Posted on 11/15/2008 10:26:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
Whew. Man, I’m good. Scary.
Today in the second or beginning of the third hour on Rush's show it was nearly point for point on the thoughts of if it was planned, by who, who benefited, and many more points.
Don't know if you listen to Rush but it seemed like it was based on this thread. No big deal just an FYI for many who posted on this thread. A compliment I would say.
I usually listen to Rush but missed it today. Thanks for the heads-up.
I try hard to avoid the need for any tinfoil hats but it is very difficult to look at the sequence of events over the past few months and not at least strongly suspect that much was being orchestrated, even if not always in constant coordination, among the Demagogues, Mediascum, some Soros types, etc. Just how very convenient to have this huuuuuuuge financial crisis only 6 weeks before a Presidential election. How convenient..... for some people.
His update (the free one had the details in truncated form) this afternoon.
It was fascinating considering I had spent the morning reading it. Then that afternoon he was covering it like he was reading the post points!
It was interesting.
Yes it is very fascinating. I read the post just this morning, then this afternoon Rush was covering it like he was reading it from the post!
Point by point. That was uncanny too.
Guess Rush does read FR.
Sure. With the rats it's always...
"...the economy, stupid."
As long as the news revolves around economic concerns (people prefer rats) rather than a national security concerns (people prefer GOP), it's going to be lights out for the Republicans. And so six stinking weeks before the election, somebody made sure that the news was going to revolve around an economic crisis. Six weeks before the election! Anybody who thinks this was a coincidence is hopeless.
What amazes me more than anything is that I don't hear any GOP leaders questioning the timing and the tone of Paulsen's "economic nuclear annihilation, we're all dead, oh my God in heaven help us!!!!" alarm, just six weeks before the election. Do they think it was all a coincidence? Outside of this little thread here on Free Republic (and the Rush Limbaugh show) the silence is deafening. I don't get it....
But that's just the way it looks to me.
Several big players had already taken the heat, some having lost their positions. The big money and dems realized it was bad, both the dems and big money thought they could control it.... with help. That was were the planing started but was only small at the time. Some of the dems saw they had a chance to help big money, and get some dems elected. At that time they did not care specifically who.
Big money and some dems in on it just wanted more dems in, a president of their choice would be a possibility. So this might be an opportunity. Remember at the end of 07 and in early 08 they knew of the problems, and of Republicans talking of the problems. The select few who knew in both big money and the dems started to ratchet up the heat on Iraq to divert attention to Iraq. GWB had put in a new tactic and leaders in Iraq and just needed time.
So dems ratchet up the push on Iraq to some what sabotage the chance that Bush and Republicans had made. Note that the Dem presidential candidates had also started to get more vocal, meaning more talking points to the candidates.
Separate of that big money was talking to dems about what they could try. The two groups decided on the plan, thought they could control what ever happened. Big moneys payoff in the deal was government bail out and a bit less control.
As it got to mid-year they bot saw it would be Hillary or Obama and again did not care who. Bush helped with the arranged buyout of Bear Stearns. Made big money and Dems more confident GWB would play as they needed. Then there was the push and the acceptance by Bush's Feds on their quick resolution of Indy Mac “situation”. Obama by June was pretty much it and money and dem players decided to move forward together. As it moved closer to election, the really thought they could control a minimal problem that could be inflated to a crisis situation. (Note the panic McCain dealt with it and the calm Obama was committed to it. Obama was very controlled and made obligatory statements of controled concern.
Obama and Dems at this time thought (and was sured) by the Bear Stearns buyout, it could all be managed by them. Bush doing the bailout (and the allowal of the Indy Mac seizure) made them confident they could, before Obama got in, get the Republicans panicked into making the move with them, and they would not get all the obvious heat.
Note that the Dem house folk, though they could do it themselves, did not move until the republican where on board! Note also that Paulson did not expect to get all the money he asked for, but he did and apparently Doled it out to some favorites. The controls were also very free and many of the big money folks used the money to buy out smalled players and other banks and financial players.
So now they needed to financially aide out more big money players, but it was very selective who was helped and allowed to manage as they wanted, and then who then some bought out other financial companies and smaller banking firms. These early moves and lack of controlled moves made the financial companies around the world also panic. The initial talks of which way our government was going did not give them much confidence all the bad paper they had thought our government would make good might not be reality.
The all realized just how much bad paper they all were in to. And it was off to the races to what we ended up with now.
As to McCain's involvement, I think he got what he thought was good info it was all controlled and he had a chance to get in on the rescue. But he was not in on the whole story and ended up looking like a dupe and out of touch.
Obama definitely knew what was going to happen. He did not realize the scope or possibilities, but could play calm for that reason. He did not know the scope of it. Either because he or his advisor's could not grasp the magnitude of what could be or was unleashed I don't think he could possibly know. After all the big money people did not grasp how bad this would get.
Then the Republicans started to show they were not going to play any more. The dems had some more player who wanted out of the initial mess..like the UAW. When the dems saw what was going to happen to the auto business and that the auto business might not get rescued with the Republicans agreement, they then went to the president again to convince him of the absolute need to save “all the workers”. Meaning UAW jobs. Of course this means primarily US auto business.
The Republican congress held firm though.Bush worked out a deal with congress and Fed on how to spend the money in a different way, but now Bush was on record with Congress so the dems would be able to manage the spin on their major part in the mess. The the foreign owned companies were doing fine up to the financial mess, and probably still will. Obama still did not need to sully his fingers in any way. He will come in and does not need to take any of the blame. The MSM will make it look as it was the Republicans and Bush so he can just “get work to solve the problem left him.
So this seems it all did not work out as it seems they planned and hoped originally, yet it did yield major benefits. Even now they can blame the auto business problem on the Republicans. Better yet when the next step comes when the auto business is not any better in a few months, they can say the Republicans and Bush did not give sufficient money to the auto business. They and Obama can tell the American people that they can fix it but sacrifices need to be made.
And so it starts from here. God help us and the American people who let the Dems and Obama have so much power. Worse by not paying attention the American people are very culpable in what comes from right now.
God help us and the Republic he set up to be created against strong forces. The most powerful empire in the world was thrown off our shores. He helped us set up the seed for strong resolved men could with inspiration build. Let's hope he has one more intervention like he did in the 1700’s.
Did you notice who got slammed the hardest in the Madoff swindle? It looks to me like it was mostly lefties, including some hard-core socialists and anti-American charities and organizations, including the ACLU and an organization that represented Gitmo terrorists. This got me to thinking (dangerous, I know).
Imagine the Madoff phenomenom spread far and wide... it would not be a stretch to wonder if Madoff may be the teensy-weensy tip of a monstrous iceberg. The global markets have taken a gigantic hit. What was it last I looked, about 35%?
We don't know exactly who lost how much, but again, it is no stretch to suspect that some very big names lost a whole lot of money, and therefore, power and influence. Pundits, reporters and "experts" have barely begun to sort out what happened, let alone who got slammed the hardest.
Now, suppose some very smart people in the Bush Administration - - very smart people who had very special access ("inside information", if you will) to banking, tax, and financial data from all over the globe - - were to quietly tip off certain friends to find safe harbor for their money while at the same time manipulating markets in order to bait certain bad guys... And then suppose that when these manipulators with special access to inside information saw that the bad guys had their mouths full of cheese, they sprung a trap...
It's interesting that this "economic meltdown" was announced when it was, and with such wide-eyed, "sky is falling" rhetoric and alarm - - but it WAS announced during the Bush Administration's last throes, and it was announced by Bush's Treasury Secretary Henry Paulsen with Bush's full support. Then, in almost no time at all, Congress goes and passes a no-strings-attached $700 billion dollar "bailout" because they, admittedly, are scared half to death by what Paulsen has told them.
Now, incredibly, we find that the "bailout" money is being used IN SECRET! And WHO is determining the winners and losers in the bailout lottery? That's right - - George W. Bush, through his Treasury Secretary Henry Paulsen, is determining who the winners and losers are. This whole thing is starting to smell to me like the rats once again, headshakingly, walked into a brilliant trap.
Did George Bush get the last laugh? I truly wonder if George Bush has been misunderestimated again, and I also wonder if George Soros has just lost a whole lot of money.
Yep, just wondering.
The 'reason' they did it is that the parasites at the top of the system got caught 'spending' money that wasn't real.
Now, Not-for-profits and the elderly set in Florida are being thrown under the bus.
The big political and Media investors got their money out of the first bailout. That's why you will not be told 'where' your money went.
Rush is a pretty smart guy, you know! : )
What a very interesting line of thought.
Too bad that even if you are 100% correct, you’ll never be able to prove it.
Great stuff! most interesting thread I have been on in a long time. The posts were thoughtful and convincing, someone needs to write a book. It would be a great time to be young, lean and active in the machine - 7 days in May, anyone?
Thanks for that link!
Like I said at the beginning, “...this horrific news about global economic meltdown breaks just six weeks before a Presidential election?? I was born at night, but not last night.”
I believe you are precisely correct, although I recently posted a pie-in-the-sky tin-foiler HERE.
Ooops. Please ignore my last post - - I see you already read my tin-foiler.
FRegards,
LH
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