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Justice Clarence Thomas and the Obama factor
Family Security Matters ^ | Saturday, November 29 | Dave Bertrand,

Posted on 11/29/2008 8:26:48 AM PST by ckilmer

November 29, 2008

Oval Office Watch – Saturday, November 29

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See facts concerning Obama’s missing birth certificate RIGHT HERE.
 
Justice Clarence Thomas and the Obama factor
Dave Bertrand, Traffic AlertUSA.com
 
The Obama "conspiracy theory" is reaching new heights beyond anyone's comprehension...or at least the comprehension of those that voted for this dynamic man. Dynamic in the sense that our Supreme Court on December 5th, will either put this all to rest and the voters will continue to believe in their messiah, or it will turn this country upside down. With many lawsuits backing-up and Justice Clarence Thomas now coming forth to unravel the dynamics of this conspiracy, our constitution is in crisis, but this is also an opportunity for the "World President" Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetero, Dunham or whatever his name is to forge ahead with his quote unquote, "International Order" which means "The New World Order."
 
But that's just ridiculous thinking and there's no way our government would allow a non-citizen to scam his way into the presidency?? And of course Bill Clinton "did not have sex with that woman," or George H. Bush didn't mean that "read my lips...no new taxes" was just a slip of the tongue, and Nixon was truthful when he said that he was "not a crook." Every president has lied and this president-elect may be slicker than willy himself, or more than any president we have ever had.
 
Simple enough for president-elect Obama to put this all to rest himself, is to provide his college records, medical records and the super secret vault birth certificate that is being kept under seal of being (possibly), the biggest embarrassment of this country's history and a major let-down to the African/American community that deserve a president, much like the charisma that Obama displays. Should he get a "free pass" if he is lying? In my opinion...this whole Obama conspiracy cannot be contained by both the corporate media and both the republican and democratic parties, and like most conspiracies....the "powers at be" will just get to the point with the American people and say, "so what!! What are you going to do about it??"  
 
"Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetero, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham are all names that our president-elect has been known to use throughout his life."
 
"It has been shown that in 1981 Obama traveled to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport. At the time of his travels to Indonesia, Obama was twenty years old. He was well aware he maintained his Indonesian citizenship, and had yet to regain his United States citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship."
 
"The Obama campaign took great delight in pointing out that John McCain ranked 894th out of a graduating class of 899 at the U.S. Naval Academy. However do you know where Mr. Obama ranked in his graduating class at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard? You don’t know because Obama would not release any of his school records."
 
"A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama’s name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a “conference” at the U.S. Supreme Court." [Scheduled for December 5th, 2008] Read article.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; thomas
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1 posted on 11/29/2008 8:26:48 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

According to a document a poster posted earlier, all that was needed for the state of Rhode Island was a signed statement that said “I certify that this candidate is qualified constitutionally to hold this office” signed by Barack and two witnesses.

So yeah, we are supposed to take his word.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2139899/posts


2 posted on 11/29/2008 8:32:32 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: ckilmer

I don’t believe that the Justices will declare him ineligible.

They’d have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. There’d be too many people who would want to get revenge for the Supreme Court’s decision.


3 posted on 11/29/2008 8:33:35 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: ckilmer

Hey! Did they ever really prove he went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport? I had heard it speculated due to travel rules at the time, but never anything concrete.


4 posted on 11/29/2008 8:33:46 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: autumnraine
....the "powers at be" will just get to the point with the American people and say, "so what!! What are you going to do about it??"

I think there is going to be hell to pay.

5 posted on 11/29/2008 8:39:31 AM PST by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BlessedBeGod
They’d have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. There’d be too many people who would want to get revenge for the Supreme Court’s decision.

Didn't stop them with desegregation, and emotions ran very high about that for many years, still do in some places. Didn't stop them with Roe v. Wade, with the same result. Either we are a Constitutional Republic or we are not. Enforce the provisions.

6 posted on 11/29/2008 8:46:06 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: BlessedBeGod
I don’t believe that the Justices will declare him ineligible. They’d have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. There’d be too many people who would want to get revenge for the Supreme Court’s decision.

I hear ya, but consider this: Judges regularly sentence mob kingpins. Granted, the Democrat Party is the largest mob in America, but I think the mindset of Justice Thomas is robust enough in the face of political opposition to actually uphold the Constitution, TeeVee editorials and illiterates by the 10s of millions be damned.

7 posted on 11/29/2008 8:46:16 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: ckilmer
...there's no way our government would allow a non-citizen to scam his way into the presidency??

I wouldn't want to bet my ranch on it.

This egotistical, empty-suited socialist, trojan horse fits nicely into the plan our puppetmasters have in mind.

Americans may wake up from this stupor they're in over this bozo.

8 posted on 11/29/2008 8:46:24 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Either we are a Constitutional Republic or we are not.

Damn straight. The constitution is the supreme law of the land and even overrides the will of the voters.
9 posted on 11/29/2008 8:49:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: BlessedBeGod
It was my understanding that the SC is not being asked to rule him ineligible, but rather to rule that candidates must show their birth certificates/proof of being natural born citizens. It would be Obama not the SC that showed he was ineligible by being unable to show the proof. But since this would be a ruling that covered all candidates it could not be said to target only him.
10 posted on 11/29/2008 8:49:39 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: BlessedBeGod
I don’t believe that the Justices will declare him ineligible. They’d have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. There’d be too many people who would want to get revenge for the Supreme Court’s decision.

It is very easy to believe that the supremes would choose to avoid a crisis. The one thought that comes to mind though is what did the oath of office mean to Justice Roberts when he was sworn in. Is he a man who could take that oath then stand and swear in a president that was potentially unconstitutional? I know I couldn't do it. Can he? That is what we the people don't know.

11 posted on 11/29/2008 8:53:25 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: CMAC51

the Supreme Court ruled in the 2000 election, I believe they will stand by the constitution.


12 posted on 11/29/2008 8:54:45 AM PST by tioga
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To: cripplecreek

I just don’t understand all this bleating about “overriding the will of the voters” from the left, anyway. Haven’t Federal circuit court judges routinely done just that, in California and elsewhere? They’re trying to override the will of the voters regarding Prop. 8 in CA right this very moment. So, this argument doesn’t wash with me.

Here, we have a candidate, a complete cipher, who has concealed just about everything pertaining to his life leading up to election, who has had questions raised about his eligibility for office, almost from the outset, who is absolutely unabashed about using legal technicalities to remove his own opposition. What’s the problem, then? Hold him to account.


13 posted on 11/29/2008 8:57:12 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: BlessedBeGod

In situations like that, all that’s needed is for the Justices to roll out Justice “Per Curiam” - a means whereby the Justices issue an opinion without ascribing it to any particular Justice (assuming its unanimous - big assumption, but they are the guardians of the Constitution after all).


14 posted on 11/29/2008 8:58:00 AM PST by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: RegulatorCountry
The SOB needs to follow his own advice.

Let me also say that I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination. This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job. I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us.

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama on the Confirmation of Judge John Roberts
15 posted on 11/29/2008 9:01:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: ckilmer

Very good article. Go read the whole thing.


16 posted on 11/29/2008 9:03:02 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: cripplecreek

Disclosure for thee, but not for me.


17 posted on 11/29/2008 9:03:17 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: BlessedBeGod
I agree. And have for the duration. The SC will not overturn the election, which is what is at stake. They didn't even really want to get involved in 2000 but they had to after the SC of Florida went rogue and did violence to its own laws.

I don't know just what their legalistic excuse will be, but they will duck this issue.

18 posted on 11/29/2008 9:24:11 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cripplecreek

Fabulous find!


19 posted on 11/29/2008 9:24:18 AM PST by thesetruths
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To: cripplecreek
Let me also say that I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination. This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job. I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us. - BHO

First I'd seen this. Thanks for showing us.

20 posted on 11/29/2008 9:28:52 AM PST by RGPII
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To: ckilmer

Activist judges have had us on the slippery slope of total disregard for the rule of law for decades. The charisma of the Messiah may well trump the law, the Constitution and the rule of law. That is the definition of facism.


21 posted on 11/29/2008 9:28:58 AM PST by Spok (Poverty destroys monarchies; prosperity destroys republics.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

bttt


22 posted on 11/29/2008 9:32:59 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: ckilmer

Obama should produce a birth certificate, but there is zero concrete, positive evidence he was born outside of US. If you are zealous about constitutional requirements being followed, by all means continue the good fight. But if you think you can stop Obama’s inauguration, that is not going to happen.

At any rate even in the never-going-to-happen scenario of Obama being judged unqualified for office, either Hillary or Biden become president (depending on when he is disqualified). Its a fun thing to think about, just as long as you know its not going to happened.


23 posted on 11/29/2008 9:40:39 AM PST by zarodinu
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To: ckilmer

We are witnessing the most brazen and public robbery of all time. The stealing of the highest office in the land.

Hiding behind the tint of his skin, Zero knows the MSM and other traitors will not discuss this issue. Even high officials that have sworn to uphold The Constitution are likely to be cowards and betray our country.

It has been difficult to respect anyone in the government ever, but if/when Zero is installed as president, I will have contempt for everyone in gov’t. Rotten from the roots up, right up to the Oval Office.

Zero makes William Jefferson Clinton look like a silly prankster! At least Bill is an American!

Zero is, at his inner core, a brazen liar who will not do the simplest of duties to ascend to the presidency. Good grief, I can show my COLB in about 2 minutes. This man is a fraud. He has no US COLB.

I have no confidence that the Supremes will uphold the law. I have only prayers that they will and that the truths about Zero will come out before it is too late.

By the way, what on earth happened to the LA Times video of Zero at a Chicago party for a famous Hammas guy? On this tape, there was a troop of little islamic boys doing a dance that simulated them beheading Americans and Jews in a lovely little dance performance. Gee, not a word about THAT for a month now. Like it never happened!

The LA Times could have released that tape and saved us from the looming crisis about the Obama birth place. But no, The LA Times withheld the information. Fewer idiots would have voted for Zero had that tape been made public. Perhaps a few liberal Jews and Christians might have taken offense to simulated beheadings of themselves? Maybe, maybe not. The liberal schools have succeeded so well in dumbing down the American public. How excruciatingly sad for those who know what is going on in our country.


24 posted on 11/29/2008 9:40:57 AM PST by TheConservativeParty ("Those guys are jerks!" Saracuda)
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To: ckilmer

The SC will not be ruling he’s ineligable only that he needs to prove he is “natural born” by his vaulted birth certificate. It would be Obama himself who would declare that by not being able to prove it. Please Lord let Justice Thomas ask for the proof. It’s very simple for him to do it just release it to the court.


25 posted on 11/29/2008 9:42:58 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: ckilmer

The Supreme Court will do NOTHING. They will accept his birth certificate at face value.

Besides... he doesn’t need one since he was not born but instead descended from the Heavens.

The Court will do NOTHING to interfere with Obama becoming President because to do so would be far worse than having a non-eligible person become President.

We may as well just forget about it.


26 posted on 11/29/2008 9:50:52 AM PST by aj7360
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To: Mogollon

Obama must be made to honor the Constitution. He must be a natural born citizen to serve as President. It appears that he is NOT! It’s time to declare him ineligible.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


27 posted on 11/29/2008 9:53:14 AM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american

I agree!


28 posted on 11/29/2008 9:58:23 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: real_patriotic_american
Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis Sign the Petition : 121,860 Letters and Emails Sent So Far

Heads up. The link on post 27 has a petition to sign.

29 posted on 11/29/2008 10:01:54 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: RegulatorCountry
Haven’t Federal circuit court judges routinely done just that, in California and elsewhere? They’re trying to override the will of the voters regarding Prop. 8 in CA right this very moment.

Federal courts are not involved in the CA Prop. 8 cases.

30 posted on 11/29/2008 10:13:39 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: TruthWillWin

Right on and I signed it proudly!!!!

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


31 posted on 11/29/2008 10:15:57 AM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: aj7360

there is detailed proof of forgery in that I’Net BC. If you think people who know this are going to “forget about it”, you’re way wrong!


32 posted on 11/29/2008 10:22:05 AM PST by luvadavi (Important old novel: The Moon Is Down, John Steinbeck, 1942)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Not yet, but you know it’s coming.


33 posted on 11/29/2008 10:22:05 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ckilmer
"It has been shown that in 1981 Obama traveled to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport. At the time of his travels to Indonesia, Obama was twenty years old. He was well aware he maintained his Indonesian citizenship, and had yet to regain his United States citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship."

I have heard much speculation about the Indonesian passport, and it appears likely, but have never seen documented evidence. Has anyone seen substantive documentation?

34 posted on 11/29/2008 10:31:45 AM PST by Deepest End
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To: Spok

“the charisma of the Messiah may well trump the law, the Constitution”

Regarding fear of civil strife, keep in mind that like us, the justices have read B. Franklin:
“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
and something along the lines:
“Those who prefer security over liberty deserve neither”.


35 posted on 11/29/2008 10:33:04 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: nclaurel

Yes, and I think it would be a rather useful thing.

‘Cept in ‘Bama’s case, my bet is that he would haul out DNA evidence to prove he’s not actually an Obama by blood anyway, explaining that he was some AA US citizen’s spawn—and therefore a natural-born citizen. (As a capper, he’d use the pride and coverup of his dead grandmother as an excuse not to have come clean earlier.)


36 posted on 11/29/2008 10:38:08 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Clever thought. One thing is for certain he will say or do whatever it takes to accomplish his agenda for his masters.


37 posted on 11/29/2008 10:40:50 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: nclaurel

Oh, his destructive hate of perceived US supremacy and non-affirmative action achievers is deep and wide: he would and will do anything to be in a position to wreak the damage that’s coming!


38 posted on 11/29/2008 10:46:36 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: zarodinu
Obama should produce a birth certificate, but there is zero concrete, positive evidence he was born outside of US.

If a person is ever audited by the IRS, the burden of proof falls upon the audited, not the auditor.

To be POTUS the burden of proof of eligibility should fall upon the one running.

Its backwards thinking to think one is presumed eligible for office until proven otherwise.

39 posted on 11/29/2008 11:07:32 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

It certainly is a test of whether we are a nation of men or of laws.

it is extremely fortunate at this time that the media structure has changed so that whatever is done will be highly visible and covering up a decision to trash the Constitution will be much more difficult than it would have been 20 or more years ago.


40 posted on 11/29/2008 11:11:51 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: 9YearLurker
... my bet is that he would haul out DNA evidence to prove he’s not actually an Obama by blood anyway, explaining that he was some AA US citizen’s spawn ...

As has been illustrated with photos on many threads, 0bama's facial features resemble those of Frank Davis far more than those of Barack 0bama Sr.

41 posted on 11/29/2008 11:13:19 AM PST by SFConservative
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To: SFConservative

Yes, and he looks even more like his other reputed father, Malcolm X.

But that still doesn’t mean he’s a US citizen, if he gave up his citizenship to become an Indonesian, and never took any action to recover it when he returned to Hawaii.


42 posted on 11/29/2008 11:19:03 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SFConservative

Davis or Malcolm X or probably about 10 million African Americans more so than any of the Obamas!


43 posted on 11/29/2008 11:19:30 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: mountn man; zarodinu
Obama should produce a birth certificate, but there is zero concrete, positive evidence he was born outside of US.

OTOH, aren't a lot of his records inaccessible as well. Have we seen his tax records even? I know a lot of other documentation has not been made available.

44 posted on 11/29/2008 11:19:33 AM PST by RGPII
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To: Cicero

My understanding is that he’d only have lost his US citizenship if he’d gone into something like a US embassy in Indonesia and denounced it there. Simply whispering allegiance into the ear of another non-enemy country is not enough to be stripped of US citizenship rights.


45 posted on 11/29/2008 11:20:54 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: BlessedBeGod
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador said yes.

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. Further, here is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya


The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

In any case the supreme court--at Justice Thomas instigation-- is taking up the issue Dec 5
46 posted on 11/29/2008 11:25:53 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: autumnraine

Hey! Did they ever really prove he went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport? I had heard it speculated due to travel rules at the time, but never anything concrete.


I’ve seen this ban on travel plaster around the net but have yet to see a link to the governmental ban disallowing the travel. If you ever see a link to that ban please ping me to it. I’ve done a limited search for the ban but haven’t been successful in finding it.


47 posted on 11/29/2008 11:32:52 AM PST by deport (.....................May your Friday shopping be a pleasure..................)
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To: RGPII
He produced his tax records during the primary, after Hillary provided hers, and then challenged him to do the same.

In the 6 years prior to running for office he gave 1% in donations (give or take 1/10th of %)

It wasn't until the last 2 years when he was running for POTUS, and that he made big money from his books, that he gave about 4% and 6%.

Dang he's generous (with other peoples money).

48 posted on 11/29/2008 11:39:20 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: aj7360

Nah. I have a little more confidence in Justices Alito, Scalia, Thomas, Chief Justice Roberts and Leo Donofrio.

The Legislative and Executive (to be) Branches are abusing the electorate and citizenry on this issue. Our only recourse is the Judical Branch to stop the abuse.

The Framers of the Constitution were very concerned about someone like Obama with possible divided loyalties, etc. If Leo gets his day in court he will argue that passionately. Follow what the Framers wrote in the Constitution or it is meaningless.


49 posted on 11/29/2008 11:41:23 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: SFConservative; Cicero
That's why courts are so suspicious of "cross-racial identifications."

Please, if you know any Black people show them pictures of Obama, Davis, and Malcolm and ask them if they see any special resemblance.

Or if that's too risky, show your African-American friend pictures of randomly selected Whites and ask them if they notice any family resemblances. You might be surprised.

50 posted on 11/29/2008 11:42:39 AM PST by x
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