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Beware Birth Certificate Hopefuls - You are in for quite a suprise (vanity)

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian

This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.

First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.

Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.

Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.

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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.


TOPICS: US: Hawaii; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; constitution; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; whathospital
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To: IrishPennant

If this is an arrogance issue by Zer0, which I do not think it is, then he is not fit to be the leader of my local trash collection company, much less the country:

And by the way, maybe when he does show his BC, he can also take the time to show WE THE PEOPLE the following:

Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Not Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released - Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None (Locked up to prohibit public view
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost (All other Illinois state senators’ records are intact)
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

<<Fairly comprehensive list! Basically, he has released NOTHING. Does anyone know if past Presidents or Presidential Candidates released most of this information?


351 posted on 12/03/2008 1:02:12 PM PST by bushwon
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To: Myrrh123

Well, 0bama’s parents could not have been legally married as 0bama’s father was already legally married to another woman. Therefore, even if 0bama’s mother did ‘marry’ 0bama’s father, it was not a valid marriage. 0bama could be embarrassed by this, but many people, myself included, already have concluded he is technically a bastard. If 0bama is embarrassed by this, he is too thin skinned. Facts are facts.


352 posted on 12/03/2008 1:06:55 PM PST by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: Drew68

aRINOld Schwarzenegger is no second class citizen. He’s the governator of one of the most powerful states in the union. But he is ineligible to be president.

If you have trouble with the definition of “natural born citizen” in the constitution, file a lawsuit like Donofrio did and let yourself be heard. Otherwise, since you’re on a conservative constitutionalist website, take your whining & liberal redefining elsewhere.


353 posted on 12/03/2008 1:08:41 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: texas12joe

It WAS asked before the November “election”. Besides, technically he still has NOT been elected (12/15 election). So people can still keep asking.


354 posted on 12/03/2008 1:10:18 PM PST by PghBaldy (I shall call him President Little Squirt...)
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To: Kevmo
aRINOld Schwarzenegger is no second class citizen. He’s the governator of one of the most powerful states in the union. But he is ineligible to be president.

Arnold wasn't born in America. My children, like myself, were.

If you have trouble with the definition of “natural born citizen” in the constitution, file a lawsuit like Donofrio did and let yourself be heard. Otherwise, since you’re on a conservative constitutionalist website, take your whining & liberal redefining elsewhere.

As far as I can tell, it is Donofrio who is redefining the constitution by asking the judges to create a new class of American-born "sub"-citizens that are not equal to other American-born citizens.

You and the rest of Donofrio's followers have let your hatred of Obama blind you to his ugly argument.

I'm no fan of Obama but I'm not going to stand by and support the trampling of our Constitution in an effort to keep him from the White House. I fail to see where this promotes conservative, constitutionalist values.

355 posted on 12/03/2008 1:16:59 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“that since they were born in what became the United States, they were naturally born there.”

Natural born status is referring to whether or not the individual is “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” Obviously our founders were all born subject to the King of England regardless that they were born in the colony, now state of Virginia, or New York, etc. The loop hole was for all of them.

When Obama was born, whether in Hawaii or Kenya, he was legally, at the time of his birth, subject to the jurisdiction of both the UK (through his father) and the US (through his mother). Dual allegiances are not allowed for POTUS.


356 posted on 12/03/2008 1:18:41 PM PST by rswan6574
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To: rgboomers

Well, he does have 2 daughters to think of who are now in the public eye. Perhaps it would not do to have to explain “bastardism” to his young ones? Maybe it’s not himself he’s thinking of but those girls?


357 posted on 12/03/2008 1:20:01 PM PST by Myrrh123
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To: Drew68

As far as I can tell, it is Donofrio who is redefining the constitution
***Then file that lawsuit. If it gets joined by 4 other lawsuits on the Supreme Court docket with the same purpose, I will send $1000 to your case in assistance of your effort.


358 posted on 12/03/2008 1:24:53 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Myrrh123

Do we really want a president that is willing to lie to the entire country to protect the innocence of his children?


359 posted on 12/03/2008 1:26:20 PM PST by usmcobra (Go ask Obama for your change, and don't bug me!)
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To: texas12joe; Sparko; LucyT; All

Your vote? LOL

You just love to HATE President Bush; you just fought the urge to call him “shrub” to please your buddies on this site who love this lingo?

You 0ba-mites are the Derail Detail, right?

In one of your other posts, you mentioned that we’ll call you MOONBATS. Guess what, no, because you’re mild, little zinger here and there, no big fights featuring chat room swearing because you’ll be kicked out.

YOUR MAIN TASK: derail the obama BC crowd.

We’ll leave it to the SCOTUS, for the time being........


360 posted on 12/03/2008 1:26:42 PM PST by melancholy
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To: rswan6574
"..it may not have anything to do with his eligibility for POTUS."

Especially not after his corination..er..inauguration.

Nothing will matter after that day.

361 posted on 12/03/2008 1:28:25 PM PST by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: rswan6574

“When Obama was born, whether in Hawaii or Kenya, he was legally, at the time of his birth, subject to the jurisdiction of both the UK (through his father) and the US (through his mother). Dual allegiances are not allowed for POTUS”.

I am not sure this is true as we’ve had 6 other presidents with immigrant or foreign born parents? Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

Would this interpretation de-legitimize Jackson, Jefferson, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson and Hoover?


362 posted on 12/03/2008 1:32:51 PM PST by Myrrh123
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mark


363 posted on 12/03/2008 1:37:26 PM PST by eureka! (Must not let the election continue to depress me so much.)
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To: usmcobra

I wasnt commenting on the place of birth, but the marital status of his parents. I was speculating as to why there may be reluctance to divulge the “long form” birth certificate rather than the COLB.

It is interesting as if I remember correctly, the old BC that I had, had my mother’s maiden name listed instead of her married name, but I do know that they were married 4 years before my birth because I have a copy of their marriage license in an estate planning portfolio. curious.


364 posted on 12/03/2008 1:38:53 PM PST by Myrrh123
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To: Drew68
As far as I can tell, it is Donofrio who is redefining the constitution by asking the judges to create a new class of American-born "sub"-citizens that are not equal to other American-born citizens.

I think you are mistaken, he isn't causing a new class of citizens to be created, such a class or sub class already exists and exists because the founding fathers wanted it to, what he is asking is for that class to be defined by law according to the constitution.

Our founding fathers created such a class to protect our government from those whose loyalty to this country was questionable or at least divided, and certainly in doing so they did create a separate class of citizenship however those citizens that fall into this class have all citizen rights and privileges as all others save for one.....They cannot be president.

365 posted on 12/03/2008 1:44:20 PM PST by usmcobra (Go ask Obama for your change, and don't bug me!)
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To: MHGinTN

“Obama has the burden to show his eligibilty thus allowing others to make the determination”

I agree. Someone should verify eligibility. I think that is what Leo Donofrio’s case is at the core. The Sec. of State was certifying eligibility without ever checking it.

“Democrats, being a criminal enterprise,”

I wonder, if they are complicit in a scam to get an ineligible candidate elected (either Obama or Richardson) strictly for the sake of obtaining power, can they be charged under RICO statutes? Or at least conspiracy to commit fraud!


366 posted on 12/03/2008 1:47:01 PM PST by rswan6574
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To: Myrrh123

I know exactly what you meant, and if you are right and he is hiding the fact that he is a bastard by lying to the entire country for the sake of his children, what else would he be willing to lie about for the sake of emotional convenience?

Certainly The entire country deserves better then a man that will lie or hide those things in his life story he finds embarrassing to his children.


367 posted on 12/03/2008 1:50:42 PM PST by usmcobra (Go ask Obama for your change, and don't bug me!)
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To: IrishPennant

Thank you FRiend!

LLS


368 posted on 12/03/2008 1:55:39 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! so sue me!)
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To: Scythian
Geeeeee........when will the peasantry finally realize and accept their place?

So far as the puppeteers hold sway, they don't have to do anything they don't want to do. 0bama could kill someone and still be sworn in........it's worked for Teddy, hasn't it.

369 posted on 12/03/2008 2:00:32 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: rgboomers

In 1961 the law was plain, that a fourteen year old must then live in the U.S. for five years before she is able to pass citizenship to her child. What the law reads now is not the issue.


370 posted on 12/03/2008 2:02:52 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Get your mind out of the gutter or be gone. Did you notice that your little obscenity was deleted by the mod? Take a hint, fool.


371 posted on 12/03/2008 2:07:02 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Myrrh123

Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson were both citizens of the United States “at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” so they’re grandfathered in.

If the foreign born parents, of the rest that you mention, were “naturalized citizens” prior to their birth then they’d be “natural born citizens” as both parents were US citizens.

Note congress only has power to “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I , Sec. 8 they have no power to redefine the term “natural born citizen”. That’s the courts job.


372 posted on 12/03/2008 2:08:28 PM PST by rswan6574
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To: LibLieSlayer
Well...it seems Texas12Joe will no longer be with us - I see his account has been suspended Photobucket
373 posted on 12/03/2008 2:08:56 PM PST by IrishPennant (He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.)
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To: rgboomers

If he is a child of an unwed mother that’s not his fault and is irrelevant to his being sworn in as president.


374 posted on 12/03/2008 2:09:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

You are the one suggesting that anyone who disagrees with you are performing the obscene acts. Suggest it again and I will chat with the moderators about your habit of using that course and disgusting insult.


375 posted on 12/03/2008 2:09:56 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Do you always don your obamanoid kneepads when you genuflect before him?
377 posted on 12/03/2008 2:17:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Anitius Severinus Boethius

ping ... there’s a whine for your attention.


378 posted on 12/03/2008 2:18:45 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: usmcobra

I know it may be annoying, but I have to keep going back to precedent. What happens to the legacies and presidencies of our previous presidents who had foreign born parents? I do not think that we can illegitimize their presidencies? It seems to me that if that was our founders “intent”, Andrew Jackson would’ve never been president.


379 posted on 12/03/2008 2:28:33 PM PST by Myrrh123
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To: usmcobra

I wasnt implying that he is lying. I was pondering if he was relying on the COLB, which apparently has been accepted legally, rather than to submit the “long form” because of information that might be sensitive to his family, but not indicative of lack of citizenship. It was just a supposition. I do not think he can “hide” the fact that he is illegitimate to the adult world, but why subject the little girls to unseemly stories about their heritage before the age of understanding? Sorry, but I’m for protecting their innocence. Their parents seem to be setting a positive example for family and the way things should be. Marriage, then children, then parental involvement. I cannot see that the Obamas present themselves as anything but a strong family unit even in the face of his personal upbringing, young and confused mother, and absent-T fathers.


380 posted on 12/03/2008 2:28:33 PM PST by Myrrh123
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To: Scythian
Yet President Nixon was hounded from office because he tried to help cover up a third rate burglary. President Kennedy had knowledge of a conspiracy to assassinate a foreign head of state - he wisely counseled against it. He gets a pass though.

If the President-elect happens to tell lies on a legal document- or has dealt in lies, I wonder what will be the attitude of the MSM? I understand on his application to the legal system as lawyer, he stated he was not known by any name other than Barack Hossain Obama. Just a minor detail though, I will concede.

I can hardly wait for those two men, Woodward and Bernstein to get going (sarcasm).

381 posted on 12/03/2008 2:31:22 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
Correction to my above post.

Barack Hussein Obama.

382 posted on 12/03/2008 2:34:24 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Ouderkirk; LucyT
With a constitutional convention they could do as was done in 1787 and generate a completely new document. Get it ratified by 3/4's of the states (of which they have 2/3's already) and poof, health care is a right, guns are illegal, presidential term limits are gone, "natural born" is gone and "naturalized" is in for president, and on and on. That's the real goal here...the crisis is the means to the goal.

I think you're right. IMO the Constitution was always the target.

383 posted on 12/03/2008 2:35:49 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: texas12joe

On the lighter side..that million bucks is helping the economy..he did want to help didn’t he.


384 posted on 12/03/2008 2:50:21 PM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Back off now. The moderators will not take your side in this debate.


385 posted on 12/03/2008 2:52:49 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: MHGinTN

We’re not taking your side either. Knock it off with the feuding.


386 posted on 12/03/2008 2:58:10 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: MHGinTN; LucyT

“...Ted makes the case so much better than I have! And with facts I was aware of, such as the East African Muslim slaving connection to the Luo tribe...”

http://www.popmodal.com/video/99/Ted-Hayes-Statement-on-Barack-Obama

Ted almost makes me cry. He’s an American, obama is an imposter.


387 posted on 12/03/2008 3:02:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: Admin Moderator

I haven’t asked for your protection, I was merely helping the poster get your attention. When I reference ‘obamamnoid kneepads’ I am not nor would I be referring to a sexual behavior. I am referring to equipment used in worshipping the obamamessiah.


388 posted on 12/03/2008 3:05:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: mnehrling

Here is a fourth. Even if Obama was found to be born in Kenya to an American Mother, I would bet that Pelosi would call a special session and pass an emergency bill to change the four year residency requirement for one parent, retroactively, thus, recognizing Obama’s citizenship by way of his mother.

***

Can’t do that - you have to amend the Constitution ... it takes a while ...

Get back to me in say ... 7 years !


389 posted on 12/03/2008 3:10:34 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56
Can’t do that - you have to amend the Constitution ... it takes a while .

Already posted a couple of times, but no you wouldn't. The Constitution states that a person must be a natural born citizen, but it doesn't define what a natural born citizen is. Article 1, section 8 authorizes congress to create those definitions and standards. They have changed many times in our history. Post #174 is the current legal definition and standards of 'natural born citizen'. No amendment needed

390 posted on 12/03/2008 3:23:25 PM PST by mnehring
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To: texas12joe

This account has been banned or suspended.


Okay

Another CoLB Troll bites the dust.


391 posted on 12/03/2008 3:37:46 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: IrishPennant
Breaks my lil’ ole pea pickin’ heart! :-)

LLS

392 posted on 12/03/2008 3:40:13 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! so sue me!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! so sue me!”
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Love IT!!! Need that on a bumper sticker... :)


393 posted on 12/03/2008 3:44:17 PM PST by montesquieu
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To: montesquieu

Thank you and Merry CHRISTmas FRiend!

LLS


394 posted on 12/03/2008 3:46:01 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! so sue me!)
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To: montesquieu

Happy Holy-Days.


395 posted on 12/03/2008 3:46:16 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

We must start a new campaign to say Merry Christmas after every post on FR. Thnx Now where’s the birth certificate?!!

~ Merry Christmas!!!!!!


396 posted on 12/03/2008 3:53:31 PM PST by montesquieu
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To: Scythian
It certainly is quite a mystery.

Nobody's really gotten to the bottom of the evidence that Obama was born elsewhere either.

Here's what I was able to find out earlier:

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There may be less in this than people thought. Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother, is 85 years old and doesn't speak English.

She said he was a "son of the village," or that's how the BBC translated it. It's been argued that she said "native of the village," meaning he was born there. That's possible, I guess, but how many people have gotten to the bottom of this? How many people have the language skill to figure it out?

One youtube clip claimed that finding the root "nat" for "to be born" in what she said showed how simple the translation was. But her language doesn't have Latin or Indo-European roots. And even in English we tend to through words like "native" around loosely.

On another clip, the interviewer is the one concerned with establishing that Barack Obama was born in Mombassa. Sarah Obama doesn't have much to say about it. You could argue that family members shut her up or that the translator wouldn't translate, but it's also possible that she really didn't have much or anything to say about where Obama (who isn't actually her grandson, but her late husband's, presumably) was born.

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So all that is pretty shaky. Obama is a "son of Chicago" as well, but that doesn't mean he was born there. Where is this supposed birth certificate from Mombassa? Can we see that?

If Sarah Obama said that Barack was born in the village it would be shaky evidence -- so many of the things she's said look more mythological than factual -- but where's the hard proof that that's what she actually said? What's the real evidence at the bottom of all the speculation?

Still, the fact that Obama doesn't release his papers can only feed speculation that he has something to hide.

397 posted on 12/03/2008 3:57:17 PM PST by x
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To: Vigilanteman

“The larger possibility is that Oba Mao has a valid certificate and just wants to prove he is bigger than the constitution by refusing to show it.”

My coworker insists this is what’s going on. It’s all about power - not the birth certificate. As long as he can ignore the issue, he gains more power. If it gets to a point where it reaches a frenzy, he will produce it and we will all be sent to our respective corners by the media/blogosphere.


398 posted on 12/03/2008 3:57:59 PM PST by JavaJumpy
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To: Myrrh123
Chester Alan Arthur was the son of Irish born preacher William Arthur and Vermont born Malvina Stone Arthur. Most official references list him as having been born in Fairfield in Franklin County, Vermont on October 5, 1829. However, Arthur sometimes claimed to have been born in 1830 (the date is on his grave inscription and occurs in some reference works). His father had initially migrated to Dunham, Quebec, Canada, where he and his wife at one point owned a farm about 80 miles (129 km) north of the U.S. border.

There has long been speculation that the future president was actually born in Canada and that the family moved to Fairfield later. Given a lack of official documentation and the seeming confusion about the year of Arthur's birth, historians have been unable to rule this possibility out. If Arthur had been born in Canada, he would not have been a "natural-born citizen" and would therefore have been constitutionally ineligible to serve as vice president or president. Some of his opponents circulated the Canada rumor during the 1880 election, but they could not prove it, and no proof has emerged since.

The more things change ...

399 posted on 12/03/2008 4:01:45 PM PST by x
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To: x

I wonder if there was a lawsuit filed against Chester Alan Arthur regarding his eligibility? It would serve as a precedent.


400 posted on 12/03/2008 4:22:24 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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