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Evangelicals -- A Drag on or Essential to the GOP?
davidlimbaugh.com ^ | 11/20/08 | david limbaugh

Posted on 11/20/2008 5:24:05 PM PST by lancer256

A good friend of mine (let's call him Bob) is convinced that unless the GOP puts abortion "aside as its focal point, it simply cannot win and regain power." That's especially interesting in light of Kathleen Parker's latest column, which disses the evangelical wing of the GOP.

Bob's point is that "we've lost a majority of women over this issue as they have become one-issue voters." It's not only liberal women but also others who believe it's simply not the government's business.

Kathleen Parker broadens the point considerably beyond abortion: "The evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn't soon cometh." Since the 1980s or so, says Parker, the GOP "has become increasingly beholden to an element that used to be relegated to wooden crates on street corners. ... The GOP has surrendered its high ground to its lowest brows. In the process, the party has alienated its non-base constituents."

I'll resist the temptation to respond specifically to Kathleen's uncharitable indictment of us knuckle draggers because I like Kathleen personally and because I want to respond to her and Bob's overlapping contention that certain social conservatives are dragging the party down.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: mrsmel

If that’s the case, I will retract my statement as re: McCain. I was going by information I had seen where McCain lost about 10% from what President Bush had carried in 2004.
I’ll do some follow-up.


51 posted on 11/20/2008 6:34:05 PM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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To: lancer256

We’ve been through this before, when a moderate Republican lost the Presidential election. The liberal Republicans are embarrassed when their friends roll their eyes about religious and social conservatives, so they don’t want to have to explain about them anymore. They just want them gone.


52 posted on 11/20/2008 6:41:11 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: omega4179
Why bother... head left and change the name on the gate out front... New Democrat Party....

Go breed replacements in the bath houses of San Francisco!!

53 posted on 11/20/2008 7:02:39 PM PST by pointsal
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To: lancer256
There are fewer differences in the parties anymore, so the remaining ones gain emphasis. The oogedy-boogedy factor isn't any larger in the GOP than it has been, but now that the GOP has embraced the same big-government vision as the Democrats, positions on social issues are about the only way to tell them apart.

The solution is not to push Christians out of the party, but to provide a broad alternative to the Democrats. The GOP will not recognize this, however, and it will be Nero blaming Christians for the burning of Rome all over again. Sarah Palin is already the scapegoat for McCain's poor performance and the symbol of everything that makes urban intellectuals shudder regardless of their party affiliation: a gun-loving frontier breeder who takes her religion seriously.

Once the GOP has succeeded in driving out Christians and their values, there will not be enough of a difference between it and the Democrat party to make who wins elections matter anyway.

Stop being snobbish about the oogedy-boogedies and decide if you want to be a real alternative to the Democrats or not. But that would mean stepping back from big-government-it's-only-money-one-world-kumbaya-feelgoodism, which is not likely to happen.

R.I.P. GOP
1854-2008
54 posted on 11/20/2008 7:18:07 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (Sitting on the oogety-boogety branch since 1975)
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To: omega4179

Why does is seem everybody is trying to move the GOP left? Are they that stupid? Just send them and their advice over to the Dirtocrats.


55 posted on 11/20/2008 7:38:20 PM PST by pankot
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To: lancer256

These idiots are utterly and completely wrong. Lets trying running a real conservative at the top of the ticket. Pro-life, pro-God, anti-big-gov, anti-tax. Um, like Palin? The only GOP candidateto draw crowds comparable to Obama?

But the RINOs who run the GOP are scared of that because they would lose power. Hence open primaries and idiocies such as this article...


56 posted on 11/20/2008 7:39:49 PM PST by piytar
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To: lancer256

I’m a big tent republican. Evangelicals go in the tent first.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=6245#6245

Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Rudy Giuliani flunks some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.


57 posted on 11/20/2008 7:45:52 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: lancer256
But the fact remains that it was McCain's underemphasis rather than overemphasis of the social issues that cost him Republican votes.

Money quote.

58 posted on 11/20/2008 7:57:31 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
I would as you to rethink that position. As reprehensible as abortion is, a pro-abortion Republican can actually be useful when it comes to Republicans gaining the majority.

We absolutely have to have every Republican vote we can get to keep the RATS out of power.

When our side is in the majority, we get to appoint the committee chairs, etc.

59 posted on 11/21/2008 3:37:56 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: Grunthor
Overall, I would agree with your statements of belief. I wouldn't have any problem voting for a Jew (Statement 1) and rape/incest are such infinitesimal percentages of the question as to be red herrings in the argument. Otherwise, I can consider the remainder to be common ground.
60 posted on 11/21/2008 5:33:07 AM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I have voted straight ticket Republican in every election I've been old enough to vote, That said, when the GOP adopts the nonsense addressed in this article I will stay home and pray instead of voting.
61 posted on 11/21/2008 5:33:18 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Don't blame Texas.. No more RINO's or Mavericks)
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To: lancer256

McCain’s divorce didn’t help him either.


62 posted on 11/21/2008 5:35:32 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: lancer256; All

You know what these current RINO charges about abortion and social issues and evil scary religious conservatives are?

Opportunism, pure and simple.

Anyone with half a brain knows that abortion, etc. had diddly to do with the election this year. It was economy, economy, jobs, economy, The War, and economy that people cared about. As Limbaugh says, ~4.1 million Republicans sat this one out. I’d wager that it had more to do with the excessive economic libertarianism that got absolutely no play outside the base this year, and ticked off a lot of populist-minded GOPers.

Yet, people like Parker are trying to use this year’s losses to scare the party leadership into distancing itself from its social conservative wing - all because Parker and others don’t themselves share these socially conservative values. In other words, they are trying to split the Party, instead of focusing on the 80% of issues we all have in common, because of their own personal, petty, spiteful agendas.

To this I say: Piss off, Kathleen Parker, and any other “moderate, socially liberal” Republicans like her. We don’t need you. Once we get our heads on straight about the economy and start taking some sensible approaches to taxes, spending cuts, fair trade, and actually caring about the little guy’s employment situation beyond merely telling him that tax cuts will solve all his problems, we’ll get more than enough Reagan and populist Democrats back into the fold to replace you.


63 posted on 11/21/2008 9:51:59 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Best post on the thread bump.
64 posted on 11/21/2008 1:28:07 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Don't blame Texas.. No more RINO's or Mavericks)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

the only thing we can do now is watch obama destroy the country, then from the ashes another reagan will emerge....we need patience and time.


65 posted on 11/21/2008 1:32:39 PM PST by tioga
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To: lancer256
Here's the money quote in the article:

“Plus Karl Rove tells us that there were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004, some of whom he believed turned independent or Democratic for this election, which might validate Kathleen's thesis, except that Rove says that most of those 4.1 million “simply stayed home.”

What's even more interesting is there was an almost identical drop-off (4.1 million) of those voters who attend religious services more than once a week (evangelicals, anyone?).”

So, if McCain had not attacked evangelicals, but had their support even as much as President Bush, he would have likely won the election. This completely refutes Parker's assertion.

I couldn't believe we didn't even get a pro-evangelical candidate except Huckabee, who was a big government governor, increased taxes, and supported amnesty.

One of the depressing things about this election is that I couldn't think of a single GOP candidate who could have won. Could Fred Thompson have rallied the evangelicals to his side? All 4 million who stayed home? I don't think so.

66 posted on 11/22/2008 6:56:27 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die)
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To: Westbrook
If I hear, “My boss is a jerk,” the young man will have disqualified himself.

Well, then, you're a fool. Some bosses are jerks.

By your "logic", Monica Lewinsky was in the wrong -- she denounced her boss as a jerk, after all.

67 posted on 11/25/2008 12:48:54 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Kevmo
The Big issues are the socon issues

Nope. The BIG issues are:

1. Cut taxes and spending.
2. Cut taxes and spending.
3. Cut taxes and spending.
4. Cut taxes and spending.
5. Oh, yeah, cut taxes and spending some more.

68 posted on 11/25/2008 12:51:09 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
the excessive economic libertarianism

What color is the sky on your planet?

Both parties bloat the size and scope of government, and recoil from the slightest hint of economic libertarianism like Dracula confronted with a garlic farm. That's why the GOP core vote (which held its nose to re-elect Bush, but exhausted its patience in the past few years) stayed home.

69 posted on 11/25/2008 12:54:50 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: SalukiLawyer
R.I.P. GOP
1854-2008

America's Independent Party
Born: 2008
Died: Whenever it abandons America's principles like the Whigs and the Republicans did.

70 posted on 11/25/2008 12:56:36 PM PST by EternalVigilance (AIPNEWS.com - America's Independent Party: "Peace through superior firepower!")
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To: steve-b

Then how do you explain why so many fiscons voted for the marxist Obama? Because they don’t hold to their own defined big issues as if they were big issues. Their issues are negotiable, which makes them smaller issues.


71 posted on 11/25/2008 5:38:35 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: TommyDale
If the GOP thinks the Evangelicals are a drag, we can go elsewhere. Sayonara.

I am not going anywhere yet, and I hope all the rest will fight with me.
72 posted on 11/25/2008 5:42:52 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Kevmo

Simple — the Republicans have bungled so badly that the Democrats have more credibility on fiscal issues. (Hint: Name the last president who had a surplus.)


73 posted on 11/25/2008 5:47:32 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: EternalVigilance
What do do mean Independent party? You given up?

Its looks pretty bad, but I'm not gona go without a fight.
74 posted on 11/25/2008 5:50:59 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Kevmo
Hey Kevmo, how are you?

I am pretty angry here in my state after finding out one, (or more) of those liberal Republicans actually helped send a liberal democrat to Washington because Bill Sali was too Republican.

Hopefully it will all be exposed soon.
75 posted on 11/25/2008 5:55:20 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium; EternalVigilance

Hi Delphinium. We’re still inundated with RINOs even here on FR. It was the RINOs that handed Obama the latest victory.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2129419/posts
4.) At first glance, one wonders how Obama gets 20% of the “Conservative” vote. A look into several polls reveals the following: Social and Gun Conservatives came out hard for McCain, people who call themselves “Conservative” because of fiscal issues gave Obama a nice cross-over.

I think it’s time to have an idealogy litmus matrix. What do you & EV think?

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Vanities Arent The Problem (Time For An FR Cleansing)
The Awesome Mind of VaBthang4 ^ | 11/06/08 | VaBthang4

Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:27:52 AM by VaBthang4

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2126945/posts?page=119#119


76 posted on 11/25/2008 6:26:53 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: steve-b

That’s because the Fiscon issues are not suitable to be the BIG Issues in the tent. It’s the SOCON issues that are suitable.


77 posted on 11/25/2008 6:28:07 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
One of the depressing things about this election is that I couldn't think of a single GOP candidate who could have won. Could Fred Thompson have rallied the evangelicals to his side? All 4 million who stayed home? I don't think so.

Hunter, Tancredo, or Keyes. They were always the only ones with a shot in hell at this. That is why "pragmatists" always get it stone dead wrong- "Electability" has everything to do about who can bring out the whole base- And that is always going to be the Reaganites.

78 posted on 11/25/2008 7:12:06 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: Kevmo
No way did Obama get any conservatives.

There they go again, trying to change the meaning of conservative.

Only liberals voted for that marxist.
79 posted on 11/25/2008 9:58:07 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

Only liberals voted for that marxist.
***That’s why we need some kind of litmus matrix here on FR. These RINOs constantly pretend to be conservative, call themselves conservative, and maybe even think of themselves as conservative but when you scratch the surface you get an Obama voter.


80 posted on 11/26/2008 2:56:08 AM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: steve-b

> Well, then, you’re a fool. Some bosses are jerks.

No, the fool is the person who stays with a job when his boss really is a jerk.

If your boss is a real jerk, then you should be ambitious enough to be looking for a job elsewhere, rather than staying at the same place subjecting yourself to degrading treatment and grousing about it.

However, it has been my experience that, in the *VAST* number of cases, where I have heard, “My boss is a jerk,” that person’s boss is always a jerk, no matter where he works or who his boss is, which tells me who the real jerk is.


81 posted on 11/26/2008 9:32:44 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Kevmo

Yeah, but who would we use to sharpen our debating skills?


82 posted on 11/26/2008 9:53:26 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Kevmo

Yeah, but who would we use to sharpen our debating skills?


83 posted on 11/26/2008 10:08:44 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

We wouldn’t be getting rid of RINOs, just identifying them. They’d still be around to sharpen our debating skills on, but they couldn’t hide any more.


84 posted on 11/26/2008 8:36:16 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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