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Recommended Gun List for Freepers (Vanity)
11/09/2008 | SoftwareEngineer

Posted on 11/09/2008 8:26:46 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer

I would like to request that fellow Freepers help us non knowledgeable gun owners in recommending guns that we can buy before gun laws get changed. Many of us have only a basic semi automatic hand gun and have never given much thought to anything else.

However, before gun laws change I would like to complete my gun collection and even buy guns that I can leave to my children.

Maybe we can organize the recommendations as follows:



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To: AlmaKing

LOL

Good luck getting those anywhere.


51 posted on 11/09/2008 9:30:27 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

My basics right now.
Pistols
CZ-52 x2
Helwan

Rifles
WASR-10 converted to hicap mags
Saiga 308-1
CAR-15
Spanish Model 1916 in .308
Marlin model 60


52 posted on 11/09/2008 9:30:55 PM PST by Kadric
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To: Kadric

Meant to add if you take out the CAR I have under $1000.00 in the rest total.


53 posted on 11/09/2008 9:33:07 PM PST by Kadric
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To: AlmaKing

uhhh.....seriously?

It is good, but where and how much?


54 posted on 11/09/2008 9:35:04 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah, John, their families and the conservative voters)
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To: Sender
How good is the foreign ammo that aimsurplus sells, they seem to have the best prices?

I'm hurting for .45 & .38.

55 posted on 11/09/2008 9:35:34 PM PST by dalereed
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To: TheZMan

I don’t know where you are, but it must be someplace like CA, DC or NY where they don’t believe in self defense. You might need to take a vacation somewhere to pick one up.


56 posted on 11/09/2008 9:39:39 PM PST by Marauder (I never thought America would elect a socialist president.)
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To: yarddog
Good list. I applaud your perspicacity yarddog.
57 posted on 11/09/2008 9:44:10 PM PST by Brucifer ("The dog ate my copy of the Constitution." G W Bush)
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To: dalereed

Walmart has similar prices......For example:

Winchester 40 s&W 100 Trget Practice 28.00
50 at a gun show was 16.00

Winchester 40 S&W 50 Hollow Point 22.00 Gun show
20.00 Walmart

Remington Dicks 40 S&W Target Practice 20.00 (.25% off 15.00)

I noticed the 9mm ammo is half that price.

For the guy that posted.....since noone put a price on it.

I just saw .40,.45, and 9mm Taurus 24/7 Compact Semi Automatic (Great Handgun) 2 cartridges 370.00 at the gunshow. 450 at Gander Mountain.


58 posted on 11/09/2008 9:45:58 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah, John, their families and the conservative voters)
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To: dalereed

Sorry...I have found .45 and .40 are the same price on ammo, maybe a little higher on .45.

I believe the 38 would be close to the 9mm. Don’t quote me on that though.


59 posted on 11/09/2008 9:48:02 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah, John, their families and the conservative voters)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Springfield EMP (spendy-small frame 9mm on a 1911 frame)
Mossberg 500A Persuader
Ruger Mini 14-.223 with Scope
Remington Rand .45
Ruger SP101 .357
Walther P99-9mm (small hand size)
Smith and Wesson 910-9mm
(9 )Winchester Model 61’s- Vintage pump action .22
Ruger 10/22 with more clips and ammo that they make in a day
870 Remington. 12 gauge (2)
.25 Cal American Arms pocket gun
,30-,30 Winchester lever action
.45Long Colt Cowboy Action Single shot
A few more
Need——
AR15 before they are banned....again...


60 posted on 11/09/2008 9:50:01 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Please list brands that are relatively easy to buy in the United States as most of us don't have access to that clever gunmaker in the Czech Republic or wherever

Czech made CZs and Slovak make ZC are both easy to find in the US, the former more so than than the latter. Plus, Italian made copies, or in one case derivative which CZ later copied, are available from EAA (European American Armory). All can be found at any medium to large gun show.

61 posted on 11/09/2008 9:50:49 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

Walmart doesn’t sell ammo in California.

Aim has .38 for $11.95 and .45 for $15.95

With our sales tax at 7.75%, it should come close to covering shipping.


62 posted on 11/09/2008 9:51:39 PM PST by dalereed
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To: wastedyears
What about us that are deeply entrenched in Liberal bastions?

Move, now, before it's too late. Things are not going to better anywhere, but sure as heck not in the deep blue states.

63 posted on 11/09/2008 9:52:01 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TheZMan
looking for a good CHL semiauto in 9mm that doesn’t cost a fortune

I am partial to the Beretta 9000s. It is accurate (most important factor). It is also light and fits in the hand naturally. I got one for $350.

64 posted on 11/09/2008 9:54:36 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: mvruckman
what's the sense if they're just going to hand them over when "pressed"?

I agree; a good hidey-hole is a must.

And I was armed on 9-11. In fact, I found a used Remington 870 for about $100; it turned out the barrel was bent, but trimming it to 18" solved that, plus adding a mag extension so that it carries 6 rounds of buckshot makes me feel secure.

As I explained to my friend the city cop: It aint a game gun, unless terrorists are protected.

65 posted on 11/09/2008 9:54:48 PM PST by Marauder (I never thought America would elect a socialist president.)
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To: Marauder

I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.


66 posted on 11/09/2008 9:57:14 PM PST by redstateconfidential ("Go to the mattresses")
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To: redstateconfidential

LOL especially those that are 10-7 at Dunkin Donuts a lot.


67 posted on 11/09/2008 10:01:03 PM PST by Marauder (I never thought America would elect a socialist president.)
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To: Swiss

No thanks


68 posted on 11/09/2008 10:03:14 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Good subject... BTTT for more comments


69 posted on 11/09/2008 10:07:02 PM PST by LowOiL (Tagline: Optional, printed after your name on post)
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AR-15

I recommend the Colt LE 6920. High quality materials and manufacturing. Great resale value. The gold-standard in AR-15s. I just bought one here:

https://policeguns.com/catalog/


70 posted on 11/09/2008 10:09:16 PM PST by willgetsome
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To: FrdmLvr
, I don’t think he’ll want to get in to a second amendment quagmire, it would stir the conservative base too much. And, it would take too long

Well that's not what his Change.gov site said, before it's agenda section was takend down yesterday.

It said:

* Address Gun Violence in Cities:
As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

Repeal the Tihart amendment, means give anti-gun politicians access to gun trace data, for use against legitimate gun dealers, even those well outside their jurisdiction.

The Assault Weapons ban will be new and improved, and will not have the "Two characteristics" test which allowed for minor cosmetic changes to various AR and AK type rifles/carbines. In fact there is a bill, HR 1022 in Congress now, which will only have to be refiled on January 5th. It defines assault weapon as:

The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
`(ii) AR-10;
`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
`(iv) AR70;
`(v) Calico Liberty;
`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
`(xi) M1 Carbine;
`(xii) Saiga;
`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
`(xv) SLG 95;
`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
`(xvii) Steyr AUG;
`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
`(xix) Tavor;
`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) Calico M-110;
`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;
`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;
`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or
`(v) Uzi.
`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) Armscor 30 BG;
`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
`(iii) Striker 12; or
`(iv) Streetsweeper.
`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a pistol grip;
`(iv) a forward grip; or
`(v) a barrel shroud.

`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has--

`(i) a second pistol grip;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a barrel shroud; or
`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.
`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;v `(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).
`(K) A conversion kit.
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

The definitions of "pistol grip" and "Barrel shroud" are such that essentially all semi-automatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns would be banned.

But as you can see their main emphasis is on rifles. The Full capacity magazine ban in there too.

Fifty caliber sniper rifles are covered by another law that will also need to be refiled, S. 1331

71 posted on 11/09/2008 10:12:13 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Two words to keep in mind - parts availability.
Probably the first anti-gun thing Obama will do is make an executive order banning the importation of all or most foreign-made guns, gun parts and ammo. He will surely ban the importation of high-capacity magazines, perhaps ban the importation of all magazines.

In a survival scenario, it will be practical to own an AR-15 type rifle in .223/5.56. If anything breaks on your AR-15, you will be able to find spare parts for it. I know that AR-15 rifles with 16 inch barrels are very popular. I prefer the AR-15 with a 20 inch barrel - the longer barrel makes a somewhat better long-range use of the small bullet than a shorter barrel.

Likewise, parts are widely available for 1911-style pistols. A basic 1911 is a good choice. Of course, many "foreign" handguns are made in the U.S., such as Beretta, SIG, Glock, etc. I like the SIG pistols - I own several and they are accurate and super-reliable. If you are interested in a 1911 style pistol for home defense, you do not need a tricked-out, expensive 1911 with a match trigger.

I like to try and keep things simple. Sometimes people are too caught up with gadgets. For example, you can get an AK-47 semi-auto style rifle and put a scope on it. The AK-47 rifle does not have great long-range accuracy, so I don't see what value a scope has for such a rifle. I am not knocking the AK-47, I am just saying that gadgets will not make it more accurate.

72 posted on 11/09/2008 10:13:46 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Once I have a good list, I am sure I will be able to get them within a month or two.

You don't have much more than that, so get cracking. The bills will be filed Jan. 5 or within a day or three of then, and will be ready for The Signature of The One, come January 21st.

73 posted on 11/09/2008 10:13:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

***Move, now, before it’s too late.***

I’ve had thoughts of leaving everything but my clothes, music, guitar, bike and telescope behind.

As disgusting as it sounds, that would include family and friends. I’m quite sure none of my family would leave, and maybe one or two friends would follow me.


74 posted on 11/09/2008 10:16:44 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: Balding_Eagle
For hunters who are used to the Remington and others that have the safety by the trigger guard it probably IS NOT in the natural place, and could cost that fraction of a second. For me, the non-hunter, it’s perfect and factored big on chosing it.

Mine are just backwards from that. My "Serious Social Purposes" Maverick has the cross bolt safety, my "hunting" Browning BPS, the thumb safety. However even though I've had it for a couple of decades now, I really haven't used the BPS that much, and the JC Higgins I had before that, which I used a lot, had the cross bolt, so I'm quite comfortable with that anyway.

75 posted on 11/09/2008 10:21:21 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wastedyears
What about us that are deeply entrenched in Liberal bastions?
You will flee to the free zones, the free lands, where we will take you in and you will join us. It may be rough, and we'll set up refugee camps that will be clean and orderly, but we'll get through it together.
76 posted on 11/09/2008 10:23:14 PM PST by FTL
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To: FTL

Refugee camps? I wanna fight

Somebody in a free land attempts to put me in a ‘refugee camp’, they’ll have to put me in jail because I’ll fight with them too. No cowering and waiting out the storm for me.


77 posted on 11/09/2008 10:26:40 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: ASOC
All the ammo I have purchased of late is furrin made/surplus with the old time type primers.

Where can one find the 'furrin made'? I might as well get the best "bang" for my buck. :)

78 posted on 11/09/2008 10:26:44 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: TheZMan
45 is just a tad heavy for me to be accurate with, and 38 was too light to be convincing.

You might want to look at the EAA Witness compact with muzzle compensator. It's light, and the comp reduces the felt recoil to less than 1911 levels in a much lighter gun. Downside is the muzzle flash at night will blind you, as well as your target. For night encounters I keep the 1911 nearby. It's also made in 9mm and .40 S&W. Not sure you can still get the version with the built in compensator.

79 posted on 11/09/2008 10:29:22 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wastedyears

No, the fighters will fight along side us of course. I’m just talking about the basic logistics though. Where your family goes, that kind of thing.

Still, I think the military would just coup out a fraudulent regime and we’ll all be just fine. They are not going to take the side of a Marxist regime as those of us who served can attest to. They never have and never will. They’ll set proper elections back up, anyone caught engaging in vote fraud will be summarily executed, and only legitimate American citizens can run.

Sound fair enough, eh?


80 posted on 11/09/2008 10:30:50 PM PST by FTL
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To: TaxPayer2000

81 posted on 11/09/2008 10:31:38 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Nicce


82 posted on 11/09/2008 10:33:11 PM PST by FTL
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To: FrdmLvr

Congress, Congress, Congress will jump in with both feet anti-gun from day one...and the Dali Bama will sign anything they pass...that is his job description!


83 posted on 11/09/2008 10:36:33 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're in the basin, that's the best)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

BFLR.


85 posted on 11/09/2008 10:38:23 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

A fairly inclusive website for anything “shooting”. Every manufacturer site - accessory sites - everything you may need..

http://www.shootguns.info/


86 posted on 11/09/2008 10:38:43 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: SoftwareEngineer

The question will be you vs. Barry Soetero’s Civilian Defense Corps who will militarily train all of the youth with basic military training to enforce the new set of social norms such as the 1st and 2nd Amendments, which will be revoked.

This guy has power, so much power the the Justice Dept. whinnied like a sick horse when presented with ACORN voting, illegal foreign contributions and fraudlent credit card donation policies...hell, he apparently killed the gay choir director of Rev. Wright’s church and silenced a Republican governor about a birth certificate.

He quashed the LA Times to not release a videotape of he and Ayers praising Rahsidi.

He nearly jailed Jerome Corsi for attempting to dig into his birth certificate and connection to Odinga.

He used public officials to raze Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin, including an on-the-spot investigation called “faux-Trooergate”

This guy has power, real power and he wants to push the US into a Marxist utopia of Liberalism and Muslim appeasement.

It will be you vs. a newly trained ObamaArmy private, in the end.

Keep practicing. Stock up on ammo. Keep money and food nearby. Pray to Jesus.


87 posted on 11/09/2008 10:42:21 PM PST by wac3rd (Conservatives are not always Republicans...and vice-versa.)
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To: FTL

Sounds good to me.


88 posted on 11/09/2008 10:42:51 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
The AK-47 rifle does not have great long-range accuracy, so I don't see what value a scope has for such a rifle. I am not knocking the AK-47, I am just saying that gadgets will not make it more accurate.

However a holographic sight would make it more "shootable" in an urban battle scenario. Take a look at pictures of our troops in the cities, towns and villages of Iraq and Afghanistan. You'll most have some kind of holographic optic. There's a good reason for that. It will apply to an AK just as much as an AR. They aren't in general cheap, but there are less expensive versions which would likely be fine for an AK.

89 posted on 11/09/2008 10:43:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

You’re talking about EOTech optics. They run from $400-$600 bones. I have a Bushnell Red Dot/Green Dot on my AR, $242 including tax.


90 posted on 11/09/2008 10:50:32 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: TheZMan

S&W 9SV (Sigma); they are on sale now for around $299 with a $50 dollar rebate or two mags. Ergonomically, the most comfortable auto pistol on the market. Function (I have a .40),
the only FTF or FTE I’ve had was with using Monarch ammo...I don’t use that anymore. Excellent bang (no pun intended) for the buck. It is a “striker “fired (essentially a double action auto)pistol; if you’d rather a DA/SA pistol, check out the FNH or CZ75...excellent choices. Buy more ammo.


91 posted on 11/09/2008 10:52:03 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're in the basin, that's the best)
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To: wastedyears
As disgusting as it sounds, that would include family and friends.

Immediate or extended?

I wouldn't want to leave my wife and kids behind (well kids are on their own now, and wife lives almost 4 hours away, but we commute, kids are actually closer, only about an hour, in the opposite direction of course. But all are in Texas, and all of them can shoot, even though they don't have any guns handy at the moment. Well one daughter does, as her hubby is also a Texan, the other has one from New Jersey, who nonetheless is working on learning to shoot, but he's terribly recoil shy, so I have him working with my heavy barrel Ruger 22/45 for now. Made the mistake of letting him try the 1911, and I think he put a round into the ceiling of the range. :( ) Wife needs a nice pistol caliber carbine for home defense, maybe with a light handgun (9x18 maybe or .380) to back it up.

92 posted on 11/09/2008 10:53:03 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: The Duke

Keep it dry and below 80-85F, a long time, WW2 ‘06 ammo still goes bang and will reach out and touch...anything you aim at.


93 posted on 11/09/2008 10:58:25 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're in the basin, that's the best)
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To: El Gato

Immediate; my parents and sister whom I live with, grandfather and uncle in Manhattan, and my cousin and his family who are a stone’s throw away (a pro baseball player could hit where they live with a ball).

Then there’s 3 friends who I’ve known for half my life...


94 posted on 11/09/2008 11:04:05 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: Atchafalaya
Cabela's, at least the Buda TX, location, has the Steyr MA-1 in 9mm and 40 S&S on sale for $369.99 right now. I think you can do better though.

I just checked and all the Bushmaster carbines on Gallery of Guns show as "out of stock", and that's a lot of dealers to not have any. Although that may mean they don't have any to sell through that website, but do have some in their stores. Have to check the one in town I've been meaning to check anyway. (But it burnt down some time ago, and has only recently reopened for gun sales)

95 posted on 11/09/2008 11:05:41 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
1. Semi Automatic Pistol(Basic)
Glock or Springfield XD - 9mm .40 or .45
2. Semi Automatic Pistol(High End)
Sig Sauer - various, but the 250 is real nice or any good 1911
3. Revolver (Basic)
snubby Tarus or S&W .38+P or .357
4. Revolver (High End)
S&W Model 325 Thunder Ranch or Model 326 M&P 8-shot
5. Shot Gun (Basic)
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 (pump)
6. Shot Gun (High End)
Remington 1100
7. Others AK47 or AR15
8. .308 or comparable bolt action all weather rifle with a good scope (reach out and touch someone) Lots to choose from...
9. Recommended Accessories EoTech or good red dot sight for your combat rifle
10. Magazines and ammo (lots)
11. Cleaning equipment
12. more ammo (you need practice ammo and "tactical" ammo
13. spare parts
96 posted on 11/09/2008 11:12:22 PM PST by smokingfrog (<|- The .44 magnum = 1,500 fps |=|=| The 44 Obama = 186k $ps -|>)
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To: randomhero97
You’re talking about EOTech optics.

Not just those, but also Trijicon ACOG, and others, including one that looks like an EOTech but somewhat larger. Actually last I checked you could get the EOTech for about 325-350, unless you insist on night vision compatibility, but that's still mighty high for something for an AK, although not for an AR.

97 posted on 11/09/2008 11:15:53 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wastedyears
Somebody in a free land attempts to put me in a ‘refugee camp’, they’ll have to put me in jail because I’ll fight with them too. No cowering and waiting out the storm for me.

I don't think he was talking about a "camp" with guard towers and such, unless they were facing out for protection rather than in. The refugee camp is for your family. They'll need somewhere to live while you're off doing your "patriotic chore". At least until better digs can be found or built.

Don't confuse a refugee camp with a reeducation or work camp.

98 posted on 11/09/2008 11:20:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

True, true. Yeah, I looked at the high end EOTech. Not really necessary for the basics. Aimpoint makes a decent optic as well. They look the best on M1A/SOCOM rifles.


99 posted on 11/09/2008 11:25:31 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: wastedyears
When you're an adult, your parents, and siblings are no longer "immediate" family, love them though you do. That's your wife and kids, if any. Most of our ancestors left their families to settle here. Mine did, from southern Germany. Although they already had a couple of kids, they did leave the rest of their relatives behind. That was in the mid 1860s. Others came both earlier and later, but those are the ones I know the most about.

I would hate to betray the promise that they came here to fulfill.

100 posted on 11/09/2008 11:26:06 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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