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Update on Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Issue
Right Side News ^ | November 30, 2008

Posted on 11/30/2008 6:09:20 PM PST by Red Steel

Citizenship Issue on MSNBC Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth.

This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means. By nature, the child, would be only a US citizen, because both of his parents were US citizens, and NO OTHER NATION, can by law claim him to be under their jurisdiction, at the moment of his birth. That was not the case with Obama. He was, by law, a Citizen of the United Kingdom, the moment he was born, and then, by law, he became a citizen of Kenya on Dec. 12, 1963.

For a more detailed explaination of natural born citizen, see my other related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKN...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; stbc; thekenyan
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1 posted on 11/30/2008 6:09:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

5-4-3-2-1.....waitng for the naysayers to show up and tell you you’re wasting our efforts.


2 posted on 11/30/2008 6:11:44 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (When homo's can procreate - then they can get married)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’m cheering this on. It might be our salvation from 4 years of BS


3 posted on 11/30/2008 6:13:09 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Red Steel

IF DA BIRTH PLACE IS A LIE, BEING DA PRESIDENT AIN’T GONNA FLY!


4 posted on 11/30/2008 6:13:17 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom IF DA BIRTH PLACE IS A LIE, BEING DA PRESIDENT AIN'T GONNA FLY!)
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To: Red Steel

Just my guess. No judge will overturn the election no matter how this turns out. That being said, have fun with this. Remember how long democrats said GWB was selected? Some held on past 2004.


5 posted on 11/30/2008 6:13:38 PM PST by sickoflibs (McCain asks: "Did you stupid conservatives really believe me? HA-HA-HA, wait til 09")
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To: television is just wrong
I for one think we have a right to know either way.

Untill it is proven one way or another, this can only bring an even more devided Nation.

6 posted on 11/30/2008 6:16:28 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (When homo's can procreate - then they can get married)
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To: sickoflibs
Just my guess. No judge will overturn the election no matter how this turns out.

That's an indictment on our judicial system. They won't follow the law that they swore to uphold, pretty sad.

7 posted on 11/30/2008 6:18:27 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: sickoflibs

So the Constitution gets thrown out because political correctness over-rules it?


8 posted on 11/30/2008 6:19:22 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: sickoflibs

I agree. No matter how compelling a story and regardless of the truth, I can’t see a court overturning the election. (I can wish though...)


9 posted on 11/30/2008 6:20:21 PM PST by tips up
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To: Red Steel
Can you show me where in the Hawaii Revised Statutes it states that a child not born in Hawaii, to parents who are residents of Hawaii, would be certified as being born in Hawaii?

I don't see anything in the HRS section that says a BC shall/may be issued to a child born outside of Hawaii stating (erroneously) that the child was born in Hawaii as opposed to listing the actual place of birth.

That is the piece that is missing here...

10 posted on 11/30/2008 6:20:36 PM PST by KJC1
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To: sickoflibs

We’re not asking anybody to overturn the election. We’re just asking that 0 not be permitted *serve* as POTUS if not natural born.


11 posted on 11/30/2008 6:20:55 PM PST by txhurl (somebody just bought 12 Carrier Battle Groups for 600 million dollars)
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To: clyde260

For later, and BUMP.


12 posted on 11/30/2008 6:22:34 PM PST by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: tips up

If the press could get Nixon out they could do the same for the 0.


13 posted on 11/30/2008 6:24:13 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U
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To: Las Vegas Ron
It's your time and effort.  Waste away.
14 posted on 11/30/2008 6:25:28 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Online internet polls are foolish: Winston Churchill, 1939)
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To: sickoflibs
Remember how long democrats said GWB was selected?

I also remember how we were ridiculed by staying on top of "Rathergate", and that it would never go anywhere.....

You either play the hand you're dealt, or fold.

15 posted on 11/30/2008 6:26:15 PM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

he should not be allowed to take office til he can prove he meets all the requirements.


16 posted on 11/30/2008 6:27:49 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Red Steel
...Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year...so since Obama presents a CLB instead of an actual Birth Ceritficate, the implication is that he wasn't born in Hawaii, because had he really been born there, he would have produced an actual BC.....
17 posted on 11/30/2008 6:30:21 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: txflake
We’re not asking anybody to overturn the election. We’re just asking that 0 not be permitted *serve* as POTUS if not natural born.

Good point. The election between the parties is a done deal but if Zero can't serve we'll get another democrat who can.
18 posted on 11/30/2008 6:31:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for presenting this. This case is beginning to grow legs. I can see Obama being declared ineligible.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


19 posted on 11/30/2008 6:32:33 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: sickoflibs
Just my guess. No judge will overturn the election no matter how this turns out.

I have that fear in my gut, as well, but...

Assuming it's clearly established that he's not a natural-born citizen, exactly HOW would a court go about totally ignoring the constitution, which is exactly what must be done if he's allowed to take office? The rule of law would be truly meaningless in the USA.

MM (in TX)

20 posted on 11/30/2008 6:33:00 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Las Vegas Ron

your wasting your efforts.


21 posted on 11/30/2008 6:34:04 PM PST by redbloodredstate
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To: Red Steel

I guess it doesn’t matter where he was born since his father was a british subject. He could have been born in times square and still not be natural born.


22 posted on 11/30/2008 6:34:55 PM PST by Diggity
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To: capt. norm
"You either play the hand you're dealt, or fold."   You left out the third possibility, or lose.  All the bravado in the world doesn't deal you a winning hand.
23 posted on 11/30/2008 6:36:47 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Online internet polls are foolish: Winston Churchill, 1939)
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To: Ballygrl

"If you need an original document 'lost',
brown-bag us; your 'pardon' is no extra cost."

24 posted on 11/30/2008 6:41:07 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Okay, you are not wasting your efforts but just pathing the path for a President Biden.


25 posted on 11/30/2008 6:41:39 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Red Steel
Good article called Defining Natural-Born Citizen by P.A. Madison on November 18, 2008. Some excerpts:
The adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment obviously affects how we view natural-born citizens because for the first time there is a national rule of who may by birth be a citizen of the United States. Who may be born citizens of the States is conditional upon being born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. The legislative definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was defined as “Not owing allegiance to anybody else.”

One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.

26 posted on 11/30/2008 6:41:52 PM PST by christie
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To: Red Steel
Even the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands does not accept a accept a computer generated printout of the Certification of Live Birth as proof for its eligibility requirements to apply for a Hawaiian home lands homestead lease. From its web site:
Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

Department of Hawaiian Home Lands

Link originally found in article from the American Thinker.

27 posted on 11/30/2008 6:43:15 PM PST by christie
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To: Intolerant in NJ; Calpernia; null and void; Chief Engineer
Obama is not the first non-Hawaiian born revolutionary to have a false Hawaiian Birth Certificate. Chinese revolutionary "(wikipedia) Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province", that's in China. Yet he managed to acquire a valid Hawaiian birth certificate stating he was born in Maui.
COULD Sun Yat-sen, revered by both the People's Republic of China and the Nationalist government on Taiwan, be a son of Hawaii?

There's a birth certificate that says so, but even Sun renounced it in due course. It did, however, help him circumvent the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which became applicable when Hawaii was annexed to the United States in 1898.

The certificate, issued by the Territory of Hawaii in March 1904, declared he had been born in Kula, Maui, where his relatives lived. As a "citizen of Hawaii" he could travel to the U.S. mainland in the early 1900s to rally both support and funds for his revolutionary efforts. Some Chinese friends attested to the birth.

His Punahou teacher, Francis Damon, certified to his good character but did not swear on the issue of birth. Damon is the grandfather of attorney Frank Damon, a major present-day supporter of Punahou.

Sun spent only a semester at Punahou in 1883. He spoke no word of English when he arrived in Hawaii in 1879 at age 13, but four years later received an English grammar prize at Iolani School, personally presented by King Kalakaua.

Sun was a notable first among Asian revolutionaries who used Hawaii to gather strength for their challenges to tyranny back home.

Honolulu Star-Bulletin, March 16, 2000
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/03/16/editorial/smyser.html


28 posted on 11/30/2008 6:43:23 PM PST by bvw
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To: LucyT

See linked post above.


29 posted on 11/30/2008 6:43:50 PM PST by bvw
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To: Diggity
I guess it doesn’t matter where he was born since his father was a british subject. He could have been born in times square and still not be natural born.

Does that mean that we can also count out Bobby Jindal?

30 posted on 11/30/2008 6:44:16 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Red Steel
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31 posted on 11/30/2008 6:44:38 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: capt. norm
Not one freeper who thinks this is a waste of time has responded to my particular points, but I'll keep trying. I'm not happy that Obama won, but I know that he did win and I accept that he will be our President in January. Further, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen of the United States. In spite of all that, I think it is important that someone who is going to be President prove he meets the requirements that constitution states must be met to be president. Therefore, Obama should publish a copy of his actual birth certificate. If Obama is never compelled to do this, I will still think it was important that a few citizens tried to make him to do so; if Obama is compelled to does this and it turns out he is a natural born citizen, I'll still think it was right he was forced to; and, finally, if Obama turns out not to be a natural born citizen and we end up with Biden the Buffoon for President, I'll still think it was right people tried to force Obama to prove he was a natural born citizen. This isn't about Obama himself or disappointment that McCain lost or anything besides wanting to defend our constitution.
32 posted on 11/30/2008 6:45:08 PM PST by utahagen
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To: sickoflibs

But he hasn’t been elected yet.


33 posted on 11/30/2008 6:45:52 PM PST by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: tips up

But if it can be proven that he does not qualify, his presidency will be totally invalid. Surely the Supremes can see this and know that they must act...IF it is proven I don’t see how they can avoid acting even though it will probably bring about civil war.


34 posted on 11/30/2008 6:46:28 PM PST by Dscott_FR (Right Wing Extremist and proud of it!!)
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To: trumandogz
I don't want President Biden, but we must defend the constitution. People in the U.S. must submit verified copies of their birth certificates for less important jobs than President. My brother-in-law served in the military and still had to submit to extensive clearances to be eligible for a government job. Why should Obama or anybody else do less to prove he's eligible to be President? We should not be deterred because we fear the alternative to Obama. (By the way, I would bet all my money that Obama was born in Hawaii.)
35 posted on 11/30/2008 6:49:49 PM PST by utahagen
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To: Red Steel

It would thrill me beyond words should the chosen one be declared ineligble but no judge or justice in this country is going to disqualify the first person to become President through affirmative action.


36 posted on 11/30/2008 6:52:22 PM PST by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

The media hated Nixon so they had no problem getting him.

They love Obama though.


37 posted on 11/30/2008 6:53:57 PM PST by tips up
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To: bvw; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; Polarik; ...

Thank you, bvw. Interesting post. Hope you don’t mind, here’s a clickable link.

Honolulu Star-Bulletin, March 16, 2000
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/03/16/editorial/smyser.html

Ping.


38 posted on 11/30/2008 6:54:20 PM PST by LucyT (.......................Don't go wobbly now.......................)
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To: trumandogz
Does that mean that we can also count out Bobby Jindal?

It would.

39 posted on 11/30/2008 6:54:21 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: Dscott_FR

Big IF. One can wish though...


40 posted on 11/30/2008 6:54:38 PM PST by tips up
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To: txflake; tips up; Ballygrl; Red Steel; FrdmLvr

I don’t mean to spoil the party, it’s fun stuff. Enjoy! keep digging.

The secret to beating Obama will be strategy. Democrats tried the court route for many issues and very few of those worked(mostly terrorist rights). It was Pelosi’s carefully controlled constant ‘attack GWB on issues/news events’ strategy. ‘Carefully controlled’ meaning keeping the ‘impeach Bush’ crowd :Sheenan, Conyers, Dennis Kucinich down.

I am dying to see elected Republicans start thinking politically. Dems do everything political, but well. Our side seems clueless.


41 posted on 11/30/2008 6:54:38 PM PST by sickoflibs (McCain asks: "Did you stupid conservatives really believe me? HA-HA-HA, wait til 09")
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To: All
There are many parallels between Dr. Sun Yat Sen and Obama, yet one glaring thing stands-out. Dr. Sun Yat Sen worked very hard all his life for others, becoming a medical doctor, then taking up the cause of Liberty, as he understood it. Sun Yat Sen was a full man, coming close to our own George Washington. Still, even he fell prey to Marx's ideologies and that fondness for the despotic politics and economics of Marx created a chasm that today splits China into two countries.

Sun Yat Sen was a full man, whose live was lived for others. Obama is an empty suit, all vanity and charm, whose actions are all for himself.

Obama, though, has a virtue -- he is honest in what motivates him. He always says "I will decide ...", "What I think is best ...", "What I will do ...", "My ideas will ..."

Obama is deceptive, but not in in speaking to his "I"-ness.

42 posted on 11/30/2008 6:54:52 PM PST by bvw
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To: utahagen

I am an American who was born overseas and that fact has presented bureaucratic problems for me throughout my life. Everything from getting into school, to being tossed in an INS holding tank to being shaken down at customs at US Airports at least 50 times.

If Obama were born in Kenya he would have had similar problems and those problems would have left a paper trail.


43 posted on 11/30/2008 6:56:01 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: LucyT

Yeah, well, I guess openness can’t be avoided. Hooray for that clickable link, and what it might draw here.


44 posted on 11/30/2008 6:57:33 PM PST by bvw
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To: sickoflibs
Many Republicans seem to like being the minority party. Less responsibility and accountability that way. Most don't have the cajones to fight the Dems on their turf. Like a wrestler or boxer trying to take on a street fighter with a knife.
45 posted on 11/30/2008 6:57:49 PM PST by tips up
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To: bvw

Has anyone seen these sites today?

http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/10/23/obamas-citizenship-and-survival-of-the-fittest/

and/or

http://snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

The factcheck site is dated 10/23/08 but the page data shows that it was updated today at about 6:00 GMT.

I think they are starting to tapdance around the issue, as I don’t remember these two mouthpieces of Camp Obama addressing the issues of Natural Born Citizenship and renunciation/affirmation of citizenship upon returning from Indonesia...all hypothetical analysis, of course /s.

By starting to spin on these issues, I can’t help but think that this issue is starting to worry them.


46 posted on 11/30/2008 6:58:03 PM PST by Shady Ray
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To: redbloodredstate
your wasting your efforts.

Welcome to FR.

your wasting is a sad thing try to eat a little more have some leftover turkey.

47 posted on 11/30/2008 6:59:58 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: utahagen
Not one freeper who thinks this is a waste of time has responded to my particular points, but I'll keep trying.

[snip]

I think it is important that someone who is going to be President prove he meets the requirements that constitution states must be met to be president.

Thank you, utahagen. A lot of people on this forum agree with you.

48 posted on 11/30/2008 7:00:53 PM PST by LucyT (.......................Don't go wobbly now.......................)
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To: mplsconservative

wish i could, i polished it all off yesterday.


49 posted on 11/30/2008 7:01:31 PM PST by redbloodredstate
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Let this birth certificate thing go! Let’s beat him on the issues! /s


50 posted on 11/30/2008 7:01:37 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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