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Heresies and Other Truths (Kathleen Parker attacks GOP evangelicals)
Townhall.com ^ | November 19, 2008 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 11/19/2008 7:45:33 AM PST by EveningStar

As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.

Three little letters, great big problem: G-O-D.

I'm bathing in holy water as I type.

To be more specific, the evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn't soon cometh.

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1 posted on 11/19/2008 7:45:33 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

RINOs like KP can kiss my ass. It’s time for a Conservative Republican Party.


2 posted on 11/19/2008 7:48:32 AM PST by scottinoc
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To: EveningStar

I think she’s wrong on this one.

Liberal Republicrats are “what ails the erstwhile conservative party”.


3 posted on 11/19/2008 7:48:39 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: EveningStar

I think she got some sort of weird pleasure from the reaction to her Sarah Palin broadside. She is just back for more - as if now she can’t resist tweaking the right wing.


4 posted on 11/19/2008 7:50:39 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: EveningStar
Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth -- as long as we're setting ourselves free -- is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that.

That would be the same party intelligentsia that convinced us that McCain was the future of the party?

5 posted on 11/19/2008 7:50:59 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: EveningStar

The RINO’s are friends of the Left.

Of course they hate God just as much, they were just more willing to talk the talk than the Left was. The left is clueless about God. They want to pretend the Bible does not say what it says.

The RINO’s will more and more, join the Left, because they too, have rejected God.

(It is also true that is why they don’t have any spines)


6 posted on 11/19/2008 7:50:59 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: EveningStar

I believe she’s applying for a job at MSNBC. Just trying to beef up her resume.


7 posted on 11/19/2008 7:52:30 AM PST by Neverforget01
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To: WayneS

social liberals, or fiscal liberals?


8 posted on 11/19/2008 7:52:40 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: Neverforget01

yup. She’ll throw G-d under the bus just to make a deal for more money.


9 posted on 11/19/2008 7:54:10 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: EveningStar

That darn evangelical McCain.


10 posted on 11/19/2008 7:54:30 AM PST by Mojave (http://www.americanbacklash.com/)
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To: TruthConquers

11 posted on 11/19/2008 7:54:31 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: EveningStar
This Parker gal rather reminds me of "Henry the Young King" who, when confronted with someone with a moral mind, asked "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" Or "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" Or "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?" Or "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?" Or "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Or "Will no one revenge me of the injuries I have sustained from one turbulent priest?" Or "Will none of the knaves eating my bread rid me of this turbulent priest?" Or "What a band of loathsome vipers I have nursed in my bosom who will let their lord be insulted by this low-born cleric!" Or "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their Lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?"

No doubt Ms. Parker thinks of herself more like Thomas Becket than she does "Henry the Young" but, alas, her chronic, constant whining and moaning about meddlesome people from "the religious right" compels me, and others, to recognize her true identity.

Best for Ms. Parker to go elsewhere and quit trying to murder the Republican party base!

12 posted on 11/19/2008 7:54:39 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: absolootezer0

Yes.


13 posted on 11/19/2008 7:56:02 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: EveningStar

No, the problem are religious republicans and non-religious republicans who want to spend and borrow a lot of money and bailout everyone.


14 posted on 11/19/2008 7:56:10 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: EveningStar

There is a ring of truth to what she says. It’s not the evangelicals, its the few people who have hijacked the message of family values and turned it into hate-mongering, mormon-bashing, muslim-bashing, gay-bashing, and whatever-other-group they don’t like bashing.

We can be against gay marriage without wanting to consign gay people to second-class status. We can oppose the rampant attacks on family and values without personally attacking those who disagree with us.

We can push christian values without saying that muslims should be thrown out of the party, or that mormon beliefs are too bizarre to allow them to be office-holders.

Fair or not, we evangelicals get blamed for the few people who would actually beat up a gay person for coming on to them.


15 posted on 11/19/2008 7:56:41 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: scottinoc

>>>>RINOs like KP can kiss my ass. It’s time for a Conservative Republican Party.<<<<<<

Conservatism is not a function of religion.

See my tagline.

I don’t agree with some of Parker’s opinions, but on the topic of the Religionists and the GOP, she’s absolutley correct.

Elephant in the living room.


16 posted on 11/19/2008 7:56:49 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: EveningStar
Jonah Goldberg has finally had enough of Kathleen Parker

Me: I don't know what's more grating, the quasi-bigotry that has you calling religious Christians low brows, gorillas and oogedy-boogedy types or the bravery-on-the-cheap as you salute — in that winsome way — your own courage for saying what (according to you) needs to be said. Please stop bragging about how courageous you are for weathering a storm of nasty email you invite on yourself by dancing to a liberal tune. You aren't special for getting nasty email, from the right or the left. You aren't a martyr smoking your last cigarette. You're just another columnist, talented and charming to be sure, but just another columnist. You are not Joan of the Op-Ed Page. Perhaps the typical Washington Post reader (or editor) doesn't understand that. But you should, and most conservatives familiar with these issues can see through what you're doing.
17 posted on 11/19/2008 7:56:58 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: EveningStar

GOD is not the problem but the solution.

I resent religious conservatives being called “evangelicals”
That is a form of political profiling that attacks independent thinking based on moral teachings.

Morality is something the left wants to eliminate. No shame, no blame.


18 posted on 11/19/2008 7:57:25 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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In the future, we can change the focus from evangelical or religious to moral, to embrace the non-Christians and non-spiritual.

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19 posted on 11/19/2008 7:57:37 AM PST by polymuser (Bye, bye Miss American Pie.)
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To: EveningStar
There are a large number of Republicans who want low taxes but are atheists.

They can tag along with me if they want but I'm not going with them.

20 posted on 11/19/2008 7:59:31 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: EveningStar

Kathleen Parker—the new Arianna Huffington.


21 posted on 11/19/2008 8:00:24 AM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: EveningStar

Parker is ignoring the fact that McCain, who rejected the religious right and would not campaign on its issues, lost an election soundly, while Pres. Bush, who accepted the religious right and did campaign on its issues, won two elections in a row.


22 posted on 11/19/2008 8:00:51 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: TruthConquers

>>>>>Of course they hate God just as much, ..... They want to pretend the Bible does not say what it says..... The RINO’s will more and more, join the Left, because they too, have rejected God.<<<<<<<

That’s exactly the sort of ridiculous swill and blather that’s expected from your camp.

Neither the GOP nor conservatism is a church, a religion, or a pulpit.


23 posted on 11/19/2008 8:01:03 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: EveningStar

Kathleen needs to stfu about conservatives and go to a cocktail party with her new marxist pals.


24 posted on 11/19/2008 8:01:48 AM PST by Vindibudd
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To: EveningStar

KP’s gone off the deep end since the Palin nomination.


25 posted on 11/19/2008 8:02:22 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Halo 3: Recon - Due out in Fall 2009!)
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To: angkor

“Religionists” won Prop. 8 in liberal California. Give them a candidate to vote for, and that party will never lose. Rockefeller Republicans mock religious conservatives at their peril. This country was founded on Christian principles and religious tolerance. No, conservatism is not a function of religion, but the conservative movement would be dead without it.


26 posted on 11/19/2008 8:02:39 AM PST by scottinoc
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To: Mojave
yeah, mccain was their perfect pick. He believes in evolution and global warming. Supported embryonic stem cell research. Directly went after evangelicals in 2000. But he lost because he was too religious. Right.
This is what the map would look like without religious conservatives:

27 posted on 11/19/2008 8:03:42 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: EveningStar
if reckoning doesn't soon cometh.

Parker should think before she writes. Or maybe she is just too dumb to know that this clumsy attempt at writing in King James style should be "if reckoning doth not come soon"

28 posted on 11/19/2008 8:03:56 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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Go and rate the article at the link.

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29 posted on 11/19/2008 8:03:56 AM PST by polymuser (Bye, bye Miss American Pie.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

>>>>>its the few people who have hijacked the message of family values and turned it into hate-mongering, mormon-bashing, muslim-bashing, gay-bashing, and whatever-other-group they don’t like bashing.<<<<<<

And the really repellent bashing that occurs right here on FR, of those who strongly disagree with the Religionist agenda vis-a-vis the GOP and conservatism.


30 posted on 11/19/2008 8:04:14 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

So, do you think that Arnie dear is a great Republican? Hmmm?


31 posted on 11/19/2008 8:04:19 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: EveningStar

***PLEASE, GIVE NO HITS TO VICHY REPUBLICAN PUNDITS***


32 posted on 11/19/2008 8:05:09 AM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

thanks


33 posted on 11/19/2008 8:05:12 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Fair or not, we evangelicals get blamed for the few people who would actually beat up a gay person for coming on to them.

Were you thinking clearly when you wrote this? You think the only people who would take offense at being hit on by a gay person are people who are "too Christian"? That's idiotic.
34 posted on 11/19/2008 8:05:42 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

LOL!!!


35 posted on 11/19/2008 8:06:08 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: ari-freedom
No, the problem are religious republicans and non-religious republicans who want to spend and borrow a lot of money and bailout everyone.

I think you are onto something.

While we are at it we need to include religious and non-religious republicans who support open-borders or amnesty.
36 posted on 11/19/2008 8:07:47 AM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

We can be against gay marriage without wanting to consign gay people to second-class status.

they did it to themselves when they started to attack and invade churches.


37 posted on 11/19/2008 8:08:18 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: EveningStar
Wow. This ignorant cow needs a protein injection.
38 posted on 11/19/2008 8:10:02 AM PST by 60Gunner (ALL bleeding stops... eventually.)
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To: angkor

And the really repellent bashing that occurs right here on FR, of those who strongly disagree with the Religionist agenda vis-a-vis the GOP and conservatism.

let them enjoy Obama’s socialism because they will not be happy with Jindal and Sanford, even though they are smart and accomplished fiscal conservatives.


39 posted on 11/19/2008 8:13:31 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
We can be against gay marriage without wanting to consign gay people to second-class status.

Charles, that really is a false statement.

I dare you to find any evidence that would support that implied assertion that Christians or conservative republicans have a general spoken or un-spoken belief that matches that bizarre statement of yours.
40 posted on 11/19/2008 8:15:10 AM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: scottinoc

Well, this is this the crossroads that the party finds itself at at the moment. We’re either going to go the RINO way or the social conservative way. Essentially, Romney or Palin.


41 posted on 11/19/2008 8:15:56 AM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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42 posted on 11/19/2008 8:18:05 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: xzins

>>>>Parker is ignoring the fact that McCain, who rejected the religious right and would not campaign on its issues, lost an election soundly, while Pres. Bush, who accepted the religious right and did campaign on its issues<<<<<<

John McCain was a terrible GOP candidate who became so on the strength of ticket-splitter Huckster Elmer Gantry, who captured 20 to 30 percent of the primary vote right up to the very end. His dependence on Evangelicals was inarguable and acknowledged by Huckster himself.

GWB campaigned in 2000 as “a uniter not a divider” and in 2004 on the basis of the War On Terrorism.

If he was campaigning “the religious right .... and its issues” it was a rather subtle maneuver.


43 posted on 11/19/2008 8:24:07 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: EveningStar

Parker is just trying to be the columnist equivalent of a shockjock; a GOP Leonard Pitts, if you will. That being said, she can suck my sack


44 posted on 11/19/2008 8:26:45 AM PST by Battle of Tours (11-4-08: Shi'ite Happened)
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To: mquinn

the socons will always forgive the pro-life republican, whether he spends too much or not. This prevents total socialism. The more secular fiscal conservatives stayed home to protest the Bush economy and we have Obama as a result.


45 posted on 11/19/2008 8:26:55 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: angkor

if romney won the nomination, we would have Utah, Idaho a few other mountain states and that’s it. And that’s only because he’s a mormon. If he had no religion, he would have lost everything.


46 posted on 11/19/2008 8:29:55 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: scottinoc

>>>>“Religionists” won Prop. 8 in liberal California. <<<<

An utterly preposterous statement and simply more of the intense and unending solipsism that suffuses the Religionist Party.

66 percent of all Americans reject same sex marriage.

66 percent of Americans are not Evangelical Christians.


47 posted on 11/19/2008 8:30:28 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: EveningStar
I'm bathing in holy water as I type.

Oh, tee-hee, Kathleen, aren't you witty?

Another Vichy Republican writes another post-election piece in a doomed effort to remain relevant.


48 posted on 11/19/2008 8:30:52 AM PST by Cinnamontea
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To: EveningStar

“Shifting demographics”??? What a moron. CNN exit polls show the same percentage of self identified conservatives turned out to vote in 2008 as 2004. The difference was that the percentage of self-identified Republican voters dropped by 7%. The inescapable conclusion - listening to hacks like Kathleen Parker is resulting in conservatives no longer identifying the Republican party as the party that most represents their values.

I have to say though, some religious voters need to wise up this primary season and support the most well-rounded conservative candidate rather than the most outspoken candidate on social issues. Support for Huckabee caused a very liberal Republican to be nominated and could stick us with a Romney or Guliani in 2012, rather than a Palin or Jindal. Wise up people!


49 posted on 11/19/2008 8:31:32 AM PST by Texas Federalist (Fred for RNC Chairman!)
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To: TruthConquers

>>>>So, do you think that Arnie dear is a great Republican? Hmmm?<<<<

A pointless question.

Irrelevant.


50 posted on 11/19/2008 8:31:32 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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