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Pres. Candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders [Markham Robinson] Sue Obtain Obama Citizenship Proof
Post Chronicle ^ | Nov 17, 2008

Posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:33 PM PST by Red Steel

Presidential candidate

Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a "natural born" citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.

In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama's California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.

In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, "I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; bc; birthcertificate; birthcertificategate; certifigate; keyes; lawsuit; obama; obamafamily; obamatruthfile; whenobamaspeakstruth; whenwillthisdie
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Kenya has publicly declared that all of Mr. Obama’s documents are locked up in a vault. We know Mr. Obama went to Africa as an American tourist to visit his family. Now I ask you: what could possibly be in the Kenyan vault? Records of his taxi-cab rides? His receipts for hotel meals? Remember, he is only there as an American tourist. The only thing worth locking up in a Kenyan vault, and protecting, would be something of actual consequence, such as his Kenyan birth certificate.


201 posted on 11/18/2008 4:51:09 AM PST by NOBO2
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To: Scarchin; pissant; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Polarik; Calpernia; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; ...
...and the people who keep obsessing about this crap were riding the UFO!!!

If the cashier finds a counterfeit bill, the customer has a lot of explaining to do--

--to Federal officials who find nothing humorous about it.

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., has presented only forged Certificates of Live Birth.

Forging government documents rather than demonstrating constitutional qualification is not only suspicious but illegal.

If you are agitated about "obsessing about this crap" then you might eschew these threads--

--although every bump is a good bump and extends the discussion and for that you deserve our thanks.


202 posted on 11/18/2008 12:59:49 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Candor7

Once again I must point out that the Anne mentioned by Frank Marshall Davis was a 13 y o Jamaican and the seduction of her by both Frank Marshall Davis and his first wife, Thelma Boyd, occured sometime between the years 1931 and 1934 in Atlanta GA while Frank Marshall Davis worked on a paper there. By 1934 Frank Marshall Davis had returned to Chicago and his wife followed him trying to make the marriage work. When it became obvious to Thelma the marriage wasn’t going to work out she relocated to Washington.(I have no idea if she went to Washington D.C. or WA state) The above information comes from the forward to Davis’ autobiography which is located at Google books) I might also point out that Frank said the 13 y Anne was in the care of her aunt.


203 posted on 11/18/2008 1:13:01 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Fresh Wind
Obama's parents were married on Feb. 2, 1961

No witnesses - - no records - - no newspaper articles.

You do the math.
204 posted on 11/18/2008 1:28:11 PM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Gemsbok

Let me respond partially to some of your questions, first off the party pictures showing Sr did not contain images of Stanley Armour Dunham, the man people mistakenly identified as him was actually Arnold Nachmanoff. Arnie and Susie hosted the party where the pictures were taken and what is most noticeable in those pictures is the absence of Ann Dunham. None of Sr’s friends in their letters of remembrance mentions her with the exception of Neil Abercrombie whose statements are suspicious. Arnie at the time was finishing off his military requirement and the party was held at base housing in Pearl Harbor.
Yes Ann was enrolled in extension courses at the University of Washington beginning in August of 1961. I don’t believe she went back to Hawaii until well after Sr had left. We know Sr left Hawaii June 22,1962 and we also know that Ann was still in WA state in September of 1962 as we have the testimony of one of her friends who visited Ann at that time. The reason I believe that Ann did not return to HI after her surprise visit in August of 1961 is the lack of baby pictures. One baby picture has now been posted on line but I believe it is of an at least 9 month old because of the fact that the baby can hold his head up quite well.(possibly taken as an anniversary present for her parents, anniversary of May 4 or 5) Babies at that time were not as developmentally advanced as they are now. The baby photo is a professional one with no one else appearing in it. There are no photos of mom and baby and no photos of either grandma or grandpa with the baby and yet once Ann had returned to Hawaii there are plenty of pictures of a growing Jr including pictures of him with his mother and with grandpa.
With Kezia using the term Ann was like a sister to me, I think to the sister wives of the FLDS where the women refer to the other wives as sister wives. Kezia’s own father had 3 wives and it was a situation Kezia was familiar with so it would seem natural for her to refer to Ann as sister.
The matter of having more than one birthday doesn’t seem to be registered only for Jr. There are also two reported birth dates for his sister Maya.
Ruth was the teacher Sr met while he was attending Harvard and he told friends he hooked up with her because she had money which allowed him more enjoyment than simply struggling as a student on scholarship. He also admitted he was a serial polygamist but only one woman at a time. I am still wondering if the “....Kenyan student who split, leaving two pregnant blondes behind...” that Frank Marshall Dvis wrote about was in fact Sr but I haven’t gathered any evidence of this yet.
When Sr returned to Kenya in 1964 (not 1965 as reported elsewhere) Ruth followed him. He wanted Ruth to live in the same house in Nairobi as Kezia was living in but Ruth would not have it so Sr and Ruth lived in a home with his two children by Kezia(Roy and Auma) The marriage to Ruth only lasted 7 years and Ruth finally filed for divorce after one beating too many. As far as I can tell they divorced in 1971, the same year Sr had one of his many car accidents and the year he visited Jr in Hawaii. Taking the two boys from the marriage (Mark and David) she moved to Tanzania and remarried. David died in a motorcycle accident and Mark, as we know, lives and works in China. Ruth is a kindergarten teacher in Tanzania even now and was abrupt with the media when questioned about Jr. (saying, “I suppose I am a step mother”)
As far as any divorce records for Ann and Sr none have been found as of yet. One reason she might have filed was for matters of custody, we only have the “official story”
I don’t understand your question regarding why Grandma Dunham looked after Jr instead of working. By the end of 1962 she had been named manager of the escrow dept at Bankoh and steadily rose within the Bank. Ann returned to school by spring of 1963 and Grandpa took care of Jr more than Grandma or Ann. I will note Ann faced criticism from her family when she received her B.A. in math as it was seen as a “useless degree”.
As you mention there is a neat little timeline from his “fairytale” and yet it is confusing wondering why he simply doesn’t produce that birth certificate he mentioned finding while he was a teen. He did screw up when he mentioned being shown the first home his grandparents had lived in when they moved to Hawaii saying it was the home before the one on University Ave, which would be the one on Kamehameha Avenue. One wonders if anything in his “fairytale” is true!


205 posted on 11/18/2008 1:48:54 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: PhilDragoo
Forging government documents rather than demonstrating constitutional qualification is not only suspicious but illegal.

right on, Phil. The fact that this little act of counterfeit documents was carried out nationally, on a national stage, makes it a fedral crime as well, and felony fraud is nothing to laugh about.

206 posted on 11/18/2008 1:54:32 PM PST by Polarik
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To: Chief Engineer

booooooookmark


207 posted on 11/18/2008 1:55:42 PM PST by Shady Ray
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To: Polarik
I was in the bookkeeping department of a bank in Boston tasked with trial balances of four of the bank's accounts.

Auditors from FDIC and (then) Peat, Marwick & Mitchell were brought in as there were irregularities.

I reviewed many, many checks on film and everyone ran countless tabulations yet the numbers were never reconciled.

So it is with the reed-basket messiah's accounts.

Epic tale not supported in the record.

Auditors are continuing their work.

Was he beamed down from the mother ship parked behind the moon or is there a more prosaic explanation.

208 posted on 11/18/2008 2:25:53 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: marshmallow

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THERE IS THE FADED IMAGE OF A DATE BACKWARDS, SOMETHING SOMETHING 2007. WHAT IS THAT?


209 posted on 11/18/2008 2:29:22 PM PST by Seven Minute Maniac
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To: seanrobins

Go take a look at your own birth certificate. There are no signatures, from the Doctor present, or the regstrar. I checked the birth certificates for each member of my family, all list, weight, height, time of birth, whether it was a single or mulitple birth, and all have signatures. The birth certificates I checked were issued from 1958-1996 from 4 different states, all had the same basic information on them.

There is also the question regarding his adoption by his stepfather, if his mother renounced his citizenship then he would have to reapply for citizenship when he became and adult.


210 posted on 11/18/2008 2:33:33 PM PST by panthermom
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To: Beckwith

I have to laugh at these people that keep coming on here yelling and throwing tantrums that we need to get a life. Immature to say the least, not really amusing, but easily ignored.

They are most likely first time voters and they haven’t yet learned how to research their candidate. Instead they listen to their buddy on how cool this man is. As parents we have to protect them from themselves still. This is what we are about and we will continue until we do. So ignore them as if they were your own children throwing a tantrum.


211 posted on 11/18/2008 2:34:16 PM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: Red Steel
There may be less in this than people thought. Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother, is 85 years old and doesn't speak English.

She said he was a "son of the village," or that's how the BBC translated it. It's been argued that she said "native of the village," meaning he was born there. That's possible, I guess, but how many people have gotten to the bottom of this? How many people have the language skill to figure it out?

One youtube clip claimed that finding the root "nat" for "to be born" in what she said showed how simple the translation was. But her language doesn't have Latin or Indo-European roots. And even in English we tend to through words like "native" around loosely.

On another clip, the interviewer is the one concerned with establishing that Barack Obama was born in Mombassa. Sarah Obama doesn't have much to say about it. You could argue that family members shut her up or that the translator wouldn't translate, but it's also possible that she really didn't have much or anything to say about where Obama (who isn't actually her grandson, but her late husband's, presumably) was born.

So before we make too much of this, we should all take a good look at the evidence that's already available, and not make assumptions that may not be true.

212 posted on 11/18/2008 2:50:21 PM PST by x
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To: Beckwith

From........ allAfrica.com Kenya:
Special Report: Sleepy Little Village Where Obama Traces His Own Roots
this is an article from 2004. Here’s a quote from the last 4 paragraphs of the article...
According to the family, Obama’s father travelled to America to study at the University of Hawaii in 1959. While there, he worked for an oil company and married his second wife, a white woman, named Anna Toot,

The article is still there, now minus the birthdate of July 18 from the copy made on July 8th, 2008.


213 posted on 11/18/2008 4:02:03 PM PST by Gemsbok (Follow the trail,...,.,.,.,..... I know where it leads)
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To: Uncle Chip

>>>Ahhh — spoken like a true Obamabot and his gathering herd of RINOs. The centrists and moderates are the ones running from this issue as fast as their lumbering hooves can carry them. It is exposing them for who they really are and driving them into obscurity and irrelevance.

>>>The Conservative movement is alive and well in the hearts of those who value their Constitution enough to pursue this issue to its legitimate conclusion

Oh my gosh!

You are such a freak, my friend....

No wonder the conservative movement is in such trouble. The constitution does not depend (thank God) upon the machinations of conspiracy theorists.

I don’t run from issues.... only from kooks with nothing better to do.


214 posted on 11/18/2008 5:19:43 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: seanrobins

I got an idea - since you like posting about this topic, why not offer ideas and facts which support your viewpoint? (Whatever that viewpoint might be.) All you are doing is insulting people here who are seriously discussing and researching a serious topic.


215 posted on 11/18/2008 5:26:41 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

“Keyes does have a bone to pick with Obama”

How much more true of Hillary?

HRC should join the suit.


216 posted on 11/18/2008 5:37:35 PM PST by UnChained
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To: seanrobins
You are such a freak, my friend....

Senator McCain, don't you have more important things to do?

217 posted on 11/18/2008 5:39:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Why lawyer up when you can pony up?" - IYAS9YAS)
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To: PhilDragoo

Yawn...


218 posted on 11/18/2008 6:02:11 PM PST by Scarchin (Withholding judgement)
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To: jcsjcm

yeah...that’s it...it must be it...where are my strawberries?


219 posted on 11/18/2008 6:03:28 PM PST by Scarchin (Withholding judgement)
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To: seanrobins
I don’t run from issues.... only from kooks with nothing better to do.

Then you might want to try some kind of out of body experience.

220 posted on 11/18/2008 7:05:54 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

THAT IS A GOOD ONE! LOL!!!


221 posted on 11/19/2008 1:04:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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