Skip to comments.Rebuild The Party
Posted on 11/09/2008 8:04:44 AM PST by Pondo
As Republicans, we face a choice.
Either we can spend the next several months -- or years -- trying to figure out what just happened, excusing our defeat away as a temporary blip or the result of a poor environment, and waiting for Barack Obama to trip up. Or we can refuse to take this defeat lying down, and start building the future of our party now.
2008 made one thing clear: if allowed to go unchecked, the Democrats' structural advantages, including their use of the Internet, their more than 2-to-1 advantage with young voters, their discovery of a better grassroots model -- will be as big a threat to the future of the GOP as the toxic political environment we have faced the last few years.
The time is now to set in motion the changes needed to rebuild our party from the grassroots up, modernize the way we run campaigns, and attract different, energetic, and younger candidates at all levels.
We must be conservative in philosophy -- but bold in our approach. We don't need a slight tweak here or there. We need transformation. We can't keep fighting a 21st century war with 20th century weapons.
(Excerpt) Read more at rebuildtheparty.com ...
Fist we need a leader. Where is the person who will begin and take the reigns of our new fledgling party? Some names have been mentioned but I have not heard them or anyone else say they are ready to take on the task. It has to be someone who is not afraid of arrows and someone without a single skeleton in the closet. The liberal medial will have a filed day with them. If such a person does step forward we need to support them in every way, not just talk or blogging but with cold hard cash, even to the point where it may hurt a little. Money is power and we are going to need a lot of it. We then need to establish a board of the most trusted conservatives in the country. This board will establish our conservative platform that anyone who joins the party must abide by in order to remain in good standing. This committee will have the power to disassociate the party with anyone who violates the rules. Anyone who even mentions reaching across the isle will be summarily executed (just kidding but close). We the must mount an arduous drive to get the few true conservatives in office to sign on with a promise of full support.
Work to change the Republican Party. Having more than two parties is how Hitler got into power - too many fractured parties.
The “American Conservative Party”? Never heard of it. And the Libertarian Party is not conservative.
America’s Independent Party, founded this year by FReepers and other Reagan conservatives, is already the third-largest party in the nation based on voter registrations. And not only does it represent conservative principle, it’s being built right.
Sure, that is a new idea, lay down and whimper. Graham was the Moron that wanted Leiberman on the ticket.
Kev here is one for you to put on your list.
I like the idea of “rebuilding the party”. However, how do we do this when we are facing 20 million+ new “citizens” and their families? They will ALL be voting DimocRAT.
The time is now... not a year from now. Not after Obama has screwed up but now. We have to fight and every time we hear a mushy headed go along to get along Republican Politician talk like it’s better to agree with the Dem’s than oppose them we all work to see him or her out in the street.
No more Nicey-Nice!
#3 Get new blood and I dont mean Palin types, too fringe.
***Zippy the pinhead seems like a typical RINO to me. What can we do to shed light on these fringe types if JimRob won’t go along with it?
With the illegitimate (Kenyan born?) president, and the socialist/communist policies being implemented, we now face the most serious Constitutional Crises since the American Civil war. We need a party dedicated toward saving the Constitution.
If you are gonna wait for the GOP to get its act together you’re doomed to disappointment.
We individual Americans have to get our act together. It is no longer sufficient to vote or donate money to candidates. Nor is it sufficient to only involve ourselves in the political process when there are elections going on.
Constitutionalists (I prefer this term to conservatives because the left has demonized the word) must do whatever it takes to get themselves elected at local, county, state and national levels. Constitutionalists need to do whatever it takes to be elected to local school boards. Constitutionalists need to deny money to RNC and RINO candidates. Constitutionalists must develop a single national entity to draw up the war plan necessary to reacquire America’s soul. Constitutionalists must boycott any entity the supports the left—including media and private sector companies.
This list is not meant to be all inclusive. My point: Winning back America will not be a spectator sport. Those who choose to let others carry the water will defeat us all.
No, you need a new party from the bottom up. You can't breathe life into a dead thing and the Republican party is D-E-A-D - DEAD!
"Lets drain the swamp."
You are absolutely correct. If there is going to be a 2nd party in this country, which is questionable, then that's the only hope and it isn't going to happen in my lifetime.
P.S.....perhaps you should read up on history before “attempting” to apply it.
P.S.....perhaps you should read up on history before attempting to apply it.
Asshats like myself are trying to help the Republican Party stay together so it doesn't splinter. IMHO, it's throwing your vote away to go 3rd party, and does no one but Democrats any good. Hitler never had more than 37 percent of the popular vote, and there was constant political squabbling among the numerous political parties. I appreciate your anger and frustration, but namecalling isn't going to help anyone.
The rePUBICan party is DEAD. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can help start rebuilding a Conservative Party that will make a difference.
My ballot had McCain/Palin - Republican....McCain/Palin -Conservative. Please, do tell how my McCain/Palin Conservative vote “splintered” the party.
And while you’re at it...please explain why conservative values on a ballot does not fail (i.e. California gay marriage) while rePUBICan “values” die a miserable death.
Oh thats a great tactic, name calling. It worked so well in the election. Good gawd, have at it. I won’t attempt to add anything more to your ‘discussion’. good lord.
Will check your website from time to time to see whether or not the message has been received by the party, but I really don't think the party wants us back. I hope I am wrong.
Why thank you, thank you very much. One thing I’ve noticed about RINOs is they tend to scurry. That means real conservatives have the advantage. Perhaps WideAwake is a better forum for you.
Ballot access laws need to be changed in over three fourths of the states for your party to succeed, until alternate partys have equal ballot access in all 50 states they can not accomplish much.
Voters are stupid, and greedy, they won't vote for the candidate with the best message, and policys, they vote based on their own emotions, and finances.
Money is going to be an issue. When Constitutionalists take over a county, or state Republican Rarty the big donor's wallets close, it becomes difficult to raise enough money. Big donors have learned that they can't buy influence from people who's principles aren't for sale. Any new party won't be able to open the wallets of big donors.
Be aware that if successful your party will be infiltrated by the same element that has infiltrated the Republican Party.
Thanks, I answered the questionairre and posted on my profile page.
The solution to the dilemmas concerning ballot access and money that you rightfully pose is PEOPLE. Get enough of them and those obstacles will fall. The most powerful force in the world remains the American people, particularly the Christians in America.
The elites in this country - in government, in media, in the existing political parties, in the conservative movement, in the pro-life movement, even in the churches - have overwhelmingly failed. This isn't even debatable any more.
The only possible fix is a dedicated, organized, united, citizen-led campaign to save America.
We have the means to prevent infiltration, by the way. Ours is a closed association, not an open one like the existing parties. Unlike most everybody else it seems, we've actually read the First Amendment and understand it. No one is going to choose our candidates but solid pro-God, pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-Constitution, pro-gun, pro-sovereignty, Reagan conservatives.
America’s Independent Party
Constitution and Platform
As free citizens of the United States and founders of Americas Independent Party, we stand in agreement with the founders of our American Republic. Following their example, we declare to the world that our first governmental premise is the self-evident truth that our rights to life, liberty and private property come from our Creator God and are therefore unalienable. With those patriots, we understand that just government can only exist by the consent of the governed.
Our pledge, individually and corporately, is to seek to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. We will diligently work to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity, and thereby fulfill the stated purposes of the Constitution of the United States and this organization.
In recognition of the multitude of ways in which our nations leaders have departed from Americas founding principles, we hereby petition local, state and federal government for redress of such grievances, with the urgent imperative demand that each and every officer of government henceforth faithfully perform their sworn duty to defend innocent human life and constitutional republican governance.
Our work is dedicated to our God; to all the patriots who came before us in self-sacrifice for liberty; to all of those who now faithfully serve our country; and to the posterity that will enjoy the blessed fruit of all their labors.
Together, as Americans, let us find the principled grounds for cooperation that will allow us to fully restore moral government of, by and for the people.
E pluribus unum.
America’s Independent Party has as its goal the return of our nation to a set of foundational principles. We call them “America’s Principles.” The word “principle” comes from a Latin root that means “first things.” America’s Principles are the “first things” that our country should consider in all of our domestic and foreign policies.
America’s Independent Party recognizes that these “first things” are clearly defined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.
However, we also believe that there is room for debate over prudential policy matters within certain parameters of fundamental American political thought and a framework of ordered liberty. We seek a return to an approach to government that facilitates that respectful and necessary debate, but that never compromises the moral premises that made this country great.
Our civic duties
Though in civic terms we call ourselves “Independent,” we fully acknowledge our utter dependence, as individuals and as a nation, on Almighty God and His divine Providence and Protection.
We also recognize, and seek to actively fulfill, our God-ordained obligations as individual citizens to the whole sovereign body of the people, as well as our responsibility to maintain standards of high moral character, both personally and in our public life.
Equal rights for our posterity
Because the stated ultimate purpose of the United States Constitution is “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity,” we recognize the personhood of all unborn children and their protection by the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments.
The right to life of all innocent persons, from fertilization to natural death, is God-given and unalienable. That is why we consider it to be a moral imperative to fully establish in law that Personhood is granted by our Creator to all human beings from the very beginning of their biological development.
For the principled man or woman, no compromise is possible concerning such a critical matter of life and death. We believe that violators of this supreme right, in words or actions, are unfit for any office of public trust, since any such violation constitutes the breaking of the oath of office and the ultimate destruction of the very basis of our liberty.
The reason for being of government, and of Americas Independent Party
The protection of the life, liberty, and private property of the people is the primary reason for the existence of human government, and more particularly, our precious American republican form of self-government. This is why we willingly accept no breach of the rights of the free exercise of religion, free speech, free press, free assembly, free association, and the right to petition government for the redress of grievances. We defend all of the enumerated rights listed in our Bill of Rights, and, in addition, all natural rights that are not enumerated, as per the Ninth Amendment.
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms
The right of self-preservation and self-protection is inherent in all persons, communities and societies, which is why we fiercely defend the indispensable provisions of our Second Amendment. Liberty cannot be protected if the people have been stripped of the physical means of doing so.
Restoring limited government
We seek to restore the intended balance between the three separate branches of our government, and to strictly limit government to the Enumerated Powers granted and expressed by the will of the people of the United States in our Constitution.
All existing functions of the Executive branch that are outside of those Enumerated Powers must be eliminated.
All spending and regulation by the Legislative branch that lies outside the Enumerated Powers must cease.
Judges who attempt to legislate from the bench, or who abandon the clear principles of our Constitution, must be checked if liberty and justice are to prevail in our society once again.
We demand a return to adherence to the provisions of the Tenth Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Peace through Strength
We believe in a supremely strong, prepared, and well-equipped civilian-controlled United States military, and a bold, visionary and intelligent program of principled constructive engagement with the rest of the world. For us, “peace through strength” is not a mere slogan. It is the means of survival for our country in a very dangerous and often hostile world. Our friendship should be a sought-after possession of all men and women of good will everywhere in the world. Our enmity should be something that all rightfully fear.
As Ronald Reagan opposed and defeated the designs and desire of the Soviet Union to dominate the world and place it under the tyranny of their Evil Empire, we stand unalterably opposed to all who approve of, plan or commit terrorist acts. Since the first principle of America is the protection of innocent human life, any who would use acts of terrorism targeted at innocent civilians to forward their political, ideological or religious aims incur our effective and determined enmity.
We completely oppose any action that surrenders the moral, political or economic sovereignty of the United States and its people, and demand the immediate restoration of that sovereignty wherever it has been eroded.
We demand the immediate securing and continuous vigilant maintenance of our sovereign territory and borders. We oppose any private or governmental action that rewards illegal entry into the United States in any way, and demand speedy and full enforcement of our laws concerning all such activities.
Repeal of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments
We consider the federal income tax to be destructive of our liberty, privacy, and prosperity. Therefore, we are working to bring about its complete elimination and the repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. We recommend that the current system be replaced by an equitable, simple, noninvasive, visible, efficient tax, one that does not destroy or even infringe upon our economic privacy and liberty.
We also call for the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment. Its enactment greatly reduced the power of our state legislatures and state governments which are much closer to the people and damaged our system of federalism.
Marriage and the natural family
We seek the passage of a Federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and oppose all attempts everywhere to redefine marriage as being anything but what it has always been: the union of one man and one woman. Since the natural family is the basic God-given institution of our civilization, and the nursery of our future, it must be protected from all who would destroy it.
Americas Principles work
America’s Independent Party is a principled party, but it is also a practical party. We believe that America’s Principles work whenever the people diligently put them into practice.
We invite all like-minded Americans to join with us in our fight to restore and protect Liberty.
Truly, this is intended to be AMERICAS Independent Party.
Approved in Convention August 20, 2008
© 2008 Americas Independent Party
That’s just a beginning questionnaire, just off the top of my head.
If you really would like to pursue this, let’s open a thread and try to find maybe 50 questions that would generate such a profile. Then with a percentage allocation and how much the person agrees/disagrees, we all see who we’re dealing with.
Sound like a plan?
We won’t rebuilt the gop if 1/5 of the states are not as conservative as the other 4/5th. We need to get over the infighting on RINOS and see how we can become a NATIONAL Party so our message can win in the south as it would on the west coast and the northeast.
“Sound like a plan?”
Sure. Ping me when you get the thread up, I look forward to it.
"As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly." - Proverbs 26:11
It seems that the self-designated Republican party "base" (and indeed how base they are) wants to repeat the debacle of this past Tuesday by renominating an unvetted airhead, only next time at the top of the ticket. Apparently their neo-con puppetmasters are willing to lead the party over a cliff again rather than release their chokehold.
The Republican Party is moribund, but conservatism doesn't have to die with it. Those of us who truly care about the Constitution, national sovereignty, the welfare of the citizenry, and traditional American values like small government (as opposed to those who pay them mere lip service) need a new party embracing those ideals, because we'll never find any of them again in the GOP.
“Libertarian, Constituionalist, we need more political parties.”
So said George Wallace, John Anderson, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Harry Browne...to name the most successful.
Exactly. Or we'll have more Communists running as 'Democrats', and unending and by now lame complaints about RINOs. The two parties whose only hard core principles are mom and apple pie are as you say destroying this country.
” This is how we ended up with McCain.”
Which GOP candidate would have done better, and why. Support with Nov. 2008 voting facts, not with opinions without support.
Open primaries are a huge problem; another huge problem is the timing of the primaries. Our nominee is chosen before most of the conservatives even get a chance to vote in a primary.
That's a false argument.
The question isn't which of the candidates that the GOP foisted upon us would have been better. The question is, "If the GOP commited itself to only backing true conservatives what other candidates would we have had instead of the milquetoast dweebs we ended up with?"
Fiscal liberals out of my party. Big government RINOs out of my party.
Chuck the RINOs out and let's see who's left.
When you return to a flood-ravaged house you don't pick through the garbage and try to rebuild with the moldy flotsam. You clean it out first.
“That’s a false argument.
The question isn’t which of the candidates that the GOP foisted upon us would have been better. The question is, “If the GOP commited itself to only backing true conservatives what other candidates would we have had instead of the milquetoast dweebs we ended up with?” “
It is a perfectly clear and true argument.
A lot of candidates ran. True conservative Hunter couldn’t get out of single digits anywhere.
McCain won in GO only California.
The “GOP” doesn’t pick and chose who runs, the candidates do.
The RNC and the state GOP organizations choose the candidates by how they spend their money and how they organize the primaries.
“The RNC and the state GOP organizations choose the candidates by how they spend their money and how they organize the primaries.”
So what was done in this regard, that impacted the outcome for Hunter, since he personifies the FR view of a true conservative?
The individual candidates raise their own money, they don’t get it from the GOP.
The primary dates and formats are set long before the races. All candidates compete by the same rules.
It's what was not done.
If the RNC established a fiscal and social conservative platform, and required all candidates to sign on to it or be ineligible to receive RNC money or support McCain, Guiliani, Romney and Huckabee would not have run. They wouldn't have qualified.
McCain because of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Leiberman. Guiliani because of his pro-abort stance. Huckabee because of his tax hikes, increased regulation and increased spending. Romney because of his support for abortion, his support for gay rights and gay marriage, raising taxes and fees and instituting socialized healthcare.
By eliminating the RINOs you end up with Thompson, Pence and Hunter.
How's that work for you?
Our nominee is chosen before most of the conservatives even get a chance to vote in a primary.
***That’s why I’ve been pushing for a primary system where the order is determined by the percentage of republicans registered. The higher the %, the sooner they vote in the primaries. We schedule 2 per week for the republicans, and 2 per week for the democrats — who could use the same system for their party if they wanted. 4 primaries a week, 13 weeks total, with most of the biggest states coming in last because their percentages are likely to be more split than smaller states.
I think that sounds like a plan. I know living where I live our state would be one of the last but that would be fine with me, as long as the party isn’t set up to give us a RINO like it is now.
We sure have to come up with something better or we will never have a conservative nominee. Which is the plan now I imagine.
I suggest ignore them, use them for entertainment- whatever. Maybe at some point in the process they will see the light or if not they will likely leave on their own because at that point we will be too “radical” for them. Don’t let them stand in the way- just drive on.
We let the MSM choose our candidate for us. that has to stop! I didn’t even vote in the primary because McCain was already our nominee by the time Texans could vote.
We can tell who the left is afraid of by the way they demonize them or ignore them. Newt was a brilliant politician but a flawed human (who isn’t flawed) the media destroyed him over his book deal. Hunter was great, remember how he was ignored? Remember how the press swooned over McCain? I do, I never liked McCain but he was the media’s choice!
More parties is a bad idea. Look what Ross Perot did to us.
You are a conservative living in Austin? How do you manage that?
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
P.S. Say hello to Chuckles for me.
"A party based on what I seek"? If I understand you, you are referring to a party dedicated to Constitutional and conservative principles? Years ago, I thought the Republican Party was such a party, or at least one more dedicated to Constitutional and conservative principles than the Democratic Party. Eight years of Bush/Cheney and six years of their doormat Republican Congress made me realize that the Republican Party is never going to stand for anything but its own power and patronage.
A week ago, tens of millions of voters slammed the door on the GOP's bid for continued power, and I couldn't care less if that party never regains its footing.
Last week's catastrophe is going to be the first in a long line for the GOP, until that wretched bunch of hacks and rent-seekers expires. Chuckle about that until you choke.
I maintain my conservatism through sheer grit. It isn’t easy -especially since my neighbors decorated their lawns with Obama signs. They are just the sort of people whose pocket he is going to pick.
Very well said :) **
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