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Where Tuesday's Tide Was All Republican (Oklahoma Turns Redder Alert)
New York Times ^ | 11/7/2008 | James McKinley, Jr

Posted on 11/07/2008 9:30:12 PM PST by goldstategop

Among Oklahomans, Mr. Cook and Mr. White are hardly alone. Though the state’s Democrats still outnumber its Republicans, you would never know it by looking at the election results. Oklahoma voters went for Senator John McCain by almost two to one, bucking the tide that swept Mr. Obama to the presidency. Not a single one of the state’s 77 counties backed Mr. Obama, despite his endorsement by the popular Democratic governor, Brad Henry. ...

Indeed, the state has a political landscape closely resembling that of the old solidly Democratic South, especially in its southeastern corner, known as Little Dixie, where many Southerners settled after the Civil War. When conservatives of the Old South began abandoning the party decades ago, Oklahoma’s Democrats lagged behind the historical trend. Further, the state has relatively small black and Hispanic populations, and so the Democrats did not absorb as many new voters from those groups as in the states of the old Confederacy.

These days Oklahoma Democrats dread running for local office in presidential election years, for fear of being associated with liberal nominees at the top of the ticket.

“Being liberal in Oklahoma, with the exception of a few legislative districts, will not get you elected,” said State Representative Joe Dorman, a conservative Democrat.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 2008election; buckingthetide; conservatism; ok2008; oklahoma; redstate; republicanparty
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To: fieldmarshaldj

If the economy hadn’t melted McCain would’ve run a lot stronger.


51 posted on 11/07/2008 10:17:43 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: goldstategop

Yes indeed. I have some relatives like that there and they do not like Obama at all. Hillary won the primary pretty handily there.


52 posted on 11/07/2008 10:18:14 PM PST by hout8475
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To: eyedigress

Ok - I’m going off memory here. :-)


53 posted on 11/07/2008 10:18:55 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Where do you change the dark ness of the colors on those DL maps.


54 posted on 11/07/2008 10:24:24 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yeah, I think of Oklahoma as the Republican Massachusetts.

Way to go, OK.


55 posted on 11/07/2008 10:35:31 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: Norman Bates

You saw the “trends” option on Dave Leip’s site, right ? Colorado, aside from some counties, seemed to have a visceral anti-GOP reaction. It’s sickening we lost Marilyn Musgrave. I wasn’t happy, either that the Sec of State abandoned his post to run for Congress (Tancredo’s seat). Now the rodent Governor will appoint a hack to that post. Only 2 Republicans left in the delegation with Crank as the senior member. Appalling. Just a few cycles ago there were just 2 Democrats. I literally believe a good chunk of this country has gone off the deep end. Bat$hit crazy.


56 posted on 11/07/2008 10:38:29 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

He didn’t run a general election campaign. Did you meet his Mormon consultants from San Diego area? One of them was the Foley aide BTW. Talk about slime, those two consultants personify the word. One of their Dad’s is a slimey consultant from the Los Angeles area and the son got in trouble trying to rig an election at the University of Michigan. Istook never campaigned in Cleveland County, the 3rd largest county in the State. His campaign people brought in by the Mormon Church did not understand Oklahoma. Was up in the office three times and never went back.

The problem is he was such a bad candidate that it cost us some statewide races. A decent candidate probably would not have beat Henry but at least made it closer then 2-1.

In my County it spread like wildfire that Istook was Mormon and then there was the case of child molestation that also came up that he helped bury according to Court records for the Mormon Church.

Then we had the door hangars that were so bad I told the people putting them out in this County to stop hanging them. They blamed Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry for abortion — the only problem was that we did not have a Senate race in OK and Dean was not in Congress. We had a lot of complaints about them that cost us more votes.


57 posted on 11/07/2008 10:41:02 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It’s going to swing back our way. Think of the all the gains we made in the Ninties.


58 posted on 11/07/2008 10:41:43 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: PhiKapMom

Romney could win your state.


59 posted on 11/07/2008 10:42:06 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Do you think Bobby Jindal will be a good choice for next President? If we need a passionate articulator of conservatism - if that is the key - then he is the man. The only problem is he’ll have to come out of his governor’s race and right into the primaries.


60 posted on 11/07/2008 10:44:08 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I want to know what happened to Nevada.


61 posted on 11/07/2008 10:45:45 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Norman Bates

Invasion?


62 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:14 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: huldah1776

I’m worried how we get our EV’s back. You know they will be adding one to NV, CO, VA (maybe 2), NC.


63 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:27 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Evie Munchkin

I live in St. Louis, but half the week I spend in SouthEast Missouri - my Ozarks home. You can’t go wrong with either! Missouri is a very red state - our only problem is St. Louis, Kansas City, and Columbia!


64 posted on 11/07/2008 10:53:08 PM PST by Darth Gill
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To: Norman Bates

I don’t know. Dave Leip does the coloring. I’d actually like to use those maps for a different purpose (to show what counties I’ve visited on trips), but I’m not sure how to do that.


65 posted on 11/07/2008 10:55:14 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Norman Bates

I not so sure! He came in 3rd behind McCain and Huckabee in our primary. He wouldn’t win here in the primary and can guarantee you that not all the counties would go for Romney.

Would be willing to bet that most of the 2nd District would not vote for Romney. I was in the heart of the 2nd District during the primaries several times and they were anyone but Romney.

Romney stiffed the GOP Convention in 2007 at the last minute — like the night before. A lot of the Party rank and file don’t want anything to do with him for a host of reasons and his surrogates made people even madder in the State.

Wouldn’t say it was a given with Romney. You have to remember that Istook at the request of Romney and the Mormon Church took light rail and road and bridge money that was to come to Oklahoma and sent it to Salt Lake for the Winter Olympics. Lot of bad feelings still in the state about that and probably why Istook didn’t run for reelection when it came out and a reason he was soundly defeated.


66 posted on 11/07/2008 10:58:29 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: PhiKapMom

Hi, do you mean that Ernest Istook lost the race for governor overwhelmingly in 2006 because he is Mormon (former Baptist)? Or were there other factors that I have forgotten? Would Romney have won OK in your opinion?


67 posted on 11/07/2008 11:00:59 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: PhiKapMom

I retract what I said then. That indeed sounds like he shouldn’t have run. I had presumed he offered himself up to give the party a decent candidate, but that it turned out a worse screw-up than Largent in ‘02, who was expected to win (although personally I thought Largent was a total dolt, especially on the Elian Gonzalez affair where he demonstrated absolutely no knowledge of the rights of children and parents under the Cuban Constitution). I was concerned when I saw we lost all those other statewide offices in ‘06, including that of Brenda Reneau’s Labor Commissioner. I presume her loss was partly a result of what you cited (and the failure, too, to hold Mary Fallin’s Lt Governorship).


68 posted on 11/07/2008 11:02:39 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: ponygirl
Arizona is being overtaken by people from California and Wisconsin.

I know many of the ones from Wisconsin. They're not all bad...
69 posted on 11/07/2008 11:06:09 PM PST by July 4th
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To: Norman Bates

I presumed the temporary rodent gains under the dreadful Owens would merely be just that, as it was in the early ‘70s when the state swung away from the GOP for a little while only to come right back (well, all except for the Governorship which we didn’t have for virtually a quarter-century), but instead it keeps going further and further into moonbatland.


70 posted on 11/07/2008 11:06:34 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: goldstategop

God Help OK if BHO ever says the Word “DRILL”...then he may get another .002% of the vote of people who don’t think he’s lying about Drilling.

If Alaska was a Foreign Country, like Canada, or Mexico, they would be as RICH as Oklahoma, drilling for $money$.

Pelosi is saving the Planet, and Texas and Oklahoma do NOT LIKE IT.


71 posted on 11/07/2008 11:06:56 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: goldstategop

As a conservative living in California (and in the SF Bay Area, on top of that), this gives me hope. Which has been in short supply this week.


72 posted on 11/07/2008 11:07:01 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers
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To: goldstategop

Oklahoma is a pretty bad state to live in, politics aside.


73 posted on 11/07/2008 11:07:03 PM PST by couchpotatoxxx12
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To: Norman Bates

ANY Republican would win OK in a general election for President, but some Republicans would cause a depressed turnout. If Slick Willard had been on the ticket, it would’ve been a far greater loss and my state would’ve kept the rodents in power in the House (albeit via gerrymandering, which is terrible here). I’m trying to counsel the incoming majority to put redistricting on the schedule to keep them from grabbing back control in 2010 and shutting us out as they have for decades on end. Understand we won 1.1+ million to their 900k votes for the legislature and STILL only won by 1 seat. That’s got to be corrected... (Sorry for going off on a diff tangent there).


74 posted on 11/07/2008 11:11:18 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Norman Bates

My concern is that Jindal has made some dumb mistakes that could’ve been avoided (the thing with the pay raises especially — it made him look bad). He’ll grow in office, but he’s got to avoid dumb stuff like that.

There’s gonna be enormous pressure brought by the national Dems on Mitch Landrieu (who received more votes than Jindal did last year statewide), who will have to either run against him or for NOLA Mayor, especially when, as you said, he’ll have to go practically straight from a reelection campaign right into the primaries, and Landrieu (or whichever Dem candidate) will accuse him of abandoning the state and his duties to go after the Presidency. The state may not like that...

I’m backing Palin now unless something occurs to change that. Jindal I can see as a running mate, but otherwise he’ll face that aforementioned problem if he tries to go for the Presidency.

Of course, the biggest problem in ‘12 will be stopping Slick Willard again. He absolutely needed McCain-Palin to lose, and worked hard through his surrogates to undermine them, and continues to do so against Palin. He needs to be publicly denounced once and for all NOW. This guy is a malignant cancer.


75 posted on 11/07/2008 11:18:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Norman Bates

We lost Bob Beers. A giant in the state legislature. He’s the man who should be Governor now.


76 posted on 11/07/2008 11:19:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: couchpotatoxxx12; Admin Moderator

couchpotatoxxx12
Since Nov 7, 2008

Here, kitty, kitty, kitty.


77 posted on 11/07/2008 11:21:04 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Perdogg

>>>Can I move to Oklahoma?

BYOB, and check your liberals at the toilet

I’m so proud of my state!


78 posted on 11/07/2008 11:24:43 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: goldstategop

I may end up moving there sooner or later..


79 posted on 11/07/2008 11:28:25 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: ponygirl

I hope a conservative steps forward soon and runs against McCain in 2010. He never seems to have local competition and he takes us and the state for granted as a result.


80 posted on 11/07/2008 11:33:58 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Norman Bates

Amen! Our county is red, but we sure got messed up with the replacement up in Flagstaff for Renzi.


81 posted on 11/07/2008 11:35:08 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: PhiKapMom

Be prepared. Soros spent a fortune to take Colorado and he is coming after AZ, lots of money spent trying to defeat our congressmen this time, and he will turn his sights on OK, too.


82 posted on 11/07/2008 11:36:43 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: LdSentinal

Not only did McCain post one of the biggest wins in a long time here in Tennessee against Obama, The republicans also took over the State House of Legislators, and strengthened their majority in the state senate. They haven’t held a majority of the state house since the Civil War! You know how they did it.... By running as conservatives.

Also, the leftist media likes to talk about how racist we are here in Tennessee. What they fail to mention is that when Harold Ford ran against Bob Corker back in ‘06 for the Senate, (when Tennessee bucked the trend back then as well), Harold Ford received somewhere over 48% of the vote, won a bunch of counties and almost won. Why....

Because Harold Ford is not as Liberal as Obama. Goes to prove that this wonderful state I live in is nowhere near the racist state the media makes it out to be. That we really are voting on Policy matters, not skin color.

But don’t tell the media that. They wouldn’t believe it if you paid them.


83 posted on 11/07/2008 11:39:48 PM PST by alwaysontheright
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To: Norman Bates

All the danged liberals are moving into our states and bringing their votes with them...why??? Stay in CA or vote GOP and don’t mess us up in the process.


84 posted on 11/07/2008 11:42:12 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Norman Bates

I think 2012 is between Sarah and Jindal. Let the two of them battle it out and the best man or woman win... they both walk the walk and talk the talk from what I’ve seen.


85 posted on 11/07/2008 11:46:22 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Norman Bates

Lousy economy... they are dying in Vegas because of the high gas prices all summer... so what do the idiots do? Vote for the people that will run the fuel prices up even higher than they were all summer.. go figure what people use for brains.


86 posted on 11/07/2008 11:47:31 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I think this is why the real person/people behind her smear campaign refuses to release his/her name, we'd be able to connect the dots and it "could" prove embarassing to a probably POTUS candidate.

Carl Cameron knows who told him, but Fox should never have allowed that report unless there was a name attached to it. She has a right to confront her accuser...

87 posted on 11/07/2008 11:57:28 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: alwaysontheright

Actually, TN voters have been voting majority or plurality preference for the GOP for the State House of Reps since the mid ‘90s. Grotesque Democrat gerrymandering kept us from getting a majority of actual seats. We got a huge majority of voters, over 1.1 million to 900k that voted GOP for the legislature this time and STILL because of gerrymandering we only won by 1 seat (we actually had de facto control of the House back from 1969-71 when it was tied 49-49 with 1 Independent — a Black Democrat from Knoxville voted for the Republican candidate for Speaker, future Congressman Bill Jenkins, and we had control — when the Dems won a narrow majority in 1970, they gerrymandered us ruthlessly until this day, keeping an emerging permanent Republican majority at bay). When Jenkins was elected, we were the first Southern state to have a GOP legislative leader since the 1890s.


88 posted on 11/07/2008 11:58:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: alwaysontheright

I’ve always thought the real racism is in the industrialized north and upper midwest.


89 posted on 11/07/2008 11:59:34 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FredZarguna

I’m with you.


90 posted on 11/08/2008 12:00:50 AM PST by unkus
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To: Azzurri

I’m working/living in San Francisco right now...imagine the horror.


My heart goes out to you, man.


91 posted on 11/08/2008 12:04:55 AM PST by unkus
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I’ve not cared for the way Fox News has been behaving. They act scarcely better than the other ultrarodent news outlets. I believe Murdoch (that great Conservative — NOT. He’s a Capitalist, and even Chinese Communists are Capitalists these days) was in the bag for the Democrat ticket, so we all know how that goes. I think it’s long past time we had a network that is EXCLUSIVELY Conservative and stops trying to pander to the left. Fox seems to like to hire leftist CNN rejects. When Jerry Rivers, the old creep who screwed, ahem, “dated”, half my mother’s coworkers (salesgirls at Bonwit-Teller) in the late ‘60s/early ‘70s in NYC was hired, that was the last sign that Fox jumped the shark.


92 posted on 11/08/2008 12:06:22 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yep, this fair and balanced crap is old. MSNBC and CNN don’t even pretend... I think one reason Greta has been so popular the last few months has been she just decided to go all out for Palin after she saw what happened to Hillary... she didn’t like it at all; I think she may be a PUMA.


93 posted on 11/08/2008 12:09:09 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: goldstategop

With the illegals taking over the great state of Texas, this native son may be crossing that Red River soon. I always liked Oklahoma anyway. I bet Ardmore would be nice. I love the Turner Falls area, but Davis is a little small.


94 posted on 11/08/2008 12:12:01 AM PST by Rastus
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Largent was a great football player, not so great a politician. He may have been a little too honest for Congress.


95 posted on 11/08/2008 12:15:50 AM PST by darkangel82
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Even though Neidermeier was killed by his own troops in Nam, Omega House wasn’t all bad: Kevin Bacon was a pledge.


96 posted on 11/08/2008 12:20:43 AM PST by stillonaroll (Nominate a non-RINO in 2012!)
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To: thesetruths
Let's not define ourselves in terms of our enemies: Massachusetts is the Commie Oklahoma.
97 posted on 11/08/2008 12:36:34 AM PST by FredZarguna (And please, no more Vanities that are Goedel Sentences.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Did you know Greta’s godfather was Sen. Joseph McCarthy ?


98 posted on 11/08/2008 12:40:12 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: alwaysontheright

Great news from Tennessee, thanks for that.

I thought the state had been drifting a little leftward recently so this is a really encouraging bright spot.

I’m sure it drives the lefties in Nashville nuts.


99 posted on 11/08/2008 12:41:26 AM PST by thesetruths
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To: stillonaroll

I think Kevin’s character ended up in the nervous hospital for a good long stint after the parade... at least after they peeled him off the street. ;-)


100 posted on 11/08/2008 12:42:10 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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