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Worker dies at Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in Black Friday stampede
nydailynews.com ^ | Friday, November 28th 2008, 9:30 AM | JOE GOULD

Posted on 11/28/2008 7:02:13 AM PST by GQuagmire

A worker died after being trampled and a woman miscarried when hundreds of shoppers smashed through the doors of a Long Island Wal-Mart Friday morning, witnesses said.

The unidentified worker, employed as an overnight stock clerk, tried to hold back the unruly crowds just after the Valley Stream store opened at 5 a.m.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: barbarians; blackfriday; greed; itsjustasalefolks; moralabsolutes; retail; sin; urbansavages
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To: djf
When did people start acting like farm animals?

It's happened, periodically, throughout world history. Check the Bible, if you'd like to see a few really ancient examples.

101 posted on 11/28/2008 8:02:06 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: A knight without armor

Exactly!


102 posted on 11/28/2008 8:02:23 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Nextrush

Where are these Wal-Marts? Why is there a problem with identifying them?


103 posted on 11/28/2008 8:04:25 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Kirkwood

Actually, minor children own nothing, unless they are under court supervision.


104 posted on 11/28/2008 8:04:48 AM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: GQuagmire

105 posted on 11/28/2008 8:05:17 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Paved Paradise

>>”One must always consider that kinds of people that even come out for these things... a lot of them are the people who are very low socioeconomic status (thus, need the deals)and many are the greedy selfish types that will do anything to save a buck.”<<

Also, there are people that like to shop there just to avoid pretentious upity arrogant yuppies that comdemn and label people for trying to ‘save a buck’.


106 posted on 11/28/2008 8:05:21 AM PST by panaxanax ("Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't." T.Jefferson)
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To: netmilsmom

Is your name Barack Obama? So you want to redistribute the wealth???

The fact is that when a child receives a gift, it belongs to them, not the parents. When you take things from kids, you are teaching them that liberals have the right to take things away their entire life. Parents have a responsibility to TEACH children to be charitable and not cling to things. When you allow children to think about what charity means and be actively involved in the process, you are giving them a valuable lesson that will last a lifetime. When you just take their things and tell them that their opinions don’t matter, you are teaching them that socialism is the ultimate power and that freedom means nothing.

I’m really surprised when so-called conservatives totally screw up their kids this way by treating them like they are human garbage instead of taking the time to teach them to be charitable. The fact that those kids wound up getting more stuff to replace what was taken compounds the idea that liberalism is the ultimate power of giving and taking. If you want to teach your kids that way, please keep them away from mine who are being taught values.


107 posted on 11/28/2008 8:05:52 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: netmilsmom; CindyDawg
But it sounded like the parents didn’t know that lesson to teach it.

I think you have something there.

On Wednesday, with a little help from Daddy, our 10yo went through her clothes and has a fairly large pile that will be taken to the Hospice Thrift Store tomorrow.

I guess we're doing something right, because at the moment she is in her room doing the same thing with toys.....

108 posted on 11/28/2008 8:06:23 AM PST by Gabz (Is a sarcasm tag really needed?)
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To: Scotswife
I’m reminded of last year’s Toys R Us ad for a $300 Zune on sale that day for $100. Hundreds waited outside for hours in the bitter winter wind. How many did they actually have in stock? 15.

I've never understood this. They have a sale on the most popular toy for ridiculously low prices. A thousand people show up. They lose money on the sale and they have 985 pissed off people who probably stomp out of the store without buying anything. Or maybe the first steal a few things before leaving, just to 'get even.'

If the thing is in demand, sell it at full price! You will get rid off all of them quickly, you will make a profit, and will not have a bunch of angry losers in your store.

109 posted on 11/28/2008 8:07:11 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Abathar

I got an e-mail from TSC regarding an early sales.:’)


110 posted on 11/28/2008 8:08:50 AM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: GQuagmire

I went to Super Walmart last night to get dog food. The store was almost empty, so I picked up some stuff. The Walmart depicted in the article must not stay open 24/7. However, what can possess people to want something so badly that they will ignore all courtesies to get something cheap? I avoid store crowds, and am disgusted at the mob rule when it comes to doing something so ordinary. It’s too bad these kinds of people can’t get so serious about the real issues that we are facing. Every person who was part of the crowd, was guilty of manslaughter. Whether volunary or involuntary, they killed someone because of their greed.


111 posted on 11/28/2008 8:09:16 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: RetiredArmy
Oh, well until the next day, when her daughter in law took them to Toys R Us and bought them over $100 worth of crap.

I never knew it was so valuable. I've been just flushing it down the toilet.

What's your brother's phone number? I'll make him a great deal.

;-)

112 posted on 11/28/2008 8:10:56 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: ETL
There’s nothing funny about this.

There isn't, but black humor is how a lot of us deal with this kind of stuff.

113 posted on 11/28/2008 8:10:58 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: GQuagmire

I hope his family sues Wal-Mart big time.

Yes, I really do.


114 posted on 11/28/2008 8:11:58 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Right Wing Assault

That’s why I don’t go to these big sales. “Limited quantities, No rainchecks” is a big clue.


115 posted on 11/28/2008 8:12:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: GQuagmire

I just feel enormous disgust when cameras, inside a store, show the onrush of people, pushing and running to be the first inside -— to get at bargains, and usually non-essentials. What a materialistic world we are in.

Maybe it is because I HATE shopping, but I just don’t understand the need for this sort of mayhem. Sure people get bargains, but why stage such spectacles to get them? Greed on dispay?


116 posted on 11/28/2008 8:13:24 AM PST by Exit148 (Giants versus Jets? How 'bout a tie.)
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To: atfblogger

Nice way to spend Thanksgiving, IMHO


117 posted on 11/28/2008 8:13:25 AM PST by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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To: CindyDawg

I get them from Rural King, wife gets four new tires tomorrow at 6am... }:-)


118 posted on 11/28/2008 8:15:06 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: GQuagmire

Now that’s change.


119 posted on 11/28/2008 8:16:25 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: RetiredArmy
" We have refused for years to even go near a store on Friday, Saturday or Sunday after Thanksgiving. I DO NOT go to malls after about November 15th until after the New Year. I purchase any gifts I am going to buy over the Internet and have the mail man bring them."

You and me both. I've done the same things for the past 12 years or so and noticed my stress level at the holidays went way down.
120 posted on 11/28/2008 8:16:38 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (RINO = Big government, blue blood, country club Vichy Republicans)
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To: Kirkwood
Children do not own property. If so.. then they would be running the show. Parents controlling their "property" teaches them respect for authority and protects them.
121 posted on 11/28/2008 8:17:21 AM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: Kirkwood

Seesh, I hope you don’t have kids. If you do I hope I never have the misfortune to run into the little snot nosed bas@@@ds.


122 posted on 11/28/2008 8:17:27 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

This could happen to any crowd. And it isn’t related to any malignancy or disorder. Years ago I was in a big tight crowd behind the grandstands where the betting windows were. Just the normal, slow push to the exits compacted the section of the crowd I was in, and it got very scary for about 10 seconds. All it takes is for one or two people to trip, fall, or panic in some way and the noise ignites the crowd.


123 posted on 11/28/2008 8:17:29 AM PST by qwertypie
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To: GQuagmire

How far along was the woman who suffered the miscarriage in the melee?

Just heartbreaking.


124 posted on 11/28/2008 8:17:30 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Kirkwood

>>The fact is that when a child receives a gift, it belongs to them, not the parents. <<

LOLOLOL!!!!
You must be a kid. If not, your kids are part of the problem. Wait until little privleged Suzy tells you that SHE owns her room and the stash of dope you just found in there. Or maybe you’ll give her those privacy rights.
Wait until she cracks up the car you’ve bought her and they come after you for the damages.

Take it to court. NOTHING belongs to a child except in a liberals mind. You’ll find that out quick enough.

And guess what? Life isn’t fair either. Worrying about little Suzy’s ego has gotten us into the problems we have.

>>If you want to teach your kids that way, please keep them away from mine who are being taught values.<<

I’m sure my kids would want nothing to do with your spoiled children anyway. They prefer to hang with the girls that work with them at Gleaner’s Food Bank. Thanks.


125 posted on 11/28/2008 8:19:26 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Article doesn’t say..


126 posted on 11/28/2008 8:19:58 AM PST by GQuagmire ( A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.)
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To: Kirkwood

No that’s not the fact. Everything given to child is the property of the parents — that’s the facts. Go look it up!


127 posted on 11/28/2008 8:20:07 AM PST by bvw
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To: Rutles4Ever

It is, and I also think she was a d*mn fool to put her child in that situation myself.


128 posted on 11/28/2008 8:20:25 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: GQuagmire

Look, I know this is horrible, and I feel horrible for the clerk and his family.

And yet, I still can’t banish the thought of a very young and very terrified Kevin Bacon, wearing civvies and a Wal-Mart vest instead of Army ROTC green, screaming “REMAIN CALM!! ALL IS WELL!!”


129 posted on 11/28/2008 8:21:40 AM PST by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: "We Are Not Ruled By Murderers, But Only--By Their Friends."--Rudyard Kipling)
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To: qwertypie

Getting caught unexpectedly in a mob is one thing. This was planned though. No one was forced to get out of their cars and rush the doors. After thinking about it I agree. Everyone in that crowd should be charged.


130 posted on 11/28/2008 8:22:04 AM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: CindyDawg

My son owned the things we gave him but we made sure he was old enough to have those toys to begin with. We also held back money so he knew how to save for the larger things he wanted. With that money, he bought a remote control car that cost hundreds of dollars.

There was one time that I had failed him and I’m very lucky he doesn’t remember it. He won a hundred dollars when he was ten years old. He wanted a bike so we took him to the toy store and he picked one out. I disagreed with his purchase because the bike was too small for him. I chose one that fit him so he could ride if for a longer time as he grew.

He hated that bike and I hardly saw him ride it. He was more adult than I was and I learned a big lesson.

There was also something else he did. When he had too many toys given by others that he no longer played with, the wife had a garage sale. My son sold his old toys at his prices.


131 posted on 11/28/2008 8:22:16 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: qwertypie

I forgot to add in my post that the compacted crowd that I was in was at the Kentucky Derby. It was in an area of wealthier fans, so no cheap and easy stereotype can be applied.


132 posted on 11/28/2008 8:22:40 AM PST by qwertypie
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To: GQuagmire

I suspect that there will now be laws passed regulating how companies conduct “Black Friday.”

You know, people used to wait in line in Communist countries to get stuff, because they had no choice. Now here in the States, people choose to stand in line. Crazy.


133 posted on 11/28/2008 8:24:20 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: qwertypie

True — I was in two crushes at 70’s era rock concerts. In one I was almost pinned against the wall, but I braced against the wall with my mighty legs and pushed back to create a open zone at the wall for those with me. The second time was a lesser crush mid crowd during which some sleazebag tried to lift my wallet, only to have his wrist grabbed and his thumb bent back — which I would have taken all the way except that the sleaze being quick of hand, deftly parried and rolled away into flow of the crowd soup.


134 posted on 11/28/2008 8:26:55 AM PST by bvw
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To: Shooter 2.5

Every year, each of my children are to pick 10 things out of the toy box to give to charity before Christmas.

Sometimes that’s hard and I cut them a break to chose one item together.

They also save all through the year to give food at our Advent project. This year each of them saved enough from their allowance to give a huge bag of beans AND rice. Each!


135 posted on 11/28/2008 8:28:14 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: CindyDawg

About the only time I find myself in crowds is in public transit settings. I ride the NYC subways to/from work everyday, and commute to Pennsylvania by train every weekend. If trains are backed up or delayed, you find yourself on a platform or in a large station waiting area with a packed crowd. And all it would take is one spark, as you said.

A few months after 9/11, I found myself trying to get on a train at Penn Station/NYC when due to some scheduling snafu another train was unloading on the other side of the same platform, and due to some oversight, all the escalators were running down — there are also a few staircases, but it’s really tight even with one train unloading, no train loading and the escalators running 1/2 up and 1/2 down. Usually they’re pretty efficient about platform scheduling and setting the esecalators to run the correct way for the platform-use-of-the-moment, but this situation was a real mess. I decided it was worth risking missing my train to go back upstairs and notify the police/soldiers at the main security desk that this was a disaster waiting to happen. As I put it to the officer I reported it to, all it would take is one person to yell “Mom!” and one other person to be sure s/he heard “Bomb!” We’re talking over a thousand people crammed on a platform, with very few routes to get upstairs and out, and in a panic people WOULD try to run up the nearest stair or escalator, even if it was an escalator running down and already packed with people facing downward. I’m happy to say that my report was taken seriously and the officer immediately picked up the phone to notify station personnel.

We’re always safest when we’re alert to danger, and I’m afraid these special retail events draw crowds of people who are almost exclusively focused on getting that must-have electronic gadget for a super-low price.


136 posted on 11/28/2008 8:28:35 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: netmilsmom
That is the way our ship is run. My kids "get it".

I have friends who have the "parents have no right to do that" attitude, and you should see how the children speak, and act towards their parents and other adults. Entitled. You nailed it.
137 posted on 11/28/2008 8:28:50 AM PST by ScoochDude
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To: GQuagmire; All

A Freepmail to me from a long time honorable freeper who chooses to remain anonymous due to the subject matter...

I used to work in this area Valley Stream before I had my baby in 1992. It is a very heavy black area, yes whites lived and raised their kids in the area but the influx of punks from nearby Queens with no attachment to the community, who could not be schooled in the town also, had ruined the area as far back as the 80’s.

I was assualted once for trying to stop a shoplifter. It is very close to the Queens border. The mall security guards were all black and could not give a crap if the victim was white back then and the perp was black. We were also robbed doing a bank deposit. After that robbery I never allowed another outdoor deposit period, my company threatened me but I stuck to my guns for the protection of my employees.

I actually felt safer working in Midtown Manhattan a few months earlier pre Guiliani as mayor if you can believe that. I witnessed insane stuff in NYC but no blatent attempt at harm. NYC was horrible back then but for the most part if you just did your business you were ok.;

This is also the area where many years ago a gunman, local gang member killed someone in a packed movie theatre..this was I think about a year before I had my baby.

I know there can be crime anywhere however this mob mentality to get a stupid bargain of I dont know what as I saw the Walmart Black Friday ad is just INSANE. There was nothing important to buy...just a bunch of unneeded crap.

The people involved in this crap probably are not making their rent and obligations, the are hoping for the great promised change to take place on Jan 20, 2009.

There was nothing in Walmarts Black Friday ad that was worth waiting on line and being a participant in a stampede at such an early hour. The people involved I can almost attest have no passion for the Thanksgiving celebration either...Yes I know retail sucks but it really sucks when you have crime infested maggots all the time.


138 posted on 11/28/2008 8:30:43 AM PST by GQuagmire ( A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I adopted that same shopping policy a number of years ago after a relative coaxed me into going with her to an early morning after Thanksgiving sale. I understand how it happened that this poor man was trampled to death, and the young woman miscarried her baby. There isn’t an item on earth worth the chaos I experienced that day, and it was apparently much less chaotic than at this Long Island Wal-Mart.

As a matter of fact, I didn’t even buy anything that morning, and most, if not all, of the items that interested me were still on sale at the same price later in the day and the days following.

Re: your brother’s kids, I’d bet that is repeated in most families across this country. I know it’s the case with my sister’s grandkids and with my S-I-L’s grandkids. It’s maddening.

When poverty in the U.S. is mentioned, I say it is a poverty of want rather than a poverty of need when it comes to material things, in most cases. They see it - they want it...whether or not they need it, and they never get enough to keep them from wanting more.


139 posted on 11/28/2008 8:31:56 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: netmilsmom

My charity days are over except for donating to the NRA. We’re going to need the help for the next four years.


140 posted on 11/28/2008 8:34:06 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: CindyDawg

They need to arrest them all for tragic ignorance. Charge them all for murder and let them all talk their way out of it, if they can, with the video as backup. Unbelievable.


141 posted on 11/28/2008 8:35:41 AM PST by ritewingwarrior (Just say No.)
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To: 4yearlurker
These folks stomp a human to death over Chinese plastic junk. Imagine if there is a food shortage.

Just one more reason to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights.

142 posted on 11/28/2008 8:39:15 AM PST by JrsyJack
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To: GQuagmire

So sad, I have been to WalMart’s early shopping twice and there was nothing riotous about it but it wasn’t exactly a relaxing stroll in the park either. I stayed home.


143 posted on 11/28/2008 8:41:41 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Kirkwood
When a childs "gift" is cluttering up a closet in MY house, and they haven't played with it in almost a year. I just don't tell them, and confiscate it like big government does, and donate it (redistribute the wealth) to a place where other children might find joy in it.

I use my childrens' favorite toys as leverage in behavior modification, and it works just fine. I have 5 children: 19, 16, 11, 6, 4. We all live under the same Christian conservative, self reliant, patriotic roof.

It is no democracy here. 100% Dictatorship.
144 posted on 11/28/2008 8:42:03 AM PST by ScoochDude
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To: Riley

ditto


145 posted on 11/28/2008 8:43:00 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: CindyDawg

Wal-Mart needs to have the pants sued off of them for this. Pure negligence, allowing for this free-for-all. What did they expect?


146 posted on 11/28/2008 8:43:01 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: 4yearlurker

Very sobering thought you posted.


147 posted on 11/28/2008 8:44:06 AM PST by jersey117
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To: dfwgator
Wal-Mart needs to have the pants sued off of them for this. Pure negligence, allowing for this free-for-all. What did they expect?

How is this the fault of Walmart? Just imagine Walmart canceling Black Friday sales in all inner-city stores because the customers are animals and cannot control themselves. What would that lead to?

148 posted on 11/28/2008 8:46:37 AM PST by JrsyJack
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To: mancini

How is this Walmart’s fault? They provide a service, yes it is a good deal and there are limited choices, but does that mean that people have to act like animals? Same thinking is what got Obama elected. Blame someone else for problems I created for myself. The ‘People’ are too stupid to know any better so lets blame the people ‘in control’. Yeh sounds great.


149 posted on 11/28/2008 8:46:41 AM PST by ritewingwarrior (Just say No.)
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To: GQuagmire

I do not think it is funny. RIP. Those Black Friday stampedes and about as dangerous as Spain’s Bull Run


150 posted on 11/28/2008 8:47:08 AM PST by Ancient Drive (will)
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