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An Ugly Attack on Mormons
article.nationalreview.com ^ | December 3, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804

An Ugly Attack on Mormons

The easiest targets for an organized campaign against religious freedom of conscience.

By Jonah Goldberg

Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife’s purse and then the man’s wallet for any cash. Cackling, they smash the daughter’s piggy bank and pinch every penny. “We need it for the Wall Street bailout!” they exclaim.

No? Maybe you saw the one with the two swarthy Muslims who knock on the door of a nice Jewish family and then blow themselves up?

No? Well, then surely you saw the TV ad in which two smarmy Mormon missionaries knock on the door of an attractive lesbian couple. “Hi, we’re from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!” says the blond one with a toothy smile. “We’re here to take away your rights.” The Mormon zealots yank the couple’s wedding rings from their fingers and then tear up their marriage license.

As the thugs leave, one says to the other, “That was too easy.” His smirking comrade replies, “Yeah, what should we ban next?” The voice-over implores viewers: “Say no to a church taking over your government.”

Obviously, the first two ads are fictional because no one would dare run such anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim attacks.

The third ad, however, was real. It was broadcast throughout California on Election Day as part of the effort to rally opposition to Proposition 8, the initiative that successfully repealed the right to same-sex marriage in the state.

What was the reaction to the ad? Widespread condemnation? Scorn? Rebuke? Tepid criticism?

Nope.

The Los Angeles Times, a principled opponent of Proposition 8, ran an editorial lamenting that the “hard-hitting commercial” was too little, too late.

(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
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To: restornu
The solution lies not within our government, schools, or symbols of popular culture, but rather within ourselves, our families, and our faith.
451 posted on 12/04/2008 5:50:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
(Blessed be the Peacemaker.)

I'm glad you've remembered your pledge from a few months back...

452 posted on 12/04/2008 5:51:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Scotswife
It isn’t like mormons are the “only” ones who voted against prop 8, but they are an easy target because the media made them a scapegoat here.

Oh heck!!

We absolutely REVEL in scapegoatiness!

--MormonDude(Does this make us masochists?)

453 posted on 12/04/2008 5:54:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232
We believe all will be saved through that atonement (save the sons of perdition), however, not all will receive all that he has.

WHOA!!

Who are these NEW players to arrive on the scene??

454 posted on 12/04/2008 5:55:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
Mormons use the King James version of the Bible.

And totally IGNORE the CORRECTIONS of it that their Beloved Leader and Founder, Joseph Smith, so carefully documented.

Those very words were STRAIGHT from God's mouth to Joe's ears (or eyes).

WHY doesn't the great LDS Organization, based in Salt Lake City, say that the JST is SCRIPTURE?

455 posted on 12/04/2008 5:58:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RobRoy
You lost me on that comment. Right over my head.

DEFEND yourself against such BAD behavior!

456 posted on 12/04/2008 5:59:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: netmilsmom
Those who insist on being that crass give FReepers a bad name and are as bad as the Palistinians.

Oh NO!

I've been called a NAME!

457 posted on 12/04/2008 6:00:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SJackson
That may be, but there are Mormons in California. Their participation is as legitimate as the NRA, the AARP, or any other advocacy group.

The orders came from Salt Lake City, and the percentage of California mormons is negligible compared to the amount of money raised by the LDS.

This was interference in a state election by those who resided outside the state, no matter how you excuse it.

I'll repeat my comment...I can just hear the howls if California residents interfered in Utah elections in this manner.

458 posted on 12/04/2008 6:03:26 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Elsie

>>Oh NO!

I’ve been called a NAME!<<

Per the Religion Moderator, one may not personalize.
I never said “Elsie”

However if this is the role you admit to slipping into, recognizing one’s shortcomings is the road to recovery.


459 posted on 12/04/2008 6:08:42 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: greyfoxx39

>>This was interference in a state election by those who resided outside the state, no matter how you excuse it.<<

I donated to Marilyn Musgrave. I live in MI. I did not interfer with her state election, I supported my point of view.

Do you know how many non-California FReepers donated to the Yes on 8 campaign?


460 posted on 12/04/2008 6:12:05 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Elsie

>>But the one in question was STARTED by an ignorant, 14 yo boy listening to two deceiving spirits posing as Jesus and His father!<<

Yes, some have more blood than others, that’s for sure.

To be clear, I do not consider Mormonism to be a Christian faith. Yer talkin’ to someone who was first exposed to Saints Alive (aka ex-mormons for Jesus) back in the early 1980’s. I have TONS of physical material and now internet sites. I loaned some of that material to a mormon friend and their response was to take it home and destroy it. There are a lot of Christians that have come out of mormonism, but there seem to be even more who have left mormonism and consider it an example of why ALL Christianity is a scam. That is very unfortunate.

But I do believe there are lots of mormons who are Christian, or we wouldn’t have organizations like Saints Alive, if you get my drift. ;)

They just need to come out.

I compare Mr Smith to Mohamed. Only I believe mohamed is the source of the Koran. I believe Mr. Smith stole from another man what was supposed to be a work of fiction and tried to use it for his own purposes. I believe Brigham Young took it MUCH further than even Mr. Smith tried to. One poster here has amply demonstrated a knowledge of many logical falacies regarding Mormonism and shared it here. He is, interestingly, not getting very many responses.

Man made religion never holds up to scrutiy from unbiased observers. It is a HUGE lie that is simply to complex to keep together. It must be protected from scrutiny. Islam has learned that. To a lesser degree, Mormonism has as well. The internet will kill both of them. Christianity merely gets stronger though.

There. This post just bashed mormonism. But you will find nothing bashing mormons. Just certain beliefs. And those beliefs deserve to be exposed to the light of day.


461 posted on 12/04/2008 6:15:13 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: Scotswife
I don’t know what rights anyone wants to “take away” from them.

The right to assemble and protest.

Draper mulls 'free speech zones' near new temple

If you have read very many of these threads, you will see an outpouring of hate against the protestors that is astonishing.

And, as I have said in an earlier post, the mormons have taken the credit for the win, they should not be surprised at being targeted.

What I find interesting is that the so-called "winners" are acting like losers when they rail against the protestors...as though they expected the losers to quietly fade away and accept their loss. How naive!

Politics ain't softball!

462 posted on 12/04/2008 6:29:34 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Reno232

The process of sanctification does not actually result in becoming a god, but becoming more loving. It is only the sinful pride of Mormons that makes them believe they can become a god.


463 posted on 12/04/2008 6:31:48 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Several points:

Of course they ignored his masonic plea; Smith had been expelled from the masons for breaking his oath, and as an expelled brother, he was not entitled to special masonic protection.

That said, the mob’s actions were wrong. I oppose mob actions of most any kind. This mob attack was certainly inappropriate. He should have been turned over to the authorities and sentenced for his crimes, just like any one else.

The temple ritual is more than just “similar” — it is identical with the exception of the added mormon theology and attacks on what-is-normally-deemed-Christianity, especially to portions of the York Rite (which used to be part of the “Blue Lodge”) down to the hand shakes and passwords. (The now-outdated “Pay Lay Ale” other “Adamaic” appears to be new, although I have not sat down and thought through any comparison.)

Regarding Mormon masons -— there are plenty. Indeed, a quick Google search will reveal many a site where mormon masons try to explore the fraternal roots of their religion.


464 posted on 12/04/2008 6:57:05 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: Jibaholic

So I take it then that you disagree w/ the words of those I posted? Am I to assume that you disagree w/ the scriptures I posted as well?


465 posted on 12/04/2008 6:58:42 AM PST by Reno232
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To: Zakeet
Not all Mormons use the King James version of the Bible.

I've been Mormon all of my life and I've never seen the book from which you posted the cover.

Just to end any further confusion, on your part or anyone else's, Mormons use the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

466 posted on 12/04/2008 7:01:27 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Reno232

You have confused sanctification with becoming a god. I assume from the context of your post that Mormons call the process of becoming a god “deification.” You have confused sanctification with deification.


467 posted on 12/04/2008 7:01:46 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Spiff
Just to end any further confusion, on your part or anyone else's, Mormons use the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

.....among other scriptures, as well as the Joseph Smith Translation (which is contained in references in the footnotes of every Mormon quad).....

Why are you trying to be deceptive, Spiff?

468 posted on 12/04/2008 7:04:03 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Reno232

Obviously that man can become gods is a troubling heresy. There is also the flipside that is even more troubling: that God was once a regular man. On another planet, of course.


469 posted on 12/04/2008 7:05:08 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Of course they ignored his masonic plea; Smith had been expelled from the masons for breaking his oath, and as an expelled brother, he was not entitled to special masonic protection.

Smith purportedly went through the Three Degrees of Blue Lodge in about one day. Since this is practically impossible, it can be argued Smith was never really a Mason in the first place.

Smith was shot in a small room in the Carthage jail after a brief gun battle in which he had killed two men and seriously wounded a third. There is no evidence anyone in the room was a Mason.

A more interesting question is whether the Mormon Temple Ceremony is Satanic?

Read these Questions for Your [Mormon] Temple Tour, and watch this reenactment of the Mormon Temple Ceremony, paying special attention to ...

Note:
Each of these terrible things is, or has been, an integral part of Mormon Temple Rites. The portrayal of pastors as satanic stooges, prayers for the overthrow of the US Government (as punishment for Mormon persecution) and the chanting of "Marvelous Lucifer" in Hebrew were eliminated a few years ago because of protests received after outsiders learned about them – despite Smith’s stern admonition that the ceremony was received directly from god and could not be changed upon penalty of death. All of the remaining practices are performed to this day.

... and then decide for yourself.

470 posted on 12/04/2008 7:16:49 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: Elsie

Do you know what a Peacemaker is?

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWcoltR.htm


471 posted on 12/04/2008 7:23:19 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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To: Spiff
I've been Mormon all of my life and I've never seen the book from which you posted the cover. ... Just to end any further confusion, on your part or anyone else's, Mormons use the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (now called the Community of Christ) recognize only the Inspired Version of the Bible (a.k.a. Joseph Smith Translation) as authoritative.

You can pick up a copy at your convenience from most leading book vendors, including Amazon.com.

Personally, I never understood how a Prophet of God could make over 4,000 changes to Scripture, and not have his alterations accepted by his Church. Doesn't this raise the question of whether Smith's other writings such as the BoM, PGP, D&C, Temple Ceremony, etc. were accurate and inerrant? Perhaps you can explain.

472 posted on 12/04/2008 7:29:23 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: greyfoxx39
This was interference in a state election by those who resided outside the state, no matter how you excuse it….I'll repeat my comment...I can just hear the howls if California residents interfered in Utah elections in this manner….What I find interesting is that the so-called "winners" are acting like losers when they rail against the protestors...as though they expected the losers to quietly fade away and accept their loss. How naive!...Politics ain't softball!

I’ve no doubt they’d complain, and in my view it would simply be whining, as you note Politics ain't softball!

Getting back to the thread topic, if the LDS began running ads slandering the religious denominations who supported the other side, or disrupting their religious services, I’d suggest they’d be worthy of condemnation in the former case, prosecution in the latter.

473 posted on 12/04/2008 7:39:46 AM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: Elsie

The Bible was written before any of the creeds that you believe in. It could just as well have been talking about them.


474 posted on 12/04/2008 7:49:25 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Jibaholic
I respect that you have a difference of opinion. Please explain why your opinion is correct & why the statements by Saint Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Justin Martyr, Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, Augustine of Hippo, C. S. Lewis, Westminister Dictionary of Christian Theology, William R. Inge, Archbishop of Canterbury, are all wrong. They seem to treat your views as heresy. So who's correct & why?

These were students of the Bible, men of great intellect, & yet came to a vastly different conclusion than you. Their views seem to conform to the scriptures I cited to you, of which you still make no mention.

Even though I disagree, I respect your opinion, but am trying to gain a better grasp as to why you're so certain that your opinion is better than those cited. Do you really KNOW, or are you just guessing? If you know, please explain how, & if you're guessing, perhaps a change in tone would be appropriate

475 posted on 12/04/2008 7:54:06 AM PST by Reno232
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To: SJackson
Getting back to the thread topic, if the LDS began running ads slandering the religious denominations who supported the other side, or disrupting their religious services, I’d suggest they’d be worthy of condemnation in the former case, prosecution in the latter.

I have no problem with condemnation or persecution of vandalism. My point is that the constant and repeated whining on FR by mormons and mormon defenders is notable, since they entered into this battle and now that they have won, expect the losers to bow and scrape and kiss their rings.

Instead, the losers are using everything at their disposal to strike back which should have been expected, and they have the media behind them. This hasn't ended.

Prop 8 video is a video sensation

There will be more videos and quite probably movies in the next couple of years. Mormonism is going to get more publicity than bargained for, and I expect court cases regarding the seperation of church and state also.

Mormons love for being seen as "persecuted" will be well-fed.

476 posted on 12/04/2008 8:08:38 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Reno232
You are making a couple mistakes. The first is that you are confusing sanctification with "deification." Sanctification is the process of becoming holy - of overcoming sin. Christians become conformed in the image of Christ. That is a moral process, not the process of becoming a god. We remain wholly dependent upon God. Sanctification is not something we do on our own, but through the work of the Holy Spirit acting through us. Mormons have a heretical understanding of sanctification and think that they can become gods. They have twisted sanctification into "deification."

Secondly, the Church fathers were also, for the most part, also talking about sanctification. However, the Church fathers also frequently had heretical beliefs. Many heretical sects deny the divinity of Christ (I had confused Mormons with 7th Day Adventists earlier in the thread, my apologies. I do not usually debate heresies so I lost track of which is which). They frequently quote Church fathers such as Origin who subscribed to Arianism.

Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven. -- Mathew 7:21

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. -- 2 Corinthians 11:13-15


477 posted on 12/04/2008 8:12:24 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Zakeet
Delphiuser: Mormons believe in Jesus Christ ... Mormons are not "Orthodox Christians" but they are most definitely Christian.

Zakeet: Muslims believe in Jesus Christ, but they aren't Christian.

Please read my responses on this thread wherein I list some of the enormous differences between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity HERE and HERE and let me know where I am mistaken.


Let me see, I'm a Mormon. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Muslims Believe Jesus was a prophet but not the savior. (So he was a lying prophet?) they do not qualify as Christian for they do not claim to be Christian and do not accept Jesus as their savior. I do accept and proclaim him as my savior, I am a Christian.

As to your post(s) Utah Lighthouse ministry is an anti site. Mormonism Research ministry, another anti site. Their purpose is to destroy our religion, and you want to use them in a debate as a source to be debated? are you serious? The JOD is not a Mormon Scripture, it is a collection of sermons, I suppose all collections of sermons from Evangelicals are valid fodder for the debate... so, you would consider the Rev Jeremiah wright as a good example of Protestantism, or maybe Fred Phelps? Get real.

As to your second post, Seen it, debunked it on other threads, There is only one completely true statement in the lot. (We Believe in Baptism for the Dead, Which is Biblical).

You want refutation, fine, Go to may personal page on Free republic, here, read it top to bottom, follow the links, then go to EDWARD WATSON'S WEBWORLD and do the same.

Consider yourself "corrected".
478 posted on 12/04/2008 8:15:09 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Zakeet

I am not a mormon, but I do speak Hebrew, and don’t believe what you posted is accurate.

It kind of reeks of sensationalism, and some that is attacked as wrong is theologically correct for mainstream Christians.

For example, the Devil is viewed as “the god of this world[age]” by St. Paul. (2 Cor. 4:4)


479 posted on 12/04/2008 8:16:46 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: Elsie
Delphiuser: Last question is someone who believes in Jesus, but has a different understanding than you do "passing themselves off" or do they really believe?

LC: Of COURSE you guys 'really believe'!

WHO ever said you didn't??

Like I told my wife, the last time she got us lost in the woods while I was driving; "Well I believed that the last turn I made was right."


IMHO, you are still making wrong turns, but that would be your business... if you just left others alone.
480 posted on 12/04/2008 8:18:42 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
DU: Please show me where the word Trinity appears in the KJV of the Bible...

LC: Show ME where ANY of your Temple Rites® appear in ANY of your Scriptures!

Actually, all the pieces are in the scriptures, they are just not put together for the same reason Jesus spoke in parables.
481 posted on 12/04/2008 8:23:20 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Jibaholic
In my opinion you're getting too hung up on this deification vs. sanctification argument. The writings of those mentioned make no mention of either, rather just about becoming Gods. Nothing to really twist there. Again they comport nicely w/ the scriptures from the Bible I cited as well.

Please cite the scriptures that talk about becoming a God as a part of sanctification rather than deification & how we really don't become Gods regardless of what the scriptures say.

You throw out terms such as heresy & heretical freely but yet still give no definitive explanation as to why you're right & they are wrong. You basically just say you're right without backing up why. If you know you're correct, how? Stating opinions isn't delineating how you know you're correct. Surely there is a definitive reason to back your beliefs rather than just conjecture & calling people heretical that don't believe as you do.

482 posted on 12/04/2008 8:27:42 AM PST by Reno232
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To: greyfoxx39
I have no problem with condemnation or persecution of vandalism. My point is that the constant and repeated whining on FR by mormons and mormon defenders is notable, since they entered into this battle and now that they have won, expect the losers to bow and scrape and kiss their rings....There will be more videos and quite probably movies in the next couple of years. Mormonism is going to get more publicity than bargained for, and I expect court cases regarding the seperation of church and state also.... Mormons love for being seen as "persecuted" will be well-fed.

Can't really comment about constant whining, due to both lack of knowledge and disinterest. In the case of these ads and service disruptions, the "whining" becomes legitimate complaint, imo. I acknowledge at best 5% of the posts on the thread might relate to that issue. But it's not something that should be tolerated.

483 posted on 12/04/2008 8:29:17 AM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: DelphiUser; Elsie

“Actually, all the pieces are in the scriptures, they are just not put together for the same reason Jesus spoke in parables.”

Wait... Mormon temple rites are intentionally obscured, but present, in Scripture to fulfill prophecy and to help Jesus avoid being crowned King of Judah on the spot?

Is this a popcorn thing?


484 posted on 12/04/2008 8:30:37 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Elsie
DU: Mormons believe in the Godhead which does appear there.

LC: The GODHEAD with TWO physical bodies?

Understand that I am not attacking your religion, but you asked a question about logic.

Was Jesus' resurrection a hoax or "Temporary" in some way? (I don't believe it was) If it was "real" then Jesus has a body now.

If Jesus has a "Father" who is separate from him as he says in John 17:20-22, then in order to be in the express image of God Hebrews 1:1-3 God must have an image.

Was Jesus misleading us when he prayed to and spoke of God his father in the third person?

Was God deceiving men when at Jesus' baptism spoke from the heavens, descended from the dove and was being baptized all at the same time?

Mormons Do more than just believe in Jesus, we "Believe Jesus" we actually believe what he had to say, he speaks of God as his Father, so that's who God is. He speaks of God int eh third person, so they are not the same person, Jesus Gives an analogy that compares his oneness to that which is to be had by the apostles, so that is the oneness that he has with the father. Throughout the Bible, God marries men and women declaring that they should be "one flesh, telling the church that they should be one

You and yours tell me that I am mistaken, I respect your opinion, but I know that my salvation depends on actually understanding Jesus and his relationship with God. I know this, Because Jesus Said:
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Not that I need to know him, but God and him. Elsie, I beg you for your souls sake, stop believe in Jesus Christ only and start believing what he had to say in the Bible and when you do, then and only then are you ready for the Book of Mormon and the Further light and knowledge he has waiting for you.

Lurkers, I ask you to read the Bible and see if what Jesus said is really compatible with the Nicene Creed, please pray about it to God, and see if he will testify to you of the Nicene Creed, then pray about the God Head being two prefect personages and the Holy Ghost being one in heart might mind and strength. pray, and then believe God when he answers.
485 posted on 12/04/2008 8:52:49 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
And yet... you soldier on.

I learned a saying early on in my life, Sticks and stones...


486 posted on 12/04/2008 8:55:23 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: netmilsmom
I never said “Elsie”

Dang!

You are RIGHT!!

My apologies.

Those who insist on being that crass give FReepers a bad name and are as bad as the Palistinians.


Logic 101...

If A=B

Then if B=C

Then if C=D

Then D=A

487 posted on 12/04/2008 9:02:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
The right to assemble and protest.


488 posted on 12/04/2008 9:06:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Politics ain't softball!

Neither is Religion!

489 posted on 12/04/2008 9:07:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232
 
Am I to assume that you disagree w/ the scriptures I posted as well?
 
 
You must be thinking of THESE folks:

 

TRUTH IGNORED
 
 

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimball, Woodruff ...

 
 
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 
 

490 posted on 12/04/2008 9:08:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Spiff
I've been Mormon all of my life and I've never seen the book from which you posted the cover.

Ah...

You exclude OTHERS from being "MORMON".

491 posted on 12/04/2008 9:09:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zakeet
Read these Questions for Your [Mormon] Temple Tour, and watch this reenactment of the Mormon Temple Ceremony, paying special attention to ...

What?

Was this some kind of ADVERTISEMENT on TV or something?

492 posted on 12/04/2008 9:11:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man

493 posted on 12/04/2008 9:15:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lady lawyer
The Bible was written before any of the creeds that you believe in.

And WHICH 'creeds' would that be?

494 posted on 12/04/2008 9:16:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

>>My apologies.<<

Thank you!


495 posted on 12/04/2008 9:18:57 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: DelphiUser
Their purpose is to destroy our religion...

Gee...

Ol' Joe managed to do THAT all by himself!!

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 


And with NO data to back him up!

496 posted on 12/04/2008 9:19:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

WHY doesn’t the great LDS Organization...


It’s a puzzle to you because your first two statements are false.
If you want to know why, I suggest you ask them.


497 posted on 12/04/2008 9:20:04 AM PST by broncobilly
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To: DelphiUser
... if you just left others alone.

Fat chance!



2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
 13.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.


498 posted on 12/04/2008 9:21:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Actually, all the pieces are in the scriptures, they are just not put together for the same reason Jesus spoke in parables.

No doubt ALL of the 'words' can be found there.

Just add them together any way you want.

Sounds just like Joseph Smith's 'translation' of the Golden Plates.

499 posted on 12/04/2008 9:23:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232
You throw out terms such as heresy & heretical freely but yet still give no definitive explanation as to why you're right & they are wrong.

After the way Joseph Smith started HIS church; you have the GALL to say something like THIS?

Sheesh!

500 posted on 12/04/2008 9:24:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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