, would then likely apply.
3. If AFTER inauguration, the 25th Amendment would apply and Biden would be President and choose his VP (with Senate confirmation). However, McCain might be able to sue based on fraud and demand that the scenario provided in (2), above, be applied. Or, barring that, a new election.
4. Of course, SCOTUS could decide to avoid (1), (2), and (3), above, by declaring a fraudulent election and ordering a new one with verified eligible candidates. This would necessitate the implementation of Continuity Of Government laws allowing Bush to remain POTUS until the election. Probably with the caveat that no new laws be passed in the interim.
That (lower) Certificate of Live Birth looks like my wife’s. She was born in Honolulu in ‘61. This article explains why the one that was posted online purporting to be Obama’s is an entirely different format.
One reason would be that it might interfere with taking over the country and destroying the Constitution. We predict that even if he was not entitled under the Constitution to run for President no one is going to be allowed to do anything about it.
and click on previous pages to read the legal documents.
FWIW, that’s not ever been claimed to be a copy of the original birth certificate. That’s a “certification” of live birth, based on the computerized data base of the original records, which is what Hawaii currently provides for people to establish proof of birth, as for Social Security and passports. Since it’s a computer-generated representation of the data on file, it’s not unreasonable for it to be in a modern computer font.
I agree, I’m getting madder and madder. But how would a bunch of disjointed armed people be a capable force. Would the armed forces support us? If not we would lose for sure. Scary times
and I’m 55 now and not nearly as brave.
Do they seriesly mean obama hasn't shown his real BC yet?
It is not too late to do the right thing. We either “tear” the country apart now or we let the Obamanation do it via a - Weaker Military, Extreme Left wing SC appointments and Higher Taxes.
Take your choice Fight now or later!
The Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, has issued a statement saying that she did not seal Obama’s birth certificate, certificate of live birth, or any other documentation relating to his birth. The report of this are false.
Which document are you speaking of? The first one is obviously they type you’d get if you ordered 1 to replace a lost original, or to provide a file copy. The latter one is an original, typewritten form from the early ‘60s.
Why does a state provide that document instead of a photocopy of the original, or a printout from microfiche or however they might be storing it? Don't they have to have access to the original in order to create this document?
The obama one was printed in 2007. You can see the stamp through the paper. It is not a birth certificate.
YES! Obama has stonewalled and sued for dismissal with every single lawsuit. He has yet to show ANYONE his real BC. WHY????
With that said, who says the dims and 0bama intend to abide by The Constitution anyway?
I think the real issue here isn’t the COLB, which is quite obviously phony, the real issue here is whom is going to take the responsibility for cities getting burnt down and people murdered.
Granted, I have a limited understanding of the law in HI.
However, I think that what the Gov did was a shrewd political move. Provides Republicans cover - so if there *is* a problem with the document, it was "Sealed. No one could possibly have tampered with it." Also, she has the "I'm just enforcing the law as it exists today" argument on her side.
Further, it brings the subject even farther out into the public eye, and forces people beyond the political junkies here to talk about it.
Good move. Lingle is a Republican, I believe, and friendly with Palin. I think that if she's involved, it's on the up-and-up.
Nope. You can register a foreign BC in Hawaii.
I tried writing the US Justice Dept and all I got was a “thank you for writing us.” The only thing that will get the ball rolling is a national protest that gets the emails and phone calls flooding the offices of thumb sitters.
I don't think thats relevant -- Hawaii being a US Territory at the time.
Let’s not talk about this. It is treason and sedition. And lets do our best to keep FR around.
The birth certificate shown at (Post 29) would have been filled out at the U.S. Army Tripler General Hospital. Most likely with a typewriter.
See my post 89 (posted before I read yours....). Great Minds, and all that. :-)
Then stay off these patriot threads noob.
Dear God, help us here!!
WHOA! Its treason and sedition to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION!?!?!
What are you drinking, and can I have some?
Also it helps stop leaks and rumors of leaked birth certificates. That way you don’t get in a situation like in Ohio where Democrat operatives who are state employees suddenly found the need to examine Joe the Plumber’s state records and release them to the press.
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