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What's Happening In Minnesota?
Powerline ^ | November 7, 2008 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 11/07/2008 2:47:02 PM PST by Caleb1411

When the polls closed Tuesday evening, Minnesota's Secretary of State's office showed that Norm Coleman had a 725-vote win in his closely contested race against Al Franken. By the next morning, however, Coleman's victory was already shrinking. As various precincts and county auditors have "corrected" their totals, Coleman's lead has dropped to a mere 237 votes. Minnesota Republicans are concerned that the fix may be in.

An example of the kind of thing now going on was reported in today's Minneapolis Star Tribune:

Just as Secretary of State Mark Ritchie was explaining to reporters the recount process in one of the narrowest elections in Minnesota history, an aide rushed in with news: Pine County's Partridge Township had revised its vote total upward -- another 100 votes for Democratic candidate Al Franken, putting him within .011 percentage points of Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman.

The reason for the change? Exhausted county officials had accidentally entered 24 for Franken instead of 124 when the county's final votes were tallied at 5:25 Wednesday morning.

Currently, the Minnesota Secretary of State's office shows the Franken's total in Partridge Township as 129, not 124. Still, the Partridge story is the most coherent explanation we've gotten so far as to why vote totals have repeatedly been adjusted to Franken's advantage.

Optical scan ballots are used nearly everywhere in Minnesota. The system is simple: once the polls close, absentee ballots are run through the machines with Republican and Democratic poll watchers both present. The machines are then locked down. The machine prints a tape that looks like a grocery store printout that summarizes the number of votes cast for each candidate in each race. At the same time, the totals are uploaded electronically, via a secure phone line connected to the box, to the county where the precinct is located; from there, they are reported to the Secretary of State. The tape showing the precinct's vote totals is signed by the precinct's election judge and is required to be publicly displayed.

There is essentially no human input here. There is no room for new ballots to be "discovered," or for counting "errors" to be corrected. The process is electronic. My understanding had been that optical scan voting is in use in every one of Minnesota's several thousand precincts. Based on the Strib's account of what happened in Partridge Township, it appears this may not be the case.

Some very basic questions need to be answered. What are the precincts that have allegedly "corrected" the vote totals they originally reported? On what basis were the alleged corrections made? Did both Republicans and Democrats participate in the alleged corrections? Have the original paper ballots been securely maintained since the polls closed? What assurances are in place to prevent Democrats from fraudulently adding new paper ballots? Do the precincts that have revised their vote totals use the optical scan system that is, as I understand it, nearly universal? If not, why not? If so, what do the ballot machines' tapes show? If the totals now being claimed are inconsistent with the tapes that were signed by the precinct's election judges, on what basis can they be accepted? Why is it that each "correction" seems to favor Franken?

The Coleman campaign has reportedly dispatched volunteers to try to guard the security of ballots in some locations. The danger, of course, is that they could already be too late. Minnesota's Secretary of State, a left-wing activist who was elected in 2006 after MoveOn.org and other nationwide groups targeted the Minnesota Secretary of State race, has yet to certify vote totals. If fraud is to be committed, it most likely has taken place already, or will occur before the recount begins.

UPDATE: Hot off the press, the first apparent evidence of fraud. Last night at around 7:30, a precinct in Mountain Iron, St. Louis County, mysteriously updated its vote total to add 100 new votes--all 100 for Barack Obama and Al Franken.

Mountain Iron uses optical scanning, so the Coleman campaign asked for a copy of the tape documenting the ballots cast on election night. St. Louis County responded by providing a tape that includes the newly-added 100 votes, and is dated November 2--the Sunday before the election. St. Louis County reportedly denies being able to produce the genuine tape from election night, even though Minnesota law, as I understand it, requires that tape to be signed by the election judges and publicly displayed.

Maybe there is some legitimate explanation for these events, but I haven't thought of one yet. More to come.


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1 posted on 11/07/2008 2:47:03 PM PST by Caleb1411
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To: MplsSteve

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2 posted on 11/07/2008 2:47:25 PM PST by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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To: Caleb1411

If Franken steals it, it will almost be worth it to see the IDIOT he makes of himself

His a TOTAL ass clown


3 posted on 11/07/2008 2:49:46 PM PST by kauaiboy (Obama is a islamomarxist plant)
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To: Caleb1411

Lyndon Johnson’s 1948 primary victory, revisited.


4 posted on 11/07/2008 2:49:54 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Caleb1411

Minnesota is a cold commie enclave. The fix is in. The failed comedian will be the junior senator. The biggest joke is on all the doofasses that voted for him and on all those who didn’t bother to go out and vote against him.


5 posted on 11/07/2008 2:50:22 PM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: Caleb1411
FURTHER UPDATE: The Minneapolis Star Tribune has this explanation: Reporter Mark Brunswick has talked to election officials for Mt. Iron and the county, and here's what they say: The precinct officials called in the correct results on Election Night: 506 for Franken, 211 for Coleman. But the county incorrectly wrote down 406 for Franken, 211 for Coleman. And that's what was reported to the Minnesota Secretary of State's office. Wednesday night, the Secretary of State website showed a 100-vote increase for Franken in Mt. Iron, Pct. 1. The Coleman camp's Cullen Sheehan says the timestamp on the ballot machine's vote total reads: "11/02/2008″ That's two days before the Nov. 4 election. A county official told Brunswick that the machine's clock must be incorrect. When they tested a machine in Mt. Iron Pct. 2 in late October, running test ballots through to make sure the machine was working properly, it also showed an incorrect date on the printout. And the printout from that Pct. 2 machine in Mt. Iron on Election Night, when it printed out the final vote tallies that remain unchanged, also shows an incorrect timestamp of Oct. 31. Several of these assertions are subject to verification. One thing I don't understand is why local officials called the results in to St. Louis County, which then wrote them down by hand. Precinct 1 in Mountain Iron, according to the Minnesota Secretary of State's web site, uses an optical scanner. So the results should have been uploaded electronically to St. Louis County. Is there some reason why that system was not functioning? So far, I've seen no explanation. Also, the tape that was printed off the optical scanner after the polls closed on November 4 should have been signed by the election judges, both a Republican and a Democrat. Did this happen? Obviously, the tape that was given to the Coleman campaign wasn't signed. But somewhere there should be a Republican election judge who can shed light on what happened.
6 posted on 11/07/2008 2:54:45 PM PST by astyanax (If you need to wear a mask while speaking your mind, it is probably best you remain silent...)
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To: Caleb1411

Well in Florida in 2000, a large number of outraged Republicans stormed the offices of the vote counters. I don’t remember if it was Dade County or West Palm or somewhere else. But it was beautiful to watch.

They stopped the fraudulent activities that were going on there.

An angry mob of enraged Republicans is beautiful to watch.


7 posted on 11/07/2008 2:54:52 PM PST by eCSMaster
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To: Caleb1411
If you want to know how it's going to turn out, just look at the WA State Gubernatorial race in 2004. The script has already been written.
8 posted on 11/07/2008 2:56:30 PM PST by Sopater (I'm so sick of atheists shoving their religion in my face.)
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To: Caleb1411
Why is everyone surprised by this? ACORN did it successfully in 2004 in the Washington State gubernatorial race (Gregoire-Rossi), and they just did it here in Oregon in the US Senate Race (Merkley-Smith). They're getting better at it every time they successfully pull it off.

Needless to say, it's only going to get worse and more blatant, now that they're going to have an advocate in the White House :-(

9 posted on 11/07/2008 2:58:08 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Caleb1411

What are we going to do about the massive cheating in this country?


10 posted on 11/07/2008 3:00:33 PM PST by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: Caleb1411

Here’s one thing I’ve wondered about: surely it should be possible to review the pattern of changes or “corrections” after the original vote totals were submitted and study them in comparison with the party affiliation of the officials involved etc.

It should not be the case that all of the “corrections” are favoring one candidate, right? If numerous precincts have “corrections” that all favor the Demagogue candidate then that should be a prima facie indication that something suspicious is going on....


11 posted on 11/07/2008 3:00:38 PM PST by Enchante (Sarah Palin is Worth Infinitely More to Us than Any Vicious RINO Anonymous Staffers)
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To: shankbear

I know a lot of conservatives who voted for Barkley, the Independent candidate, in protest of Norm’s status as a moderate.

Not the right time, especially against such a Left-Wing loon like Al Franken


12 posted on 11/07/2008 3:01:52 PM PST by Seven Minute Maniac
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To: Caleb1411
Minnesota's Secretary of State, a left-wing activist who was elected in 2006 after MoveOn.org and other nationwide groups targeted the Minnesota Secretary of State race, has yet to certify vote totals

Such foresight. Apparently about to pay huge dividends.

13 posted on 11/07/2008 3:02:29 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Caleb1411
Typical of the Nazi Democrats when they steal elections which they do on a regular basis.
14 posted on 11/07/2008 3:05:15 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Caleb1411

As with the Governors race in the state of Washington a few years back, recounts will continue until Franken has enough to win.


15 posted on 11/07/2008 3:06:23 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: kauaiboy
If Franken steals it, it will almost be worth it to see the IDIOT he makes of himself

Doubt he'll show up for work once he realizes how small he'll be as part of 100 -- and a new part.
He just wants to go on all the same shows with "Sen." in front of his name.

16 posted on 11/07/2008 3:08:34 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter. Before the late bell. When I close the door.)
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To: Bellflower

Wasn’t it Thomas Jefferson who talked about the blood of patriots being the natural manure (term for compost/fertilizer in those days) of the Tree of Liberty?

Maybe he mentioned the blood of the tyrants as well.

I don’t see any other solution.


17 posted on 11/07/2008 3:08:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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18 posted on 11/07/2008 3:13:13 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: shankbear

To have this nitwit making decisions about our troops, economy and the hundreds of things the Senate votes on is just plain scary. In a way, the fact that he almost won, just about says it all for this election.


19 posted on 11/07/2008 3:13:22 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Caleb1411

This has already happened before. Thune Vs. Johnson in 2002. We went to bed and our guy is up significantly, then a boatload of votes show up from Indian country and Johnson wins. Funny how it’s always lib votes that show up the next day somehow.


20 posted on 11/07/2008 3:13:41 PM PST by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: Caleb1411

What is the republican party doing to assist this seat holder against this obvious election theft? Nothing? Seems typical of this gutless party. How the hell is it that every mistake and new found vote aides franken’s total, but not a single vote for Coleman? I mean WTF, what a ****ing farce. Welcome to the end of the United States.


21 posted on 11/07/2008 3:14:28 PM PST by chris37
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To: astyanax

There is truly something smelly about the explanation given by election official in Mountain Iron.

I hope the Coleman campaign (along with the state GOP) raises some holy hell about this.


22 posted on 11/07/2008 3:15:10 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: Caleb1411
St. Louis County responded by providing a tape that includes the newly-added 100 votes, and is dated November 2--the Sunday before the election. St. Louis County reportedly denies being able to produce the genuine tape from election night, even though Minnesota law, as I understand it, requires that tape to be signed by the election judges and publicly displayed.

I was a poll watcher, and we have in Alabama what I assume are the same machines (or very similar).

1) The machines are plugged in 30 minutes to one hour before the polls open.

2) The ballot container is opened and verified to be empty.

3) The ballot counter on front of the machine is verified to read zero.

4) A tape (similar to a cash register tape) is run which shows all vote counts for all seats and all other issues to be zero.

5) The tape is checked and verified. This tape is not to be torn or detached from the machine until the final tabulation at the end of the day.

6) The voting occurs during the day.

7) Voting is closed.

8) The precinct inspector locks the machine and pushes a button which runs the final vote tabulation at the end of the day. It is printed on the same tape that was used to record the zero count earlier in the day before the polls opened. In other words, the beginning zero count, all overvotes and undervotes during the day, as well as the final tally are all shown on the same UNBROKEN tape. This tape is selaed in an envelope and becomes the official record.

9) This official record is also reported in the cartridge - which I assume is a non-volatile memory similar to a flash memory card.

10) Other tapes showing the results are printed out and sent to various officials and posted on the door of the polling place. Our precinct ran a total of 5 additional tapes.

It should be easy for lawyers - if they know the system - to create and trace a good paper trail. For example, it the zero portion of the tape is not attached to the final tally, something is rotten.

This assumes the GOP lawyers are not bullied or steamrolled.

23 posted on 11/07/2008 3:16:37 PM PST by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: Caleb1411
There's a heck of a lot of cheating going on. That's what's going on.

Democrats have a plan on how to cheat. First, they cheated by illegal votes. They didn't have enough so now they have to ask for recounts until they can destroy some more Coleman votes and manufacture Freaken votes.

They know what they're doing and they ALWAYS win the close ones. Note they will be 100% by the time this is done.

A RAT lawyer even tells how they do it. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4DKUS_enUS289US289&q=How+Democrats+steal+elections

24 posted on 11/07/2008 3:17:54 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Caleb1411

Republicans need to stop whining and just do what the left wants them to do.

After all, nothing gets republicans to the polls any more. The voter turnout suggests a lot of republicans stayed home and allowed boy wonder to take the helm.

I wonder at what point do conswrvatives and republicans finally get angry and in the faces of leftist’s?

Let’s see whay is going on:

Kindergarden children are being taught HOW to make the choice to become homosexual.

No big deal, no protests. What hear are those who say things like, “we don’t do protests”. Okay I hear you, but they are turning you into slaves, using your tax dollars to fund ACORN and other anti-conservative BS.


25 posted on 11/07/2008 3:21:07 PM PST by stockpirate (The RNC needs to purge all RINO's.. Join the BORG - Barack Obama Resistance Group)
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To: YOUGOTIT

Political theory suggests that it is acceptable to reject the legitimacy to rule of any party or other body that cheats on elections.


26 posted on 11/07/2008 3:22:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: kauaiboy
If Franken steals it, it will almost be worth it to see the IDIOT he makes of himself

I've thought that at least we would have one senator that at least admits he is a comedian.;o)

27 posted on 11/07/2008 3:24:50 PM PST by Abe XVI
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To: Caleb1411

Can Coleman challenge this? Since it is obvious that they are scrounging for votes for Franken, that should be grounds for an investigation. It might be different if both candidates “found” votes but this is blatent!


28 posted on 11/07/2008 3:27:23 PM PST by Kenny
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To: WayneM
A tape (similar to a cash register tape) is run which shows all vote counts for all seats and all other issues to be zero.

Unfortunately, if Minnesota is using the Accuvote machines, due to the idiocy of some software engineers who developed the firmware in those machines, it is possible for the tape to show zero counts when the actual counts are non-zero. And its possible for the printout on the tape to not accurately reflect the ballot count at the end of the election either.

The memory cards need to be very carefully examined - and until then preserved under seal as evidence.

29 posted on 11/07/2008 3:27:49 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Bellflower
What are we going to do about the massive cheating in this country?

BUMP!

30 posted on 11/07/2008 3:29:42 PM PST by fanfan (www.Digg.com)
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To: freeandfreezing

In Alabama we use a machne made by Eagle (at least thats the logo on the machine).

But ultimately the protection is in the fact that the votes are marked with a black felt tip pen on a paper ballot. The machine is really only a scanner to simplity the counting process.


31 posted on 11/07/2008 3:31:00 PM PST by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: Caleb1411

This “error” is EASILY fixed.

TAke three optical scanner machines. CHeck that the dates are set correctly and the machine is working properly.

Run all the ballots through each machine. Each machine should read identical vote totals.


32 posted on 11/07/2008 3:35:03 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Caleb1411

Other than Florida 2000 I do not remember a recount that didn’t eventually result in enough democrap votes being massaged to the surface. Sometimes it takes a while, but it happens.


33 posted on 11/07/2008 3:35:35 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Bellflower
What are we going to do about the massive cheating in this country?

Contract out our elections to third world countries. Their elections are more honest then ours.

34 posted on 11/07/2008 3:36:01 PM PST by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: WayneM

Wayne,

Using the ballots we do in Alabama, “errors” are almost nonexistent. If there is any problem, you can re-run all the ballots.

I wish every precinct in America had to use the optical scanners like we have. Just about as close to foolproof as you can get.


35 posted on 11/07/2008 3:39:23 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bellflower
What are we going to do about the massive cheating in this country?

It would be some element of government that does anything, right? Do you trust your government?

I thought not.

36 posted on 11/07/2008 3:39:45 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: freeandfreezing

With only about 1000 votes cast they ought to be able to review the voting record to make sure everyone who voted is at least alive.


37 posted on 11/07/2008 3:49:19 PM PST by revtown
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To: Caleb1411

What’s really sad is that part of me wants to see him win so Harry Reid is stuck with him for 6 years. I thought Pennsylvania was bad, you guys in Minnesota the the super strength Kool-Aid


38 posted on 11/07/2008 3:53:09 PM PST by Billy Bud (Conservative Leadership - Sarah Has It)
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To: Caleb1411

What’s really sad is that part of me wants to see him win so Harry Reid is stuck with him for 6 years. I thought Pennsylvania was bad, you guys in Minnesota the the super strength Kool-Aid


39 posted on 11/07/2008 3:53:19 PM PST by Billy Bud (Conservative Leadership - Sarah Has It)
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To: MplsSteve

And the incredibly lame excuse of “something wrong with the time stamp clock” on the current tape when it was first noticed in late October. Was it reported then?
The whole thing reeks.


40 posted on 11/07/2008 3:55:13 PM PST by astyanax (If you need to wear a mask while speaking your mind, it is probably best you remain silent...)
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To: little jeremiah

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” —Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787.


41 posted on 11/07/2008 3:57:40 PM PST by Kent C
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To: SoDak

I remember that well. I was working on Thune’s campaign at the time. Funny how things ‘just happen’. Of course, all the free coats given to the Rez by Mrs. Johnson didn’t hurt.

You’re right.......it’s always the democrat votes that show up the next day. Odd, that.


42 posted on 11/07/2008 4:03:04 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Caleb1411

Got a call from the Coleman recount fund and donated. They are keeping visual contact with the ballots in all precincts until the lawyers get in town. Pretty sure the actual count is now over - Coleman by 236 and the recount will likely start in December.

For those that followed the thread election night, it was in fact the St. Louis (Buhl precinct) and Pine counties (deep blue) that had the discrepancies. There was one count of 24 that was a ‘typo’ and changed to “124”. My guess someone added the “1”. Sigh....


43 posted on 11/07/2008 4:04:19 PM PST by Kent C
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To: taxesareforever
Contract out our elections to third world countries. Their elections are more honest then ours

I know you are kidding. I recall an election in Thailand in 1994. My BIL was "mayor" of a quiet village in the far north. One morning as he was leaving the house, he stuck a roll of 100 bht bills (Thai money) in one of his jacket pockets and a .38 revolver in the other. He said, "Some people need a little more than a bribe for their vote." He won reelection handily as did his boss, the district Kamnan.

We may be going that direction here. Chicago may have been there for many years.

44 posted on 11/07/2008 4:23:12 PM PST by JimSEA (just another liberal-bashing fearmonger)
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To: Kent C

Thank you for the exact quote. I knew “tyrants” were in there too.


45 posted on 11/07/2008 4:26:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Enchante

The first count is almost always the correct (or most correct count). Even if vote counts were indeed changing, they should change up or down proportionally for each candidate. In these cases, they seen to be change for only Frankin; in counties that appear to be Democrat counties where there should have been no initial errors. There is no plausable reason they would have written 27 rather than 127. They would have double checked. Coleman needs to hire lawyers not poll watchers. With this much discrepancy, they need to do an entire do over. Then hire poll watchers to descend on each of the various precincts.


46 posted on 11/07/2008 4:41:35 PM PST by Tucson (I'd prefer you just say thank you; or pick up a piece and walk a post)
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To: shankbear

Do some research on Rossi (R) vs Gregoire (D) ; governors election 2004.

If history repeats, they’ll just keep counting until the person they want (D) wins.


47 posted on 11/07/2008 5:54:06 PM PST by schwingdoc
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To: Balding_Eagle
As with the Governors race in the state of Washington a few years back, recounts will continue until Franken has enough to win.

Yep.

The only time I saw the Republicans fight with everything they had was in 2000 when they refused to let the scumbag rats steal the presidency. I don't remember any other time the GOP didn't fold like a cheap suit as an election was stolen right out from under them.

Amazing, isn't it, how recounts always result in the rats "finding" enough votes to win?

48 posted on 11/07/2008 6:02:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Kent C
In other words:


49 posted on 11/07/2008 6:06:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Bellflower

“What are we going to do about the massive cheating in this country?”

Through the Constitutional provisions, but the protections and enforcement of which will be left to those who benefit from the fruad.

Regretably, it also seems that the only path to regaining the great vision our Founding Fathers bestowed upon this magnificent land will be by the same method they were required to employ. Just as in their day, some majority of the citizenry will not be willing to sacrifice all that it might take to accomplish that worthy task and the burden will be borne by the brave few.


50 posted on 11/07/2008 6:11:42 PM PST by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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