Skip to comments.Update on Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Issue
Posted on 11/30/2008 6:09:20 PM PST by Red Steel
Citizenship Issue on MSNBC Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth.
This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year.
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means. By nature, the child, would be only a US citizen, because both of his parents were US citizens, and NO OTHER NATION, can by law claim him to be under their jurisdiction, at the moment of his birth. That was not the case with Obama. He was, by law, a Citizen of the United Kingdom, the moment he was born, and then, by law, he became a citizen of Kenya on Dec. 12, 1963.
For a more detailed explaination of natural born citizen, see my other related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKN...
Seems you wish to ignore an entirely rational questioning process with truth being the goal. Apparently, you just take what life hands you, gulp it down and go on. Well, perhaps you should respect some folks here that continue to fight the good fight -for YOUR benefit. Cause if you are actually in business, you won’t be for long under Mr. Obama. If you believe he’s on the up-and-up on his background, he’s got a great piece of global warming he’s gonna sell ya.
If you believe “he’s starting a new job and doesn’t have time for this crap”, you’re essentially saying that abiding by the Constitution is crap - lets get on to more important things.
Obama is so internationally ignorant its painful. He’s such a rookie outside our borders perhaps it would behoove him to abide by our laws and not just make his own. Remember - this guy is supposed to know constitutional law. Why do you think he goes to such lengths to subvert it? He knows full well that he’s “dirty” and he’s just hoping and praying (to his higher power) that he can just get past Jan 20. Then he can make almost any law he wants and then......
Your estate(as you put it) is history buddy.
In the words of the US Supreme Court:
The fourteenth amendment of the constitution, in the declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside,' contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only,-birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case [169 U.S. 649, 703] of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens, or by enabling foreigners individually to become citizens by proceedings in the judicial tribunals, as in the ordinary provisions of the naturalization acts.
According to this decision, there could be some question whether a child born overseas, with one or both parents being American citizens, is a natural-born citizen in the meaning of the Constitution. The wording of this decision, in fact, implies that such a child would not be.
However, this decision is from 1898, and later laws and decisions prior to Obama's birth would be relevant.
The decision is quite clear that there are only two types of citizens, those who acquired it at birth (natural-born or native-born, the terms are used interchangeably, with the implication being that natural-born is an older and somewhat archaic term by 1898) and those who acquired citizenship by naturalization.
I was intrigued by the fact that children born overseas to American parents are considered naturalized by act of Congress, and therefore not native-born or natural-born.
The upshot of all this is that if Obama was born in Honolulu, he's a natural-born citizen fully elgible to be president. If he was born outside the US, legitimate questions arise.
The decision makes it very plain that acts of any other sovereign power (Indonesia, Kenya, UK) are utterly irrelevant to a person's standing as a US citizen.
In US vs Wong Kim, the Supreme Court ruled that Wong Kim was a natural-born American citizen.
There were attempts to exclude Chinese born in America. They were rejected.
Wrongo. Read the whole decision. I did.
It uses the terms natural-born and native-born interchangeably. It is also very clear there are only two classes of American citizens.
You exclude a highly relevant section.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...
Please don't descend to quoting out of context.
The "Citizen of the United States" you refer to as a third category is part of the phrase "Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution."
None of them are around anymore, so this phrase has become inoperable due to the passage of time, leaving us with the two classes of citizen.
Abe's mother died in 1818 and his father in 1851.
It is quite likely there were no eyewitnesses to his actual birth living when he became President.
Not that anybody would claim he was smuggled into the backwoods of Kentucky to fool the "natural-born" police. :)
So?,...If he can't produce witnesses then how about a 10$ birth certificate?
The total, utter, and complete lack of witnesses on August 4, 1961 is the most compelling reason to suspect that the Hawaiian birth scenario is a fabrication. Not ONE medical person has come forward. Isn't it extremely odd that nobody wants to bask in the glory of having been present at the birth of supposedly the most "historic" presidential candidate of all time (not to mention the opportunity for lucrative book deals, interviews, etc.)? Zero medical records have been produced. The hospital itself has not been identified. You would think that if Obama knew himself to have really been born in Honolulu, he would be falling all over himself to squash all these horrible rumours about his ineligibility. Instead, he exacerbates the doubt by hiding the one document that could prove his case conclusively.
Until he or his sycophants can explain this illogical behavior, this elephant stays in the room. Obviously, this won't stop his election, but it will taint his legitimacy, and this can effervesce for four years and become an indelible mark against him to be used in 2012.
The reason the they put the Natural Born citizen requirement in the Constitution was to PROTECT this nation from foreign influences. You were given your natural born citizenship through your FATHER who had already pledged his allegiance to the United States and the United States only. It may sound very un PC, but their attitude was it’s us or them. You can’t have both.
I heard on radio Al Frankin might ask democrat Senate to decide his election(I think it takes bothy houses) . He will claim vote suppression. BCC Democrats in house tried to get Senate to overturn 2004 election but they democrats wouldnt go near it(I think they got Barbara Boxer) .
I am an America natural born. I leave this country pregnant and have a child in Kenya or whereever. By my naturalization, my child is american born?
Since Obama has refused to provide witnesses then how about a $10 certificate? That he has teams of lawyers blocking access to this simple document is high suspicious.
As I posted previously, I am in my 60s and there are still several who could testify that they visited my mother and me in the hospital. Relatives and friends could still give the name of the doctor (the same doctor used by many in the family and neighborhood). Some attended my christening etc. This is the sort of history that past presidents have presented.
So?....If Obama can not meet the same standard as every other president then a birth certificate and a few other documents should be sufficient.
Hansel and Gretel also left a trail. Their trail was made of bread crumbs and the animals ate it. Maybe Zeroes handlers have destroyed his paper trail. ;0)
No friend, relative, or neighbor has come forward to say they witnessed the mom bringing home a cute little baby Obama home from the hospital.
Geeze! Hold Obama to the same standard as every other president, otherwise release a few documents.
So forcing verifification of his constitutional eligibility is somehow NOT looking out for the country?
You think at least one person would have come forward by now and said he has. I haven't heard Howie Dean, or any state Attorney General, or the FEC, or ANYONE tell us that he has. The ONLY thing we have is a forged COLB. And that in itself is a felony that should put him behind bars, not in the Oval Office.
“Were not asking anybody to overturn the election.”
Officially, he hasn’t been elected yet. That won’t happen until the Electoral College acts. When is that? Dec. 15, or some time in January?
Anyhow, that would give SCOTUS some wiggle room if they were to act ASAP.