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Historians: Bush presidency 'battered,' 'incompetent,' 'unlucky'
CNN ^ | Thursday, November 7, 2008 | Ed Hornick

Posted on 11/06/2008 4:21:15 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

(CNN) -- With record low approval ratings and intense criticism for his handling of the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina and the economy, the word most used to label George W. Bush's presidency will be "incompetent," historians say.

"Right now there is not a lot of goodwill among historians. Most see him as a combination of many negative factors," said Julian Zelizer, a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School.

"He is seen as incompetent in terms of how he handled domestic and foreign policy. He is seen as pushing for an agenda to the right of the nation and doing so through executive power that ignored the popular will," he added.

But like so many presidents before him, Bush's reputation could change with time.

Harvard University political history scholar Barbara Kellerman said when President-elect Barack Obama takes over in January, people may view Bush in a new light.

"I think it's possible when people have stopped being as angry at the Bush administration as they are now ... that they will realize that some of this is just ... the luck of the draw."

Kellerman, author of the book "Bad Leadership: What It Is, How It Happens, Why It Matters," noted that Bush has not had luck on his side for the past eight years.

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"Bush is often compared to Harry Truman, whose reputation improved over history"
1 posted on 11/06/2008 4:21:15 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
These historians are full of Bravo Sierra.
2 posted on 11/06/2008 4:22:52 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: MinorityRepublican
He won. You aren't going to. And it is all Obama's fault.
3 posted on 11/06/2008 4:22:57 PM PST by JasonC
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To: MinorityRepublican

A little early for evaluations, IMO.


4 posted on 11/06/2008 4:23:16 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: MinorityRepublican
...when President-elect Barack Obama takes over in January, people may view Bush in a new light.

Oh, really, ya think?

5 posted on 11/06/2008 4:24:08 PM PST by ducdriver (Quantum potes tantum aude.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Our objective media, rubbing the salt in.


6 posted on 11/06/2008 4:25:15 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Any real historian wouldn’t be talking about Bush while he was still in office. History isn’t the “now” it is the past!!

Those that do aren’t historians!!

(Where are the names of these “historians”?)


7 posted on 11/06/2008 4:27:24 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

When Obama finishes destroying the country, they will still blame Bush.


8 posted on 11/06/2008 4:27:51 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: MinorityRepublican

All I know for sure is this...show of hands...who thought we were ABSOLUTELY going to get hit again? If you didn’t raise your hand, you’re lying like a Democrat.

I rest my case for telling Bush critics to STFU.


9 posted on 11/06/2008 4:28:08 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Swahili for "Aligator mouth, Jaybird ass."")
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To: MinorityRepublican

That’s great to hear Zeliza bash Bush. After all, he is a Prof at the WOODROW WILSON school. I guess it takes one to know one...


10 posted on 11/06/2008 4:28:29 PM PST by henkster (Lawyers will lead the Marxist revolution, armed with subpoenas...)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I will NEVER forgive the mediPUKERS because they were the ones who attacked him 24/7 calling him a lair and many more things. When his poll numbers skyrocketed after 9-11 the mediaPUKERS were determined to bring him down and accuse him of starting a war by himself ignoring the RATS who also voted with him. I LOATHE THEM I HATE THEM THE MEDIAWHORES INCLUDING FOX CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!! Let's see how satan their god will treat them there...I'll tell you it won't be no picnic!
11 posted on 11/06/2008 4:28:41 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: MinorityRepublican
8 years of MEDIA and DEM Bush bashing...Fortunately, these folks will die off and history will recognize him as a successful leader in the war on terror...which is not over.

The Clinton's never upped USA security after the 1993 hit ON AMERICAN SOIL (not one little bit)...embolding the terrorists!!

12 posted on 11/06/2008 4:29:08 PM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No terrorists attacks on US since 9-11.
Recovered from the recession inherited from Bubba.
Two emerging democracies in the middle east.
Missile defense deployed.

I guess none of those things were on the “historians” lists.


13 posted on 11/06/2008 4:30:32 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah.)
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To: ducdriver
...when President-elect Barack Obama takes over in January, people may view Bush in a new light.

So true. Just as soon as they realize Barack Obama cannot be picked up by the "clean end".

14 posted on 11/06/2008 4:33:00 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Too early for evaluation!

President Bush was handed an economic recession from the Clinton years and then 9/11 which was a disasterous blow to an economy already in recession. Those NASDQ losses were in the 98-99 years.

The rest, the constant battering from the left and the media which was unconscionable will go down in history as a hideous example of out-of-control partisanship.

The “stolen” election which wasn’t, Katrina and the democrat Governor who had everything at her disposal on her command as governor and didn’t use it because she froze, and everything else incompetent in LA isn’t mentioned, I see.

Also not mentioned is the demise of a sacred tradition that politics stops at the water’s edge.
The democrats in Congress, Former President Bill Clinton, and others used the media in foreign countries to bash Bush to politicize their cause for the future.

President Bush’s presidency was unlucky. Everything that could have happened, did.

The current economic problems have their origins in the Clinton admin, although this admin helped it along.

I am glad he was there. He’ll be written as a good president, not great, but good for the times.

*In about 200 years....


15 posted on 11/06/2008 4:33:31 PM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The Sec. Defense, Joint Chiefs of Staff, the SCOTUS, and Congress should, in a joint ceremony, present W with the highest medals of military distinction in recognition his stalwart bravery and success at home and victories abroad in this early chapter of the War On Terror.

16 posted on 11/06/2008 4:34:10 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: MinorityRepublican
All this proves is setting yourself up as the left’s punching bag is a really really bad idea. Says nothing about how Bush will be judged by historians.

Republicans and Conservatives might ask themselves, why didn't Bush defend himself against the scrupulous unjustified attacks? Good question. Bad results for Republicans.

17 posted on 11/06/2008 4:35:26 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles freedom, liberty and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Such high praise. They said worse about Reagan.


18 posted on 11/06/2008 4:36:10 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: MinorityRepublican
I have another few adjectives - "maligned, slimed, misrepresented, and deliberately lied about." But then anyone at CNN would know all about that from that company's editorial policies.

Current "historians" are little different from journalists. It isn't "history" until enough time has gone by to assess it in context of what went before and what came afterward. Chou En Lai once made a remark about the French Revolution's importance - "It's too early to tell."

Nevertheless, we have a steady line of Bush haters, even here on FR, triumphantly trumpeting the risible illusion that they've had the last word. The presumption is amusing. In time the idiocy will be as well.

19 posted on 11/06/2008 4:40:07 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: OpusatFR

You’re spot on. Some of Bush’s problems were self-inflicted, some was just bad luck, but most was a media hit-job that started the day he took office.

It’s impossible to tell how he’ll be viewed in 50 or 60 years, but one thing is certain; The hit-job will continue full-steam-ahead for the next 4 years or longer. Bush will be blamed for everything that goes wrong in Barry’s New Amerika. It is going to be very painful to watch.


20 posted on 11/06/2008 4:40:14 PM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey

When we are hit, it will be Zero’s fault.

Mark my words.

He’s already contributing to the lawlessness by just being elected based on the expectations of being all things to every person on the planet.

The disappointment will be breathtaking to behold.


21 posted on 11/06/2008 4:43:49 PM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I think historians may find that THESE are the good old days.


22 posted on 11/06/2008 4:43:53 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I can't agree with the way Bush handled Illegal Immigration.

OTOH, he kept this Country safe for 8 years. He didn't disgrace his wife, family and country, the Oval Office like Bill Clinton did.

Bush was and is an honorable man. God Bless Him.

sw

23 posted on 11/06/2008 4:46:41 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife (Please, Pres. Bush, Pardon Ramos and Compeon)
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To: Jeff Head

I absolutely agree....the media spent the past 7+ years portraying W in the worse light possible - wanting to destroy him - and never mind the effect it had on this country....they will now spend the next 4 years upholding Hussein and protecting all of his screw ups....and of course, everything he does wrong will still be blamed on W.....


24 posted on 11/06/2008 4:47:14 PM PST by BamaDi (Jindal/Steele - my new choice!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The same scumbags, as well as the Drive By Media are ready to put Obamaramla-ding-dong on Mt Rushmore already.


25 posted on 11/06/2008 4:51:32 PM PST by Feckless (En Temps)
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To: MinorityRepublican
obama was not elected; he stole the election, with the help of ACORN and MoveOn.org.

Isn't it about time for soros' expiration date to be up?

26 posted on 11/06/2008 4:53:43 PM PST by Constitution1st (Never, never, never quit - Winston Churchill)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This historian has never, ever, not once, been contacted by any of these organizations for his opinion on Pres. Bush’s administrations.


27 posted on 11/06/2008 4:54:19 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: OpusatFR

In the few cases where people have asked me, as a history professor, to rate Bush, I tell them that two years into his successor’s term (at the time, didn’t know who it would be), George W. Bush, for all his faults, will be FONDLY remembered.


28 posted on 11/06/2008 4:56:06 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: MinorityRepublican

katrina was a failure of city of no and state of louisiana

but promoted on tv as a racist failure of president bush.


29 posted on 11/06/2008 5:00:17 PM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If Bush was for gay marriage and pro-abortion, none of those fools would’ve given two flips about Iraq.


30 posted on 11/06/2008 5:02:23 PM PST by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

Yep, way to early for this. Dims will blame Bush for as long as they can. I expect something along these lines from 0: “Bush left things in much worse shape than even I expected so I can’t do, bla bla bla.”


31 posted on 11/06/2008 5:02:33 PM PST by Need4Truth
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To: MinorityRepublican
Bush 1 gave us Clinton because of a crappy economy!
Bush 2 gave us Obama because of a crappy economy!

No chance for a Bush 3 since thanks to them there won't be a democratic nation anymore. Thanx George's!

32 posted on 11/06/2008 5:05:18 PM PST by Bommer ( Republican Party - RIP!)
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To: spectre

350000 illegal immigrants were returned to where ever this year, and no media coverage. Have you ever noticed that big media stopped covering White House Press briefings after incompetent Scott McClellan left, and competent Tony Snow and then Dana Perino took over.

The media silence regarding Bush’s work in the White House has been beyond imagining. Practically a total blackout. People think he has done “nothing.”

I believe that his voice irritated the White House reporters - the folks who choose the clips to use on radio and tv - as much as Obama’s voice irritates me. So these “journalists” played his voice as little as possible, assuming that no one in America would want to be subjected to listening to it. We used to hear Clinton say something every hour on the hour.

Ann Compton who does the ABC radio reports every hour, sometimes allows listeners to hear about four words in a quote, and then she tells the listeners the rest of what GWB has said.


33 posted on 11/06/2008 5:12:56 PM PST by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: LS

I will bet you a case of your favorite beer or wine that by Summer 09, the wheels will have completely come off the country and dodging thugs will be a national past-time.

I’d say mid-July 09 by the looks of things.


34 posted on 11/06/2008 5:13:14 PM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Sometime in the next 50 years, W will be regarded as a near great president. He will be recognized as the one who led the fight to save western civilization from the islamofascists, as the first western leader to recognize the threat posed by islam to civilized people everywhere.


35 posted on 11/06/2008 5:16:19 PM PST by muir_redwoods (B. O. Stinks!!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Kearns-Goodwin, Beschloss, Brinkley, Ifill: Objective biographers?
Chapters remaining (and will continue to remain) blank:

"Who's Barry's Daddy?"
"How Barry Got an Indonesian Passport"
"How Bary Traded in an Indonesian Passport for a Red Senate Passport"
"How an 'American' Traveled to Pakistan in the 1980's When Pakistan Wasn't Accepting Americans"
"Lies From Barry's Bar Association Application: What's in a Name?"
"How Barry Put an Entire Illinois State Senate Office Through a Tree-Chipper"
"Larry and Barry: A Wild Limo Ride in Gurnee"
"Columbia: Barry's Grades, Barry's Benefactors, and Barry's Friends: Ayers-The Early Years"
"ACORN: From a Small Nut, a Large Red Oak"
"Alinsky's Principles and Barry: The Formative Years"
"What Land Deal? Who is Rezko?"
"How to Improve Schools by Making Them Worse: Annenberg Money Down a Rat Hole"
"How to Attend a Church for 20 Years and Not Hear Anything"
"How Barry Helped Solve the Murder of a Beloved Choir Director, OJ Style"
"How Barry Brought Chicago-Style Machine Politics to Washington: Handouts, 'Walkin's Around Money', Muscle, and Bagmen"

36 posted on 11/06/2008 5:20:30 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: muir_redwoods

In general, presidents are remembered for foreign policy-—unless it is LBJ, whose twin legacies are Vietnam and the Great Society. Bush’s failures in domestic policy will fade somewhat and his successes in foreign policy will be magnified, particularly when the truth is learned of how he dismantled the worldwide Islamic terror machine.


37 posted on 11/06/2008 5:20:40 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: RoseofTexas

Amen, Rose!

I feel it in my heart that one day in the future, God will reward President Bush and he will be vindicated.


38 posted on 11/06/2008 5:22:13 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: MinorityRepublican
Historians: Bush presidency 'battered,' 'incompetent,' 'unlucky'

After 4 years of Obama Marxism and foreign policy weakness, the historians are going to give GWB glowing reviews!

39 posted on 11/06/2008 5:23:10 PM PST by avacado
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To: MinorityRepublican
With record low approval ratings and intense criticism for his handling of the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina and the economy, the word most used to label George W. Bush's presidency will be "incompetent," historians say.

One wonders what words will be used to describe 9% Nancy and the do-nothing Congress???

40 posted on 11/06/2008 5:25:08 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

“A little early for evaluations, IMO.”

Publishers make schools buy new, updated books every few years. Kids will start learning all of this about the Bush administration effective pretty much immediately. Whether or not enough time has passed for a fair evaluation, an evaluation has been made all the same.


41 posted on 11/06/2008 5:25:48 PM PST by COgamer
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To: LS

“This historian has never, ever, not once, been contacted by any of these organizations for his opinion on Pres. Bush’s administrations.”

How many textbooks are you writing that will be read by school children all over the nation? The ones that are writing the books, and making their opinions known, and in so doing indoctrinate the next generation, are the ones with the power. They are, consequently, the ones who will be interviewed.


42 posted on 11/06/2008 5:28:17 PM PST by COgamer
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To: OpusatFR

Bush is like Truman who left with very low poll ratings, Korea War was viewed as an unnecessary war and was refer as “Truman’s War”. By the mid 1970’s people revisited Truman and conclude he was a good President because he was the first to deal with the Soviet threat. The rise of a modern, prosperous and now democratic South Korea exonerates his decision and the sacrifice of the American soldiers.


43 posted on 11/06/2008 5:33:32 PM PST by Fee
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To: Jeff Head

I remember “historians” saying much the same when Reagan left office.


44 posted on 11/06/2008 5:35:06 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: OpusatFR
"Also not mentioned is the demise of a sacred tradition that politics stops at the water’s edge. The democrats in Congress, Former President Bill Clinton, and others used the media in foreign countries to bash Bush to politicize their cause for the future."

And that I will never forgive the Democrats for doing! And Obama going to Berlin frikin' GERMANY and bashing the USA I will never forgive him for doing.

Your entire post was excellent!

45 posted on 11/06/2008 5:41:13 PM PST by avacado
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To: MinorityRepublican

I have only two problems with W.

1.) He spent too much.
2.) He didn’t spend enough time communicating his agenda directly like Reagan did.

Historians will chronicle him as a near great president. Unless they’re honest then he’ll be a great president.

Look at some of his acclomplishments:

1)Roberts
2)Alito
3)No attacks for 8 years
4)Economic prosperity against all odds
5)Second Amendment affirmed as an individual RIGHT.
6)Liberated 50 million people from tyranny
7)Stem cell research position. I haven’t seen this for a while but that was a good decision back in 2001 I think.
8)Laura Bush is the classiest First Lady since Barbara and before then I don’t know when.
9)First manly president since Teddy Roosevelt and Ike Eisenhower(Sarah Palin might have extended the run)
10)A clarity of vision not seen since Lincoln (unfortunately not communicated well enough).


46 posted on 11/06/2008 5:41:25 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (Am I foolish to explain things? He had such trouble with my name.)
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To: COgamer
Actually, my textbook IS used at dozens of colleges, widely used in high school AP classes, and overwhelmingly used by homeschoolers. It's in its 5th printing (plus audio) already.

You might read it some day. A Patriot's History of the United States. And it's not the first book I have used in college classes: my previous book, The Entrepreneurial Adventure: A History of Business in the United States is used in business history classes all around the country and is out of print, due to come out next fall in a new edition.

Next question?

47 posted on 11/06/2008 5:50:53 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: MinorityRepublican
I loathe W. But I pray history will be kinder to him than I have been.
48 posted on 11/06/2008 5:51:14 PM PST by LiberConservative (Obama voter: "We gonna get PAID!!!!")
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To: AZ .44 MAG

I agree with you that President Bush has the most vision since President Lincoln. He viewed America as a nation no longer divided just as our current President viewed the Middle East where freedom will reign because it is God’s gift to humanity. I think the World will view his legacy favorably once Iraq becomes stable and prosperous. Even President-elect Obama can’t screw up that one, thanks to our President, Al-Qaeda is virtually decimated.


49 posted on 11/06/2008 5:57:14 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Names Ash Housewares

patriot act... homeland security.. tax cuts.. libya.. destruction of al queda network... formed new policy about not allowing terrorists to be harbored in any foreign country..

Bush will go down in history as one of the greatest.. although he did spend too much with help of congress..


50 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:50 PM PST by outlawjake
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