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An Ugly Attack on Mormons
article.nationalreview.com ^ | December 3, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804

An Ugly Attack on Mormons

The easiest targets for an organized campaign against religious freedom of conscience.

By Jonah Goldberg

Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife’s purse and then the man’s wallet for any cash. Cackling, they smash the daughter’s piggy bank and pinch every penny. “We need it for the Wall Street bailout!” they exclaim.

No? Maybe you saw the one with the two swarthy Muslims who knock on the door of a nice Jewish family and then blow themselves up?

No? Well, then surely you saw the TV ad in which two smarmy Mormon missionaries knock on the door of an attractive lesbian couple. “Hi, we’re from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!” says the blond one with a toothy smile. “We’re here to take away your rights.” The Mormon zealots yank the couple’s wedding rings from their fingers and then tear up their marriage license.

As the thugs leave, one says to the other, “That was too easy.” His smirking comrade replies, “Yeah, what should we ban next?” The voice-over implores viewers: “Say no to a church taking over your government.”

Obviously, the first two ads are fictional because no one would dare run such anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim attacks.

The third ad, however, was real. It was broadcast throughout California on Election Day as part of the effort to rally opposition to Proposition 8, the initiative that successfully repealed the right to same-sex marriage in the state.

What was the reaction to the ad? Widespread condemnation? Scorn? Rebuke? Tepid criticism?

Nope.

The Los Angeles Times, a principled opponent of Proposition 8, ran an editorial lamenting that the “hard-hitting commercial” was too little, too late.

(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: christians; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; ldschurch; mormon; mormons; prop8; samesexmarriage
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To: broncobilly
Is Neoplatonic realism, concepts not found in the Bible, that important?

Doctrines & Covenants - not found in the Bible; are THEY important?

151 posted on 12/03/2008 11:31:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
“Heretic”, tho’, personalizes the term. “Heretic” is a pejorative name and a label. If you called me a “heretic” I would be deeply offended. If I called you a “heretic” you would be deeply offended — and rightly so. Don’t mince with words! You know jolly well it isn’t a nice thing to call anyone.

I'm not mincing with words! I'm not going to dance around the fact that Mormonism is false with obtuse circumlocutions. Language should be clear and direct. If the word heresy is offensive then the truth is offensive.

I'm not offended by the fact that Mormons think I'm a heretic. I'm not offended by the fact that Muslims think I'm an infidel. I'm not offended by the fact that atheists think I'm deluded for believing in any type of a higher power.

Praise God that He found you. Now, as you are the Prodigal Son, surely you should know better. Had Christians gone out of their way to label you as a “Wicked Dam’ned Unrepentent Sinner Wallowing in Sin” (as all atheists are) how likely would you have been to want to become a Christian?

The world hates righteousness, and when I was a part of the world I hated righteousness too.

152 posted on 12/03/2008 11:31:22 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: SJackson

Good point.


153 posted on 12/03/2008 11:31:26 AM PST by acipher
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To: colorcountry
Up is down, down is up - topsy-turvy thinking right there!


 
 
 

 

 
 
 
Welcome folks, to our daily session of Theological discussions about Mormonism: Is it Christian?
 
 
 
 
 
 
Feel free to enter the talks at any time.
 
If you get dizzy, feel free to leave at any point.
 
All points are valid;
and, all points will be discussed.

154 posted on 12/03/2008 11:32:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Can you please clarify? I don’t understand your post.


155 posted on 12/03/2008 11:32:56 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Jibaholic
Just read the Gospel of John.

We have no need to read it; for our Teachers tell us what it means!

--MormonDude(I got almost straight A's in class!)

156 posted on 12/03/2008 11:33:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“Let’s not hijack the thread on to mormon doctrine.

The origional add was false and it was not ONLY mormons who voted for Prop 8 but many Christians and non Christians who knew homo marriage was just wrong. After all, 40 years ago marriage was declared unnecessary if you truly loved someone. Living together was all that was needed. The Marriage license was just a piece of paper.

Now marriage is the most important thing a person can do...but only if you are gay!”

you nailed it.
This really shouldn’t be about doctrine - this is about a right to vote one’s conscience.

How many people here have REALLY had a visit from the LDS like this?

I’ve had several visits. I debated with them. I didn’t like what they told me, and they didn’t like what I told them.
But you wouldn’t meet a more polite bunch of people, and they never stated they wanted to take away anyone’s rights!

What the gays really want is for churches to be declared “hate” organizations and shut down.

What is the purpose of the ad? They don’t think mormons should have been able to vote down prop 8?
Really?

This is crazy.


157 posted on 12/03/2008 11:34:06 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Elsie

The bible is important because it documents the word of God and his dealings with man.

I seriously doubt Neoplatonic realism stems from God.

[If true] then the Doctrines & Covenants also documents the word of God and his dealings with man, just much more recently.

Its easy to see the importance.


158 posted on 12/03/2008 11:34:24 AM PST by acipher
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To: DieHard the Hunter

” have no idea what Mormon thought on that is, as I am not a Mormon. There are dozens of ‘em on the FRee Republic tho’, perhaps one will enlighten us.”

Well, given that the Mormon Temple Ritual (at least until its recent changes) had a protestant minister acting the fool-for-pay for the Devil, I think I have a hunch.

Here:

http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormcr1.htm


159 posted on 12/03/2008 11:35:06 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: netmilsmom
What you have given is the Apostles Creed. Then there is the Nicene Creed. And finally there is the Athanasian Creed. The Nicene Creed uses the “one substance” statement that is elaborated (one in three and three in one) in the Athanasian Creed. I think anathemas were in the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds.
160 posted on 12/03/2008 11:35:21 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: DieHard the Hunter
If you believe calling Mormons ugly names helps you in your Christian walk, then best of luck to you.

HMmmm...

It seemed to work out for Joseph Smith.

Oh; wait - he got himself killed.

Forget what I just typed.

161 posted on 12/03/2008 11:35:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Mormons do not call other Christians non-Cristians if the do not believe in the D&C. Understand the difference?


162 posted on 12/03/2008 11:37:24 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: DieHard the Hunter
If you believe calling Mormons ugly names helps you in your Christian walk, then best of luck to you.

HMmmm...

It seemed to work out for Jesus...


 
Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23
 
 1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
 2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
 3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
 4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
 5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
 6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
 7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
 8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
 9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." 
 


Oh; wait - he got himself killed.

Forget what I just typed.

163 posted on 12/03/2008 11:38:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Classic.


164 posted on 12/03/2008 11:38:41 AM PST by Cathy
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To: broncobilly

You are correct. I commend you for making an excellent point. However, we both agree that the Gospel of John makes clear the divinity of Christ. Arianism and other faiths that reject the divinity of Christ are heretical. That includes Mormonism.


165 posted on 12/03/2008 11:38:53 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: colorcountry

>>And the Catholic Church is not “bashing” Mormonism by saying so, is it?<<

Well, I’m not seeing the Vatican sending any Bishops to the Mormons to tell them so. When we get around to that, we can talk about “bashing”.


166 posted on 12/03/2008 11:39:25 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Elsie

Mormons do not interpret those versus the way you do. Those verses, according to Mormon thought, are not interpreted to mean Mormons vs. all others. If you knew anything very much about Mormonism you would know that.


167 posted on 12/03/2008 11:40:54 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: lady lawyer

****I would much rather have my grandchildren being raised around people who adhere to other religions that maintain decent standards — provided they aren’t badmouthing my religion ***

You should have seen some of the hollering and verbal jousting going on the school buses years ago between the LDS and the RLDS kids! (”Were right!” “No, WE are right!”)
Others just sat back and watched them go at it!


168 posted on 12/03/2008 11:41:09 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: broncobilly

No, this is the Apostle’s Creed.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;

He descended into hell. [See Calvin]

The third day He arose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.

Amen.

Catholics say that at the beginning of the Rosary.


169 posted on 12/03/2008 11:41:59 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
Well, I’m not seeing the Vatican sending any Bishops to the Mormons to tell them so. When we get around to that, we can talk about “bashing”.

But the Mormons send plenty of Elders around to tell you about the invalidity of your baptism, so I guess by your formula it is the Mormons who are guilty of "bashing."

For now I will leave this discussion with you. I've diverted the thread enough.

170 posted on 12/03/2008 11:42:57 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: FormerLib

I agree that going after the Mormons for Prop 8 is ridiculous. If the gay lobby had any guts it would go after the Catholic Church and the black churches, both of which probably had at least as much to do with its passage as the Mormons did, but they go after the Mormons because Mormons are a much weaker and easier to target minority group.

Kind of ironic that a minority group (gays) that likes to consider itself persecuted would focus its attacks on another minority group, but hey...


171 posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:17 AM PST by Arguendo
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To: broncobilly
Actually, the Nicene Creed does say you “must believe.”
It says unless you believe it you cannot be saved, but will perish everlatingly.
 
Oh??
 
It appears you are mistaken:
 
 

Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God,
light from light
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father,
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the scriptures;
he ascended into Heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father:
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son.]*
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins,
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.


172 posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SJackson

>>Then we could discuss the clearly bigoted ad, rather than argue about the perceived shortcomings of the victim<<

The voice of reason has entered the thread. Thank you, my FRiend!


173 posted on 12/03/2008 11:44:19 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Jibaholic
I provided the sin, God provided the grace that brought me back to Him.

You sound an awful lot like me!

174 posted on 12/03/2008 11:44:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Scotswife
The origional add was false and it was not ONLY mormons who voted for Prop 8 but many Christians and non Christians who knew homo marriage was just wrong.

That's true, but the ad singles out Mormons as an organization devoted to depriving Americans of their rights, in fact a Church bent on taking over the government. Envious of the Jewish takeover of the banking system and media I suppose. Any station running that ad should be presumed to be comfortable running overt antisemitic or racist ads as well. When the opportunity arises, of course.

175 posted on 12/03/2008 11:44:32 AM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: MeanWestTexan

“Interesting”. I wonder what Joseph Smith’s lodge had to say about this.


176 posted on 12/03/2008 11:44:40 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Elsie

***”How many divisions does San Francisco have?” ***

If an AIDS infected homo attacks you and you have to shoot him can you be arrested for biological causing warefare because he bled out in the street?

Inquiring minds want to know!


177 posted on 12/03/2008 11:44:46 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: netmilsmom
“It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation.

To WHICH do 'these' refer?

178 posted on 12/03/2008 11:46:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GVnana

Its not just here at FR.


179 posted on 12/03/2008 11:46:59 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I think we ought to leave it to God to decide who is/isn't "Christian" and focus instead on working out our own Salvation with trembling and fear.

Okay, it might be a little strong to say that Mormons cannot be Christians, but I have no trouble calling Mormonism a heresy. Yes, we should be primarily concerned with our own salvation, but throughout history--going back to Biblical times--Christians have also had to guard against heresies in the church.

Nonetheless, despite my theological disagreements, I strongly respect many Mormons (who are as a group very hard working and responsible) and supported one for President in the primaries.

180 posted on 12/03/2008 11:47:42 AM PST by Arguendo
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To: broncobilly
Mormons do not call other Christians non-Cristians if the do not believe in the D&C.

Mormons do not call other Latter-day Saints who believe in D&C Section 132 Mormons. In fact, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and many of its members take great offense when this happens. Recall the recent FLDS fiasco.

Seems like you are accusing your Church and many of your fellow believers of being hypocritical.

181 posted on 12/03/2008 11:47:44 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: colorcountry

>>But the Mormons send plenty of Elders around to tell you about the invalidity of your baptism, so I guess by your formula it is the Mormons who are guilty of “bashing.”<<

I’ve had plenty of other religions come to my house to try to get me to join. I tell them I am Catholic and I’m staying that way. They don’t continue to come back and tell me how wrong my beliefs are.

Maybe others have had that happen, but I have never experienced it.


182 posted on 12/03/2008 11:47:57 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Elsie
But us Mormon-Bashers are Christians FIRST, and Conservatives SECOND.

I get it.

So we can't vote for a Jew?

Or a Seventh Day Adventist??

Or a Presbyterian??

Or an athiest.

Needless to say, that logic is ridiculous.

Teddy Kennedy claims to be a devout Catholic, as does Rudy Guiliani and a host of other liberal candidates.

Romney would strengthen the conservative cause 20 times better than either, yet your "Christian FIRST" policy would prevent that from happening.

How sad.

183 posted on 12/03/2008 11:48:10 AM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

The topic is the assault upon people of faith by the sexual degenerates who have chosen as their father the father of lies a murderer from the start. But the thread is devolving into another mormon v christians scrum. Sad, because the Mormons need to be supported on this issue since it is they who are fighting the hardest and accepting the glaring exposure to preserve the institution of marriage because they hold it in such high regard! I’m outta here ...


184 posted on 12/03/2008 11:48:26 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Jibaholic

Arianism and other faiths that reject the divinity of Christ are heretical. That includes Mormonism.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Mormons strongly believe in the divinity of Christ. I believe the only thing in the Apostles Creed Mormons would not accept are the words “Holy Catholic Church.” Mormons respect Catholics and the Catholic Church. Much of what the Mormons give to world charities, they funnel through the Catholic Church. Mormons consider the Catholics to be Christian.


185 posted on 12/03/2008 11:48:35 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: Scotswife

***I’ve had several visits. I debated with them. I didn’t like what they told me, and they didn’t like what I told them.***

I have also when I lived out west in NM. Here it is mostly JWs who come around. They learn quick to stay away. I am always polite to them though.


186 posted on 12/03/2008 11:49:05 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Had Christians gone out of their way to label you as a “Wicked Dam’ned Unrepentent Sinner Wallowing in Sin” (as all atheists are) how likely would you have been to want to become a Christian?

Good Question!!

St. John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Take THAT you CONDEMNED non-believers!!

187 posted on 12/03/2008 11:49:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

>> ‘these’<<

Non-Catholic churches.


188 posted on 12/03/2008 11:49:09 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
 
 

Rather than rendering judgments about fellow freepers, shouldn’t you follow Christ’s teachings in Luke 6: “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.”

I always find it interesting that those who do not want their practices and policies examined tend to trot out those few verses; hoping to stifle any more questions.
 
Sorry folks, but there is MORE to be said in the matter of 'judging'.
 


Luke 7:43
   Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled."   "You have judged correctly," Jesus said.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
 12.  What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
 13.  God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
 

1 Corinthians 6:2-5
 2.  Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
 3.  Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
 4.  Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church!
 5.  I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?

189 posted on 12/03/2008 11:50:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

As a mason, I will say he boldly stole the fraternity initiation and turned it into a religion.

Pretty crappy thing to do to the fraternity for many reasons. Not only an oath-breaker, but continues to tar the fraternity with people who think it is a religion.


190 posted on 12/03/2008 11:51:47 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: Elsie

Go to Wikipedia on the Nicene Creed and search for “anathema.”


191 posted on 12/03/2008 11:52:04 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly

Mormons have only done that by accepting an even bigger heresy: polytheism.


192 posted on 12/03/2008 11:52:19 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: acipher
We reject anything that would cast doubt on Jesus Christ’s divinity.

What's the MORMON teaching on WHEN Jesus became devine?

193 posted on 12/03/2008 11:52:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

> The topic is the assault upon people of faith by the sexual degenerates who have chosen as their father the father of lies a murderer from the start. But the thread is devolving into another mormon v christians scrum. Sad, because the Mormons need to be supported on this issue since it is they who are fighting the hardest and accepting the glaring exposure to preserve the institution of marriage because they hold it in such high regard! I’m outta here ...

Yup — I’m right behind you!


194 posted on 12/03/2008 11:53:26 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Luke21
God bless the Mormons. They are the only ones willing to take on the Sodomites.

The thousands of Christians who joined the mormons in the battle will be pleased to hear that. /sarc

The mormons have gladly accepted that description, and boasted about it as you are doing...why then would any of you be surprised that the anti prop 8 faction would choose to single mormons out for their protests?

It appears that if you welcome the fame, you should expect the blame.

195 posted on 12/03/2008 11:56:38 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Jibaholic

I only wanted to inform you, not debate you. If you want a debate, you may find someone else to oblige you.


196 posted on 12/03/2008 11:57:32 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: netmilsmom

The mormons, however, do not return the favor, with their Temple ritual (while it has been recently cleaned up) belittling and mocking the Nicean Creed and the churches that profess it:

http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormcr1.htm#part_10

“Lucifer employs a Christian Minister as his hireling lackey to confuse, deceive, and destroy all mankind along with Adam and Eve. He preaches to them a comical perversion of the 3rd century Nicean Creed, which Adam rejects, employing sarcasm and ridicule to develop audience contempt, but without hissing or booing, as was done in prior decades.”


197 posted on 12/03/2008 11:59:48 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: broncobilly

Nah, I’m not actually that interested in a debate. As a former atheist I really feel that my calling is debating atheists. I just got involved because of the contention that calling X a heresy is an act of hate. It is not.


198 posted on 12/03/2008 12:00:45 PM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Let’s not hijack the thread on to mormon doctrine.

QUICK!!

Close the barn door!!!


199 posted on 12/03/2008 12:05:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Edit35
McCain stutter-stepping and fumbling around Air Force One

Imagine if he was in a wheelchair! No one could lead this country in that condition.

There were enough reasons not to elect McCain without using his physical condition as a reason.

200 posted on 12/03/2008 12:06:14 PM PST by Syncro (Tagline: Discontinued until further notice)
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