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I WANT TO LIVE (terrorist from Mumbai train station captured alive)
Mumbai Mirror ^ | 29 Nov 2008 | Rakesh Prakash, Ravikiran Deshmukh and Danish Khan

Posted on 11/29/2008 10:48:24 AM PST by angkor

His swaggering image as he walked around Chhatrapati Shivaji terminus was captured by Mumbai Mirror photo editor Sebastian D’Souza, and was the first glimpse of the terrorists who have held Mumbai hostage over the last 48 hours.

Now we can also tell you who this man is and how he has become the vital link for investigating agencies to crack the terror plot. His name is Azam Amir Kasav, he is 21 years old, speaks fluent English, hails from tehsil Gipalpura in Faridkot in Pakistan, and is the only terrorist from this audacious operation to have been captured alive.An ATS spokesperson confirmed that the man captured was indeed the one photographed by us.

On the night of Wednesday-Thursday, Azam and his colleague opened fire at CST before creating havoc at Metro and then moving on to Girgaum Chowpatty in a stolen Skoda, and where they were intercepted by a team from the Gamdevi police station. Azam shot dead assistant police inspector Tukaram Umbale.

But in that encounter, Azam’s colleague was killed and he himself was injured in the hand. He pretended to be dead giving rise to the news that two terrorists had been killed. However, as the ‘bodies’ were being taken to Nair Hospital, the accompanying cops, figured that one of the men was breathing.

According to sources, the casualty ward of Nair hospital was evacuated and the Anti-Terror Squad moved in to interrogate him. Azam who was tightlipped initially, cracked upon seeing the mutilated body of his colleague and pleaded with the medical staff at Nair to save his life. “I do not want to die,” he reportedly said. “Please put me on saline.”

Ammunition, a satellite phone and a layout plan of CST was recovered from him. According to sources, the young terrorist has given the investigators vital leads including how the chief planner of the Mumbai terror plot had come to the city a month ago, took pictures and filmed strategic locations and trained their group and instructed them to “kill till the last breath”. Every man was given six to seven magazines with fifty bullets each, eight hand grenades per terrorist with one AK-57, an automatic loading revolver and a supply of dry fruits.

Azam reportedly disclosed that the group left Karachi in one boat and upon reaching Gujarat they hoisted a white flag on their boat and were intercepted by two officers of the coast guard near Porbandar and while they were being questioned, one of the terrorists grappled with one of the officers, slit his throat and threw the body in the boat. The other officer was told to help the group reach Mumbai. When they were four nautical miles away from Mumbai, there were three speedboats waiting for them where the other coastguard officer was killed. All the ammo was then shifted into these three speedboats. They reached Colaba jetty on Wednesday night and the ten men broke up into groups of two each. Four of these men went to the Taj Mahal hotel, two of them to the Trident hotel, two towards Nariman Point at Colaba and two of which Azam was one, moved to CST.

Azam, who was Nair hospital for nearly four hours, was taken away by the intelligence agencies in the early hours of Thursday to an unknown location after the hospital authorities had removed the bullet from his hand and declared that his condition was stable.

But it seems the police grilling was so intense that before he left the hospital for an undisclosed location, he pleaded with the police and the medical staff to kill him. “Now, I don’t want to live,” he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: azam; india; mohammedanism; mumbai; terrorism
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51 posted on 11/29/2008 11:34:10 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Works for me. I especially have little sympathy for islamic terrorists. Soon they will have the whole world coming after them.


52 posted on 11/29/2008 11:35:32 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: UPcrawfish

You are right. I just thought “If I post that the drums are 75 rounds, some one will come up with some mod drum with a gazillion rounds.” So I googled it. However, I could see mongo drum able to carry 1000 rounds, but it would probably extend out a ways.... and would have to be really bizarrely engineered with some kind of belt. I just bot a thousand rounds. If you had a drum big enough for it, it (the weapon) would have to be on a tripod, I guess.

Do you have a good source for 7.62, btw? Cheaper than dirt is on back order. Most places are sold out.


53 posted on 11/29/2008 11:35:53 AM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Medical care in Pockistan is so poor, that all people know are saline and glucose. He might just as easily have said, “I don’t want to die. Please put me on glucose.”


54 posted on 11/29/2008 11:36:55 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: kaehurowing
"I mean, they need to follow the Geneva Convention and all that."

No, No, No, Terrorism is a police issue not military. Thats how clinton handled it and the chosen one seems to feel thats the only fair way.

55 posted on 11/29/2008 11:37:20 AM PST by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: CindyDawg

>>>I don’t want to bad mouth these men who fought and some died to end this though. People see situations differently, sometimes. Time will tell. <<<<<

I’m not really sure he was badmouthing them, at least intentionally.

He certainly must have had the adrenaline pumping, he’d already been shot at by them twice, and he wanted to kill the bastards as he saw them killing innocents in Victoria Terminus.


56 posted on 11/29/2008 11:37:21 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Not dogs - pigs.


57 posted on 11/29/2008 11:40:23 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Lurker

You must be a Pulp Fiction fan.


58 posted on 11/29/2008 11:41:03 AM PST by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: angkor

He did good:’)


59 posted on 11/29/2008 11:42:53 AM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
Or else, instead of blowing up ALL the mosques, return them to use as the Christian churches, Hindu temples, and every other groups’ worship buildings they used to be before the koranimals invaded and massacred most of the original inhabitants and forced the survivors to become muslim over the past 1400 years.

Good point. I could definitely dance to that.

60 posted on 11/29/2008 11:43:48 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: skimask

It’s the difference between 110vac and 220vac. They learned that trick from some CIA old-timers but forgot to do the math conversion on the difference between Indian and American outlet voltages.


61 posted on 11/29/2008 11:46:12 AM PST by samtheman (uo)
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To: kaehurowing; Cicero

>>>>I thought earlier accounts said that there were several prisoners. But I suppose in such chaos false reports are likely.<<<<<<

Yes, there were several early reports on thursday (and even into friday) that either 6 or 9 terrorist murdering animals had been captured.

i found them credible because on the heels came one (and only one) story detailing the tactics and procedures of the terrorists, which has proven in retrospect to be accurate. wish i had saved the URL, it was a concise report with a certain ring of authenticity.

if other of these animals were rounded up, i guess/hope they “died of their wounds”.

this was exactly and precisely the situation where torture is called for and justified. who knows what other traps they’d set, what other targets they had, or what other abominations they had planned.


62 posted on 11/29/2008 11:47:29 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

Other prospective terrorists are probably looking for places to hide after this terrorist spills his guts. We should soon be reading of terrorist strongholds being taken out.


63 posted on 11/29/2008 11:47:56 AM PST by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: CindyDawg

>>>>>We are talking about two different guys. <<<<

OK, gotcha.


64 posted on 11/29/2008 11:48:33 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: F15Eagle

Not soon enough, I’m afraid. Can anyone show me what benefit islam has ever had for humanity or culture - hospitals, charities, universitites, advancements in medicine or science? I know some great knowledge came out of the Arab world, but I believe that was all PRE-islam and PRE-mohammed. This worship of the “moon god” just has no place in civilization as we have known it for centuries, millenia. Wipe it all out before it’s too late.


65 posted on 11/29/2008 11:49:56 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: kaehurowing

They can start by checking him for prostate cancer with a cattle prod, and proceed from there..


66 posted on 11/29/2008 11:50:45 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: JimSEA

>>>>Ten jihadis on meth did all this according to the news. <<<<

I’ve heard “yes drugs” and “no drugs”, wonder if this has been confirmed?

I can’t imagine anyone who is not totally insane doing something like this, or someone who is completely doped up.


67 posted on 11/29/2008 11:51:32 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: definitelynotaliberal; TribalPrincess2U

>>>>>Medical care in Pockistan is so poor, that all people know are saline and glucose.<<<<<<<

Yep, very common “cures” in the third world.

“I feel crappy, think I’ll go to the Doc for a glucose IV.”

“I have a hangover, think I’ll.....”

....and so on.


68 posted on 11/29/2008 11:56:47 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: TonyStark

In other words, the only survival for a nation is for a nation to put its survival as a nation above other interests. Makes sense to me.


69 posted on 11/29/2008 11:57:32 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Speak up, fight back, even if your voice trembles and your knees shake.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Satan needed a method to fight against the Gospel of Christ, while making up a phony “jesus” which Yasser Arafat, Osama bin Laden, and a whole host of idiot terrorists could acknowledge for 1400 years.

Satan’s ultimate goal is to get mankind to destroy itself, and preferably, without getting Saved prior to meeting their Maker.

Although the False Prophet appears to be a false “christianity” (two horns like a lamb BUT speaks as a Dragon = Satan), I believe islam will provide many of the foot soldiers in the Last Days. After all, the execution method is beheading in Revelation 13. Dunno, guess we’ll see how it all plays out.

And the evil spirits proceed from the mouths of the Dragon (Satan), the Antichrist and the False Prophet to deceive the nations into the Battle of Armageddon. They will wage total war against Israel. To say it will be their Waterloo is an understatement.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2016:13-14,16&version=9;

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Islam hopes for world-wide war. They may just get what they want. It will not have the outcome they hope: in fact the opposite. And their hatred of Israel and the Jew, by the deception of the koran and the hadiths, will bring them face-to-face with the God of Israel in battle.


70 posted on 11/29/2008 11:58:53 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: samtheman; skimask

Also, waterboarding is slightly superfluous when your subject is wounded and laying in a hospital surgery with an array of scalpels, forceps, defibrillators, and psychoactive drugs.

What ever happened to those 5 other guys reported captured in the beginning?


71 posted on 11/29/2008 12:00:31 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: Lurker; Travis McGee; Cindy; CodeToad

Thus far I have seen pics of only two terr’s.....one of em this POS and the other a person in same picture with him, taller wearing grey clothing. How many were there all told ? Seems weird Mr Photogenic is sole survivor.


72 posted on 11/29/2008 12:00:54 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: taxesareforever

>>>>>after this terrorist spills his guts. We should soon be reading of terrorist strongholds being taken out.<<<<<<

Yep, Indian operators and mercenaries can infiltrate Pakistan just as easily as the terrorists entered Mumbai.

But perhaps it will happen quietly and we will not read of it.


73 posted on 11/29/2008 12:03:50 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: samtheman

I think your on to something. That 110/220 conversion. Ill pass it up the ladder. Can’t wait till they get someone to try it out on and see if it works now.


74 posted on 11/29/2008 12:07:37 PM PST by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

>>>>Can anyone show me what benefit islam has ever had for humanity or culture - hospitals, charities, universitites, advancements in medicine or science?<<<<<<

They made some advances for about 200 years post-MoonBoy, then succumbed to the totalitarian dictates of his followers.

There an MIT-trained engineering professor named Pervez Hoodbhoy who has written some incredible stuff about “Islamic science”.

Like:

Islam and Science: Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality; Zed Books, London, 1992. ISBN 978-1856490252 (Translations in Arabic, Indonesian, Malaysian, Turkish, and Urdu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervez_Hoodbhoy


75 posted on 11/29/2008 12:09:29 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: gaijin
Standard AK mag is 30, you can get 40. Drum mags come in 75 and 100 round sizes
76 posted on 11/29/2008 12:15:02 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: Squantos; Lurker; Travis McGee; Cindy; CodeToad

>>>>>How many were there all told ? Seems weird Mr Photogenic is sole survivor.<<<<<<<

The numbers are still up in the air, and fog of war has been a problem.

The initial reports (thursday PM USA time) were 5 to 10 captured, 5 to 10 killed, depending upon the report.

several times “40 probable terrorists” was reported and once 50.

It’s odd that they end up with this one guy, but I suspect under the circumstances that extreme and justifiable measures were applied to the others who were captured.


77 posted on 11/29/2008 12:17:17 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: angkor
I have heard on IBN and NDTV that they were using meth to stay up and alert for a long period of time. That makes sense.
78 posted on 11/29/2008 12:17:51 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Yeah, the guy pictured above looks completely wigged-out in the videocam screen capture.


79 posted on 11/29/2008 12:19:14 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

First rub them all in pork fat.


80 posted on 11/29/2008 12:19:26 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: gaijin
I know of a North Korean interrogation technique that uses a series of glass rods and a man’s urethra. I honestly do not know the details that follow, but I feel certain that it isn’t pretty.

The Russians used it during the 1956 Hungarian revolution. Insert glass rod up urethra, smash it while it's inside. Effects are pretty painful initially, and again every time you try to pee.

81 posted on 11/29/2008 12:22:13 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: jhpigott; Dog; AdmSmith; TexKat; Coop; jeffers; nuconvert; Arizona Carolyn; BurbankKarl; SE Mom; ...

Al Qaeda are trained to give false information in the event of capture, to allow others time to escape and to reflect inacurrately to the benefit of the organization.

Further, drones hired for one operation, not bayat (pledged) members, are given limited instructions and then are left deliberately for capture so that higher echelon AQ members have time to escape. This was the case in both the 1993 NYC WTC and 1998 Embassy attacks. The terrorist who returned to collect the deposit on the rental truck used to bomb the WTC really had little other choice to obtain funds with which to leave the country, and while US officials were interrogating him thinking they had a real live fish, the rest of the group was escaping.

This man’s information could go either way, he might have cracked, or he might be spreading deliberate disinformation, but either way you need to take all of it with a grain of salt.


82 posted on 11/29/2008 12:26:50 PM PST by jeffers
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To: PapaBear3625
The Russians used it during the 1956 Hungarian revolution. Insert glass rod up urethra, smash it while it's inside. Effects are pretty painful initially, and again every time you try to pee.

I got a heart palpitation just reading that.

83 posted on 11/29/2008 12:28:59 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Pigs, wild or not so wild pigs, this would also cancel his 72 virgins card.


84 posted on 11/29/2008 12:32:17 PM PST by Rumplemeyer
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To: Slings and Arrows

Put him in a sty with starving pigs. Tie hom down. He will talk.


85 posted on 11/29/2008 12:38:09 PM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: tflabo

From the look of the young man in that picture, he is of the age that the terrorists seek: young, dumb, naive, and easily duped.

Exactly the same kind that the democrats target in college and just out of high-school.

Those are the kind that brought Obama over the top in the election. They are the most easily duped, and they, even as dumb as they are, took this nation in a dangerous direction.

We in the U.S. have our own militant left. They are just as dangerous as those that killed so many in Mumbai.


86 posted on 11/29/2008 12:44:28 PM PST by adorno
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Give us any reason to think you’re lying and we feed your remains to a pack of wild dogs - and do do on TV.

If you want him to 'spill his guts' then I recommend vivisection.

"Hey Azam-- look at this, it's your small intestine. Talk to me and maybe I'll put it back."

87 posted on 11/29/2008 12:46:57 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: angkor

No problema...thanks for posting this informational thread.


88 posted on 11/29/2008 12:47:34 PM PST by tflabo (:)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Oh, yes, that’s uncivilized and barbaric.
And don’t forget the pig hide suits for them all.


89 posted on 11/29/2008 12:48:57 PM PST by dusttoyou (mushroom culture, keep us in the dark and feed only BS)
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To: gaijin

Cabela’s sells 50 round clips.


90 posted on 11/29/2008 1:00:21 PM PST by houeto
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To: angkor

bttt


91 posted on 11/29/2008 1:09:21 PM PST by Guenevere
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To: slnk_rules

sent you a pvt msg...


92 posted on 11/29/2008 1:50:11 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: angkor

I say let him live, long enough to drop him into a tank of Piranhas. That should be fun to watch.


93 posted on 11/29/2008 1:50:47 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Frantzie

If not I’m sure someone in the Obama administration will offer them to them.


94 posted on 11/29/2008 1:54:22 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (On the "Road to Surfdom"is no longer a question.)
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To: Cacique

“”I say let him live, long enough to drop him into a tank of Piranhas. That should be fun to watch.””

Just lower, slowly. Dropping would be too quick.


95 posted on 11/29/2008 1:57:16 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: gaijin

Although 30 rounds is common, there are all sorts of AK mags available. I’ve seen all sorts advertised - 40, 47, 55, and a 75 round drum.

I’ve never heard of an AK-57.


96 posted on 11/29/2008 2:07:36 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
There are things worse than death. Over a period of time, surgically remove body parts. Arms, legs, lower torso, and eye lids. Then place him in front of a full length mirror and leave him there so he can see what kind of monster he is. Yea, I know...I'm a sick puppy.
97 posted on 11/29/2008 2:14:30 PM PST by odin2008 (EVIL TRUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: kaehurowing

Please call our esteemed rat leaders. We must stop this injustice. This poor misunderstood young man deserves another chance. He has rights. He needs an attorney, food, water, shelter, blanket, and a bond. Stop the interrogation! Read him his Miranda rights. His civil rights have been violated.


98 posted on 11/29/2008 2:29:45 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Squantos

This whole thing hasn’t added up. They seem to be unknown people of unknown interests, yet, they came together to plan multiple assaults in coordination.


99 posted on 11/29/2008 2:57:57 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Squantos

P.S. These terrorists are the type that can easily obtain residency in the US and do the same thing here.


100 posted on 11/29/2008 2:58:51 PM PST by CodeToad
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