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Prosecuting High-level Americans for War Crimes
JURIST ^ | 9/22/2008 | Benjamin Davis

Posted on 11/15/2008 11:27:34 AM PST by tornadochaser

Prosecuting High-level Americans for War Crimes

On September 13-14, 2008, over two hundred people from the United States and abroad gathered in Andover. Massachusetts for ... Conference on the Planning for Prosecution of High Level American War Criminals...

Impeachment of Bush-Cheney

... the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney was very much on the table ...

Local, state and federal criminal prosecution

...the Brattleboro, Vermont, ordinance that calls for the arrest on sight of Bush and/or Cheney...

One particular scenario ... was to charge Bush and Cheney with murder of U.S. soldiers who have died in the Iraq and Afghanistan war under state law. ...

examined the possibilities for such criminal prosecution in state court. ...

Charlotte Dennett, advised that if she were elected she would consider opening state murder prosecutions against Bush and Cheney.

One strategy ... having hundreds of local DA's of the 2700 in the United States start those prosecutions in municipal courts. These state criminal prosecutions would put pressure or make it easier for a federal district attorney ... including such crimes as obstruction of justice, criminal use of classified documents, etc and the other crimes that typically catch high-level civilians was encouraged in an effort to find ways to vindicate international law rules through the domestic courts.

... common law courts... was examined as a means to turn revisionist international law theory to the advantage of those seeking prosecution... The Federal Assimilated Crimes Acts could also make federal charges on customary international law grounds...

State licensing complaints

Complaints to state licensing authorities for psychologists and lawyers were examined ... to sanction those who are considered to have broken the law and betrayed their professional oaths

See here for more.

A current comment thread is at The Volokh Conspiracy blog.

(Excerpt) Read more at jurist.law.pitt.edu ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 111th; 20080913; 20080914; andover; bho2008; bleedingheartattack; bush; cpphlawc; cwii; moonbats; prosecution; robertjackson; torture; warcrimes
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This is a large, organized witch-hunt by activists to persecute members of the Bush administration *and others* for "war crimes."

This would cripple our efforts in the war on terrorism and greatly divide the American people.

Freepers should pay heed!

1 posted on 11/15/2008 11:27:34 AM PST by tornadochaser
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To: tornadochaser

Been paying attention. Reminds me of South Carolina in 1860 ~ so we know exactly what it means. Now, for something like Kansas in the 1850s ~ and this time no more Mr. Nice Guy. It’s time to clean the rebels out.


2 posted on 11/15/2008 11:29:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: tornadochaser

Someone should go there to Massachusetts and mention that they should also try JFK in absentia for even worse war crimes.

JFK
Bay of Pigs: 4000 (as many as) RESULT: Failure
Vietnam: 60,000 Americans, 1 million Asians RESULT: Failure

Bush
Afghanistan: 1000 or so (less than 700 American Casualties)
Iraq: 5000 or less American casualties

RESULT: Both governments have been uprooted and deposed.


3 posted on 11/15/2008 11:34:06 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: tornadochaser

...imagine that you’re a terrorist sitting in a cave in Afghanistan. You’re getting your ass kicked everyday by the US military and then you read this.

Terrorists in Guantanamo are going to get more favorable treatment than the people trying to protect us from the scum in Guantanamo. Never thought I’d see the day...


4 posted on 11/15/2008 11:34:17 AM PST by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: tornadochaser

I hope they do. Maybe then a few of these “high-level Americans” will finally grow a pair and take the situation in hand. Nothing will be done without leadership, and we have none.


5 posted on 11/15/2008 11:35:35 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: tornadochaser

Forgot to mention, that in the case of Iraq, we went in to remove WOMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) and in fact, removed more than 500 metric tons of Yellowcake Uranium from Iraq.

Kennedy achievced nothing in two wars, and for an encore, almost launched WWIII - a major nuclear exchange with Russia over missiles that have since ended up back in Cuba.


6 posted on 11/15/2008 11:36:08 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: tornadochaser
Of course, these Commie maggots are too chickensh*t to go after the REAL MURDERERS. Bad things might happen to their sorry asses.

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7 posted on 11/15/2008 11:36:16 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I voted for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: tornadochaser

RE: “This would cripple our efforts in the war on terrorism and greatly divide the American people. :

It’s Obamas war on terror now and dividing the american people is the name of game on both sides. Hard to see this going anywhere. Lets see Moonbats/Sheenans pressure federal democrats to do this, and then we got a golden issue.


8 posted on 11/15/2008 11:37:01 AM PST by sickoflibs ( Have we had enough loss and humiliation? Then what do we stand for?)
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To: tornadochaser

This is a ridiculous effort. If they go after Bush and Cheney, then someone ought to go after the Democrat felons including Obama and Pelosi and others for treason, Frank and Dodd for fraud and bribery, so many others that I don’t think they really want to go there, at least not the sane ones.


9 posted on 11/15/2008 11:37:32 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: tornadochaser
it was proposed that a Central Committee be created

Hmmmm. Help me here: Where have I heard that phrase "Central Committee" before?

10 posted on 11/15/2008 11:38:00 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: LibWhacker

What a barrel of monkeys this would open up.


11 posted on 11/15/2008 11:41:39 AM PST by Dallas59 (Redistribute Obamas Wealth)
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To: tornadochaser

If Saddam was in charge he would go up and gas these seditious traitors.


12 posted on 11/15/2008 11:42:03 AM PST by boomop1
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To: tornadochaser
Thank you to all the third party voters and the say at home all or nothing cry baby conservatives that did not vote in 2008, thus allowing the marxist terrorist appeasing dictator Obama to win. This train wreck belongs to you all and the idiots that voted Obama.

May the dangers and hardship ahead affect you all more than those of us that tried to prevent this from occurring. I have no sympathy for you if it does.

13 posted on 11/15/2008 11:44:00 AM PST by jrooney
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To: tornadochaser

It would be something if there were trials and the truth came out. It would be something good.


14 posted on 11/15/2008 11:45:25 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: tornadochaser

If the witch hunt is carried out as badly as this is argued and written, I don’t think Bush and Cheney have much to worry about. A brief look revealed a grammatical error, an assertion that the 9th Circuit is too conservative (!) and a proposal to arrest them if they go to some hayseed hippie town in Vermont. As if. Academics are living in a parallel universe. The thing I dislike the most is that they do it on the public dime.


15 posted on 11/15/2008 11:45:55 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: tornadochaser

Bush should write the authorization to destroy any possible White House and administration records that could be used to prosecute any member of his administration or military command, then issue a pardon for any crimes any of them had committed while performing their duties.

Then they could feel free to utterly reject any assertion of criminality by congressional committee or judge in the US. They would be covered in several ways, because even if evidence wasn’t destroyed, they would be pardoned, yet none of the destroyed evidence would be usable against anyone else.

Finally, Bush could sign the pardons, but not publicly release them until needed.


16 posted on 11/15/2008 11:52:25 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: tornadochaser
Can we begin with these?


17 posted on 11/15/2008 11:55:58 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: tornadochaser
And then what will they do - individually call out their names - like Saddam Hussein did - and take 'em out back to shoot them?
18 posted on 11/15/2008 11:59:06 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Of course, these Commie maggots are too chickensh*t to go after the REAL MURDERERS. Bad things might happen to their sorry asses.


If our Great President Bush had the full support of All Americans, he probably could have captured Osama bin Laden by now.


19 posted on 11/15/2008 12:00:03 PM PST by FFranco
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To: tornadochaser

The UN Iraq mandate will expire 31 Dec, however, Iraq and the USA have completed an agreement to an extension. It’s all legal.


20 posted on 11/15/2008 12:04:07 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: tornadochaser
The Left is ungracious even in the throes of victory.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

21 posted on 11/15/2008 12:05:19 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FFranco

I agree. The anti-America crowd infesting this country really made it tough for our military to fight the WOT.


22 posted on 11/15/2008 12:06:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I voted for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: tornadochaser

“The use of common law courts in places, such as Florida, was examined as a means to turn revisionist international law theory to the advantage of those seeking prosecution by asserting customary international humanitarian and human rights law violations as common law applicable in state courts prosecutions. “

No wonder Ive been under the impression that recent Supreme Court majority decisions were been written by Borat. The “judicial precedent” could actually have originated in Khazakstan.


23 posted on 11/15/2008 12:14:23 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: tornadochaser
This would cripple our efforts in the war on terrorism and greatly divide the American people.

The plan of the Obama Nation is to end any war on Islamic or Marxist terrorism and "unite" the American people in much the same way the Vietnamese were united after 1975.

24 posted on 11/15/2008 12:22:38 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: tornadochaser

Ya know,, what goes around comes around. I think some very strong cases could be made for treason against nearly every Democrat leader in the nation, and a whole host of newspapers and news anchors.
So,, lets just tear ourselves apart.
These people are dangerous.


25 posted on 11/15/2008 12:26:48 PM PST by freemike
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To: I see my hands

That’s a big “if.” Truth would be great.


26 posted on 11/15/2008 12:32:25 PM PST by Clara Lou (McCain/Palin)
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To: tornadochaser

If I were Cheney, I’d go to Brattleboro and dare those pissants to arrest me. Make them look like the a$$ clowns that they are.


27 posted on 11/15/2008 12:34:56 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: tornadochaser

If they are going to have a War Crimes Tribunal, they should start with indicting Bill Clinton and Wesley Clark for the 1999 Bombing of Yugoslavia. It would only be fair since these are the ones who resurrected this “International War Crimes” BS again!


28 posted on 11/15/2008 12:54:23 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; Jack Black; ...

CW II Ping !! The Omabunists are seriously over-reaching if they try something like this. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. Any attempts to perform a citizens arrest on Bush may well result in serious injury or death of the arresting moonbat. The Secret Service don’t mess around.


29 posted on 11/15/2008 12:55:02 PM PST by Jack Black (NO MANDATORY SERVICE IN THE OBAMA-YOUTH !)
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To: tornadochaser

After I posted the excerpt, I wrote this up in more detail in two blog articles that examine the consequences of these policies.

See analysis:http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/?p=623 and fisked:http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/?p=622


30 posted on 11/15/2008 1:09:06 PM PST by tornadochaser (Radiation fears are greatly overblown - don't leet the greenies scare you)
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To: tornadochaser
I'd sure as hell LOVE to see some HIGH-LEVEL officials PROSECUTED -- but NOT FOR WAR CRIMES!

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31 posted on 11/15/2008 1:10:47 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: tornadochaser

At some point over the past few months I read a direct quote that Obama has every intention of putting the US in the International Criminal Court of Justice. That could very well be the flashpoint that triggers a Civil War in this country.


32 posted on 11/15/2008 1:18:25 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: tornadochaser; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

33 posted on 11/15/2008 1:20:20 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: tornadochaser
Benjamin G. Davis, the author, is a tenured academic Marxist Dresden-school wrecker and destroyer whose primary interests, outside his teaching area, are attending and supporting Stalinist-front National Lawyers Guild mock trials and other similar circuses and attacking ICANN in academic papers and pushing alternative online dispute resolution schemes in competition with ICANN.

His overarching interest seems to be the destruction of the United States and the subjugation of its people by Marxist-Leninist international organs.

Anything that would serve to help defend the People, he is against; anything that could serve as a "tool" of the U.S. Government, he decries; and he volubly insists that the most senior officers of the United States Government should be put on trial before an international kangaroo court of Leftists.

His University of Toledo bio page, with links, is here:

http://www.utlaw.edu/students/faculty/BDavis/BDavis.htm

34 posted on 11/15/2008 1:24:13 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: tornadochaser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar%27s_civil_war#The_political.2Fmilitary_situation_preceding_the_war

After the First Triumvirate ended, the senate supported Pompey, who became sole consul in 52 BC. Meanwhile, Caesar had become a military hero as well as a champion of the people. The senate feared him and wanted him to give up his army, knowing that he hoped to be consul when his term in Gaul expired. In December 50 BC, Caesar wrote to the senate saying that he would give up his army if Pompey would give up his. The senate heard the letter with fury and demanded that Caesar disband his army at once or be declared an enemy of the people—an illegal bill, for Caesar was entitled to keep his army until his term was up. Another reason for Caesar's immediate want for another consulship was to delay his inevitable senatorial prosecutions waiting for him after retirement of his position. The potential prosecutions were based on irregularities related to his term as consul and loose accusations of war crimes throughout his campaigns in Gaul.

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This is the exact same political stupidity that lead to the end of the Roman Republic.

35 posted on 11/15/2008 1:28:13 PM PST by the lone wolf (Good Luck, and watch out for stobor.)
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To: muawiyah
Been paying attention. Reminds me of South Carolina in 1860

Illinois must breed something into candidates that causes the Union to dissolve, only this time the pretender from Illinois is an illegal alien and not qualified to be POTUS.

36 posted on 11/15/2008 1:33:36 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (In Memory of Liberty and Freedom - July 4, 1776 - November 4, 2008)
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To: 3AngelaD

I’d like to see some hayseed Vermont sherif drawn down on GW or Cheney and try to arrest them. The Secret Service’s answer would be Bang! One dead sheriff.


37 posted on 11/15/2008 1:38:43 PM PST by piytar
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Reference your post # 7.

In the communists a/k/a Democrats view those are murderers. They are “freedom fighters”.

WE are the murderers. Republicans, even “Country Club Republicans” are also included.

They are going to indict President Bush on some type “war crimes” or “crimes aginst the people” charges.

It may not be right. It may have never been done before. The inmates, thanks to the “American” voters are now running the asslym.

While Power is not always right, Power is always Power and those in Power do as they please.


38 posted on 11/15/2008 1:40:19 PM PST by sport
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To: caseinpoint

The losers do’t get to try the winners.


39 posted on 11/15/2008 1:41:32 PM PST by sport
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To: 3catsanadog

Yep!


40 posted on 11/15/2008 1:42:41 PM PST by sport
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To: sport

I know one thing, it sure is going to put a dent in military recruiting. Who is going to want to fight for this country if you are subject to being tried for war crimes if you do.


41 posted on 11/15/2008 1:44:33 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I voted for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: piytar

We need some sort of volunteer guard force to protect ex-presidents from people like this.


42 posted on 11/15/2008 1:47:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: FlingWingFlyer

You got that right. I hope. I am tired of trying to figure the American people.


43 posted on 11/15/2008 1:48:16 PM PST by sport
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To: freemike

So,, lets just tear ourselves apart.


There is every reason to believe that this is our only option. We will, in the next 12 months, be at war with a leftist regime that seeks to destroy Constitutional government.


44 posted on 11/15/2008 1:50:40 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: tornadochaser; muawiyah

And thus is Bush repaid (once again) for not crushing the left and the Clintons when he had the chance.

These are mean-spirited, small-souled men and women who have been doing everything we accused them of *and* every thing they’ve accused us of.

They were going to hate President Bush anyway. They’re gonna hate him even more because they sat and plotted against him/us for 8 years and assume he/we are doing or will do the same.

Here’s the results of my Google of the members of the “Department of Health and Human Services Team Leads”

http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/2008/11/science-in-obamas-administration.html


45 posted on 11/15/2008 1:52:15 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Jack Black

It has already been too long since the blood of anarchists, communists, violent thugs, wild eyed violent protesters or rioters flowed into the sewer...

It has been due for a long time.....

The delay has only encouraged and increased the size of the threat.....

Violent actions deserve violent consequences.


46 posted on 11/15/2008 1:53:38 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

I second that!


47 posted on 11/15/2008 1:56:33 PM PST by G.Mason
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To: FFranco; All

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The CIA assessment of Iraq that Bush used was made during President Clinton’s final year in office. It said that Saddam had a WMD program and, quite possibly, a nuclear weapon. Every major intelligence agency - Britain’s, France’s, Russia’s, Germany’s, Israel’s, even the U.N.’s - agreed.

Yes, as it turns out, some of that intelligence was wrong. Even so, reasons for getting rid of Saddam were too numerous to ignore. In October of 2002, Congress cited no fewer than 23 reasons when it overwhelmingly gave Bush the right to remove Saddam.

Will Congress and these agencies all be prosecuted for ‘war crimes’?

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48 posted on 11/15/2008 2:56:42 PM PST by patriot08
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To: Jack Black

bump


49 posted on 11/15/2008 3:15:52 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: libsmacker75
At some point over the past few months I read a direct quote that Obama has every intention of putting the US in the International Criminal Court of Justice. That could very well be the flashpoint that triggers a Civil War in this country.

There are over a half a dozen possible flashpoints and Obama and his plans stomp all over them.

401K confiscation
Force majeure on the US Dollar by the fed
Republican witch hunts
Gun Control Laws and brutal confiscations
Lack of citizenship and a brazen ignorance to remove him by the federal gov
Marxism enslavement of our children
Citizen National Security Force aka the American Gangstapo
Nuclear terrorism and suspension of Constitutional Rule by Obama

I won't count tax rates because we as a people have never revolted over this in the last 100 years. I'm sure other people can come up with issues that would provoke a civil war or secession from the USA.

50 posted on 11/15/2008 3:36:39 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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