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An Ugly Attack on Mormons
article.nationalreview.com ^ | December 3, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804

An Ugly Attack on Mormons

The easiest targets for an organized campaign against religious freedom of conscience.

By Jonah Goldberg

Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife’s purse and then the man’s wallet for any cash. Cackling, they smash the daughter’s piggy bank and pinch every penny. “We need it for the Wall Street bailout!” they exclaim.

No? Maybe you saw the one with the two swarthy Muslims who knock on the door of a nice Jewish family and then blow themselves up?

No? Well, then surely you saw the TV ad in which two smarmy Mormon missionaries knock on the door of an attractive lesbian couple. “Hi, we’re from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!” says the blond one with a toothy smile. “We’re here to take away your rights.” The Mormon zealots yank the couple’s wedding rings from their fingers and then tear up their marriage license.

As the thugs leave, one says to the other, “That was too easy.” His smirking comrade replies, “Yeah, what should we ban next?” The voice-over implores viewers: “Say no to a church taking over your government.”

Obviously, the first two ads are fictional because no one would dare run such anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim attacks.

The third ad, however, was real. It was broadcast throughout California on Election Day as part of the effort to rally opposition to Proposition 8, the initiative that successfully repealed the right to same-sex marriage in the state.

What was the reaction to the ad? Widespread condemnation? Scorn? Rebuke? Tepid criticism?

Nope.

The Los Angeles Times, a principled opponent of Proposition 8, ran an editorial lamenting that the “hard-hitting commercial” was too little, too late.

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To: Colofornian
Wow! Such a long post & yet you still didn't address all the scriptures I cited about works. You continue to bring up all the scriptures re: grace to buttress your argument but fail once again to address the works issue through the scriptures I cited.

You once again further show your ignorance of our beliefs by stating that “It's a near-universalism where just about everybody will have their own kingdom.” Not everyone will have their own kingdom, although everyone will be put into a kingdom dependent upon their works as described in 1 Corinthians 15:40-42 where the Lord clearly talks about the Resurrection unto those three kingdoms, but they will not necessarily be their own kingdom. You were a member, & you don't know this basic principle? Maybe that's why you fell away, you never knew the basic tenants of the gospel.

As far as the grace vs. works issue is concerned, how do you explain Matt. 25:31-46?

31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now, here the Lord is talking about the judgment. He talks about the sheep on His right who have done WORKS unto their fellow men & they would “inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world”. Then, He talks about the goats & how they had not done WORKS unto their fellow man, “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal”.

Both the sheep & the goats BELIEVED in the Lord, but only those that did the WORKS unto their fellow man received life eternal. Where does He say here that as long as one believes, it doesn't matter what works you do for your fellow man, His grace alone will be sufficient for life eternal & to inherit the kingdom prepared for them?

Let's now turn to Titus 1:16.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

He says “They profess that they know God”, in other words, they have faith in Him, but then He says, “but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate”. How did they DENY Him? IN WORKS!

Again, explain how grace trumps works according to the Lord IN HIS OWN WORDS in these scriptures.

Of course, these are just 2 of a myriad of scriptures I could/have cited to you that talk about the import of works in relation to the final judgment. These would seem very clear to me & many others here I presume. You obviously have a very different opinion. I would ask once again, why is your opinion the correct one & mine wrong, & how do you know definitively? Certainly you can see there are scriptures that contradict your assertions.

551 posted on 12/04/2008 9:00:36 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Scotswife

Well put.


552 posted on 12/04/2008 9:06:22 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Reno232

it is easy to forget the “hate literature” battle that took place in Canada not too long ago...

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/apr/06041305.html


553 posted on 12/04/2008 10:02:47 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Colofornian
DU:Mormons are not "Orthodox Christians" because we do not believe in the Trinity and we do not trace our authority to the Catholic church, nor do we claim that all Christians have the authority to go start their own church...

Colofornian: Don't stop there with the key distinctions...

I'll do my best:

Colofornian: ...how about that Mormons believe in many gods?...

As many as the Bible defines in 1 correnthians 8:5, however, we only worship the god of Abraham, and of Issac and of Jacob, he is our God.

Colofornian: ...that Mormons trace their "authority" to what was revealed to a 14 yo lad (or 16 depending on which version of his "first vision" you believe in)...

Actually, if anyone cares to actually read the account, Joseph smith was in his fifteenth year (fourteen to those who don't know), and it's clear the revelations came from God to Joseph.

Colofornian: ...that Mormons believe their elder spirit brothers from a spiritual pre-existence were Jesus and Lucifer...

We believe what Jesus said in john 20:17, however, we recognize that Jesus is the only begotten of the father, we are not his children in the flesh but spiritually, thus Jesus is indeed our brother for we share the same father but in a different way than is "normal". We simply believe what Jesus said about it.

Colofornian: ...that Mormons believe that father-god was once a man...

That is a logical conclusion, but it is not "doctrine". The conclusion is based on the promise in the bible that we can become heirs to the kingdom then it is logical that God may have inherited the kingdome the same way, but it's just a theory.

Colofornian: ...that Mormons believe they, too, either are already gods or can become one...

That's because, the Bible says so... Romans 8:16-17. if you are an heir to the kingdom of God...

DU: Mormons believe that all who believe in and accept as their savior Jesus Christ are Christians.

Colofornian: Yes, but then on the basis of Joseph Smith's first vision, found in Mormon scripture Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, verses 18-20... it proceeds to label these Christians as "corrupt" (all of them); and as having 100% creeds which are supposedly an "abomination" unto the Mormon god.

The creed is condemned, The teachers of the creed are condemned because they are leading people astray, the people who have been misled by it need to repent of this herisy.

du: We believe they have not had the full truth available to them...

Colofornian: Well, how nice of you to slander the Bible as being less-than-forthright of God's prime AND comprehensive truths! (Need we call any more Mormon witnesses to the stand than somebody who slyly yet openly condemns the supposed "shortcomings" of the Holy Bible???)

Is the Bible perfect and inerrant? The book fo momron is not either. They were both perfect as they came from the lips of God to his prophets. Men have done their imperfect best to translate the Bible from it's native tongues. Other men have done their imperfect best to preserve those texts. As soon as you run a perfect work through imperfect men you get an imperfect work. Earlier in this thread an anti-Mormon said it was not demeaning to speak the truth.

There are error in the bible, but they are the fault of men, even men who did their best are not perfect for there is only one perfect, and he has not yet returned to us.

CF, I find it amazing that you and those on your side will employ tactics that;
A) could be employed against any religion (like saying things they believe in a way to make them seem un-biblical, when they clearly are Biblical)
B) would have you howling for blood if used on you.
C) are so Christlike that you cannot pretend to be charitable while saying them.

Have a good night CF
554 posted on 12/04/2008 10:39:43 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: colorcountry
Keep reading, you’ve obviously not caught up.

I'll get there eventually, if everyone could just stop posting...

Yeah, I thought not.
555 posted on 12/04/2008 10:41:28 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Colofornian
You know it's really more accurate to say that LDS believe the pre-incarnant spirit named Jesus was a son of God -- not THE Son of God. Now, if Jesus' birth to Mary made him more than that -- it that elevated Jesus to THE Son of God status, would you care to elaborate, especially based upon Brigham Young and other LDS prophets' and apostles' statements, what exact role Elohim played in the conception of Jesus within Mary?

Actually your post is so much balderdash. Jesus was God before *anything* was created, being born of Mary made him God the Father's only begotten, but he was part of the Godhead before he created the earth, or anything else.

As for the role God played, what part of father don't you understand? God the father is Jesus' father in every significant way; at the same time Mary was a virgin

Being a virgin means no sex not with God not with Joseph, zip zilch Nada (so stop with the salacious undertone, it just does not play).

Mormons would almost go with the immaculate conception, except that there has been way to much junk added to it like the perpetual virginity of Mary, so we'll just settle for "it was a miracle", OK? if you want to know exactly how it was done, we know it was through the Holy Ghosts' power, but that's about it. wino's every where want to know how to turn water into wine, join the club.
556 posted on 12/04/2008 10:54:51 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: colorcountry
DU This is your idea of full disclosure? ROTFLOL!

CC I wonder if I will receive an apology from you - I won't be holding my breath....Read post #21. (which was my very first post on this thread).

Oh shoot, and you must have also missed post #111. You're slipping DU. I thought you had much better reading comprehension skills.


My bad, I thought you said full disclosure, not two lines of text disclosure...
557 posted on 12/04/2008 10:59:37 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Reno232
You constantly ask Mormons to explain their beliefs, which we do on a regular basis. When we ask for you to explain your beliefs, all you can do is come up with “You Play Defense For Awhile!”?

Actually answering questions is not on the anti agenda. Didn't you get the memo, antis only ask questions answering them is too hard.
558 posted on 12/04/2008 11:02:16 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Jibaholic
Yes, but he is only one God among many. Perhaps even you will join him some day. Pride=wanting to be like God.

LOL!
1 corr 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
It's straight from the Bible, that's why we believe it.
Pride = Thinking you know what we believe even when we deny that "that" is what we believe.
559 posted on 12/04/2008 11:13:15 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Marysecretary; broncobilly
Mormonism is not Biblical by any means. It’s not a matter of interpretation. They follow Joseph Smith and HIS version of the Bible, which is ungodly to say the least. They don’t believe in the Trinity either, from what I have gathered from remarks here. To them, Jesus is satan’s half-brother. Does that sound biblical to you?

From my page here Do Mormons Believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?

Do Mormons Believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?

That depends on what you mean by brothers, suffice it to say that is not a "Mormon" teaching you will hear stated in sunday school, but we believe the Bible, so consider the following scriptures:

Hebrews 12: 9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
So God is the Father of Spirits...

2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
So Satan was once an angel, and was cast out of heaven.

Hebrews 1:7
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
So angels have Spirits and can call God Father.

1 John 1:34
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
So Satan was once an angel, Angels have a spirit, and God is the father of Spirits, also Jesus is "The Son of God" therefore,according to the Bible, they are brothers. We believe the Bible, so.... we believe that Jesus and Satan can be called brothers just like everyone who believes the Bible.

What is misleading is that this is presented as a shocking belief when it is just Biblical.

One of the Twists of phraseology is to call Satan "God's Brother" which is a phrase from the occult, and thus Phrasing this question this way makes a belief which all who believe the bible to be the word of God, cannot deny to sound like we are part of the Occult, which is the point of the question. So, when did you stop beating your wife...

Fair Mormon addresses this same topic here.

Nice try...
560 posted on 12/04/2008 11:20:45 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: svcw
So you are saying that if I ask questions and don’t follow the lds chant I do not get another chance. Huh? My uncle the bishop says all I have to do is be a good person and I’ll get a second chance. Oh well.

Everyone will get a chance, no second chance is guaranteed. You might get a second chance, you might not. you're just not guaranteed one.
561 posted on 12/04/2008 11:23:33 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: SkyPilot
Turn the Mirror Around. ?

The back is black with paper over it, now what?
562 posted on 12/04/2008 11:29:30 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: brytlea
So, you're just opposed to people labeling others?

Labeling is one thing I am opposed to, People who claim to believe in Jesus belittling someone else claiming to follow Jesus with a different understanding of the bible is another.
563 posted on 12/04/2008 11:34:40 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Zakeet; broncobilly
Not all Mormons use the King James version of the Bible.

Actually, the KJV is in the cannon of the LDS church, all "Mormons" use it. And no Mormon uses any version of the Bible as their sole source of scriptural authority.

That is correct, we have more than just the KJV, then again, so do the Catholics...
564 posted on 12/04/2008 11:39:39 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Enosh
DU: “Jews say they are people, The Nazis said they were not. Mormons say they are Christian...”

Enosh: Exactly what I thought. You would equate anyone you deem ‘anti-mormon’ with being a Nazi. In your mind “You are not in the same religion as me” and “You are not in the same species as me” are somehow the same statement.

If you jump to conclusions you'll just have to swim back <-- Quote

I did not say that, you thought I would so that is what you heard. In my mind we are both christian, don't give up your day job and mind reading is not allowed on this forum.

Enosh: I can see, then, how you were so easily duped by your false prophet.

If I am wrong than I am found a false witness of God and am in good company 1 Cor 15:12-30

you might want to read my testimony and tell me just how I was deceived.
565 posted on 12/05/2008 12:00:05 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
DU: We consider the Nicene Creed to be the prime example of this Apostasy.

LC: Then give us a MORMON, point-by-point analysis of the NC to SHOW us just WHAT is so heretical about it.

We have done this before, go look at your history and you'll find this on threads we have been on before, I'll give you a hint Homoousios.
566 posted on 12/05/2008 12:05:10 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
DU: It is my humble opinion that you don't know much about my church.

LC: It is my humble opinion that you DO know much about your Organizations history, and do NOT wish to have to defend it.

LOL, first, I find it hard to believe you have a humble opinion.

Second go read My Page on FR apparently you haven't before, it exists because I defend my faith.
567 posted on 12/05/2008 12:08:24 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie; restornu; sevenbak; Reno232; All
DU: Elsie, I know Jesus, and you are not Jesus Christ.

LC: But I can speak for Him.

I know you think that, but you do so at your peril.

Please tell me Elsie, how you obtained the gift of speaking for Jesus, tell us all how you became his prophet. We're waiting.
568 posted on 12/05/2008 12:13:40 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
Just WHEN did Jesus become divine?

I have answered you twice, good luck with that third time thingy.
569 posted on 12/05/2008 12:14:58 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
So; you now admit that Joseph Smith was wrong?

You sir either have a strange sense of humor or a very low IQ.
570 posted on 12/05/2008 12:16:11 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
DU: Before anything was created... (Jesus is the creator of all things.)

LC: Ok... When did God, the FATHER become divine?

It was before my time (pun fully intended).
571 posted on 12/05/2008 12:17:52 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
LC: Point to some HATE that we can see!

DU: There truly are none so blind...

LC: So... you can't find any either. Thanks.

Randomly pick any three of your posts, I am sure you will find what you seek, if you look hard enough.
572 posted on 12/05/2008 12:20:24 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

/so, when are you going to stop what you are doing now and start with the sound doctrine?
573 posted on 12/05/2008 12:21:48 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
DU: Slash and burn evangelism at it's very best.

LC: There are no more empty Utah's to escape to, so you folks will just have to take a stand anywhere the fight is.

LC, I am sure if you look you will see the threat in your words. Heaven help you if you "attack" the Mormons and they decide to fight where they stand, take your threats of violence somewhere else.
574 posted on 12/05/2008 12:25:34 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Enosh

I have no idea what you were trying to say... Mulligan?


575 posted on 12/05/2008 12:36:44 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Zakeet
I have found Utah Lighthouse Ministry far more credible than the LDS Church



Yeah yeah, nine versions, all either by people who heard and wrote later or discarded attempts to record what he saw before he got a version that did it justice (the official version is here). It's funny, Joseph Smith had a third grade education, yet "wrote", OK Dictated the Book of Mormon in one shot with no corrections, should have gotten his account of the first vision down in one shot, and yet you bring up his youth an ignorance every opportunity. You know there are several versions of the Gettysburg address that were discarded, does that make you think less of that address?

The Salamander letter thing again? The tanners initially liked it and it is the source of all the "folk magic" and "gold hunter" crap being spouted today. The tanners even complained that placing it in a vault while it was studied was "suppression of evidence", now they claim they tried to warn us, LOL! and worse, you believe them!

Do I need to show instances from the bible where prophets were tricked? This is such a tired line of reasoning.

It's actually very simple, all people have to do is ask god as I have and they will know the truth without all this mumbo jumbo he said, she said crap that is going on on this thread.
576 posted on 12/05/2008 1:05:47 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Jibaholic; Reno232
If you are truly interested in seeking the truth I would suggest you read through websites like this. I am not interested in investing the time that it takes to have a scriptural debate on Mormonism.

LOL! Please go read this website, I want to bash your religion without having to answer embarrassing questions...
577 posted on 12/05/2008 1:08:23 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: brytlea
Let's start with Jesus and Satan and men all brothers, here is a section of my page here on FR Do Mormons Believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?, then when you have read that FM me and ask any questions you have. then once we have addressed what Mormons believe on this "brotherhood thing" we can start to discuss the Godhead of LDS faith. For that I would ask you to read the first article of faith

you can also explore Mormons.org and read some of the articles there, also they have a live chat, so you can ask questions there anytime.
578 posted on 12/05/2008 1:19:54 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: colorcountry; greyfoxx39
I asked Delphi yesterday what he thought constituted “persecution.” I guess to him it means when you hurt his stupid feelings.

People said people were not attacked here, I said they were, examples were requested, and given.

Thanks for illustrating better than my examples,
579 posted on 12/05/2008 1:24:40 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: colorcountry
thanks :-)
580 posted on 12/05/2008 1:25:31 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Hmmm....so what are all the other Churches in this country and throughout the Christian world if they are not God's church, as you imply here? Just curious.

IMHO Orthodox Christianity lost it's way long ago.
B Many tried to "fix it" great men trying to do a great work. They lacked the authority to do so because God did not call them to that work. God did not call them to the work because it was not yet time.

Now we have the fullness of the gospel on the earth, we wish to share it with all who will listen and see if they cannot feel the Holy Ghost testifying to them that it is true. We do not think we are "better than" anyone, we just found God's church first. We do not look down on our Orthodox Christian friends, most are doing their level best with what they know. a few fight against the church of God and I fear for their souls.
581 posted on 12/05/2008 1:32:19 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Colofornian
DU: Just a quote to ponder: "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." - Thomas Jefferson. [DU]

Colofornian: So, now T.J. is your latest spiritual giant, Delf? Tell, you what...if you're goin' to use your quote above everytime you want to continue the grand Mormon tradition of labeling us apostates (one & all), corrupt (one & all), and abominable (one creed & all)...then why don't you also keep the following T.J. quote handy as well. Then, everytime you meet a theist (vs. the polytheists that Mormons are), you can just whack them o'er the head with T.J.:

It was just a cool quote, but apparently something got your panties in a twist.
582 posted on 12/05/2008 1:35:55 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Colofornian
So. Are you trying to tell us, Delf, that Hinckley knew about 911 ahead of time? Or that your current "proph" has God's next storm already relayed to him? Remember, now, that your wooden, literal interpretation mandates that the Lord can't do a thing minus telling your "prophet."

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Sigmund Freud

God does not always override the weather to rain on your parade, sometimes it's just going to rain and he lets it happen.

God does not tell the prophet before he answers every prayer either.

Give me a break, Delf. Your god is a man! (Joseph Smith repeatedly said so!)

Consider yourself broken the God was man thing is so over blown, tell me mister Trinitatrian, was Jesus fully God and Fully Man? (see! you believe God was a man...)

Your god died! (Joseph said so!) He was physically mortal BEFORE he ever became divine! That's your revelatory god!

So your God did not die? How was your version of Jesus resurrected without dieing?

How did you reversion of Jesus break the bands of death and hell without "going there"?

Besides that, look at how Joseph Smith as a mere man repeatedly contradicted God's revelations from the Bible:

Oh please the Bible is full of contradictions, you cannot agree with all of it because some other part disagrees. for example please tell me from the Bible, exactly how Judas died, no guessing at stuff that's not there please.

So, Smith called the prophet Isaiah a liar! Isaiah clearly talks about winged angels in Isaiah 6!

Remember the "wooden" interpretation you attributed to us? Wings on angels are a denotation of the ability to fly, which angels clearly can do, however, they don't necessarily have big ol white wings sticking out of their backs, it would kind of make them obvious, don't you think?

(Sorry, Joe. Adam is NOT Michael the Archangel! And, no, Adam is NOT the "ancient of days"...you'll need to study the Bible a bit more to unravel that, LDSaints)

Got proof? or are we supposed to take your word for it :-)

[Hey wait a minute! Did the Lord raise ALL the saints or not?

Was David a murderer a saint?

I mean, surely you're not gonna want to back off your interpretation of Amos 3:7 now that you've walked out so far to defend it, right?

I don't believe I was the one to bring up Amos 3:7 As to Joseph smith seeing the coming of the lord, he was killed, first, remember? he didn't live to be 85, so he didn't see the face of the son of man coming in the clouds (you kind of left that part out).

The part about Joseph not living to be 85 proving that it was a false prophecy, well all I can say is work on the reading comprehension, ya missed a few details that were important (like an if) and you know and I know that God knew Joseph was not going to live that long.)
583 posted on 12/05/2008 2:01:39 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Reno232
I have found them to be malinformed, disingenuous, & at worst, sometimes very dishonest in their reports of what we believe.

Just SOMETIMES?

I have to assume the REST of the time they are right on.

584 posted on 12/05/2008 3:29:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Paul was defending his church against threats from the inside, anti's on the other hand attack my church from the outside.

WRONG!

You know FULL well that MANY in these threads are STILL on the rolls of the church, or, have jumped thru many hoops to get OUT of it's clutches.

To infer that ALL folks who have seen the Light are OUTSIDE, therefore UNKNOWLEDGEABLE is, on it's face, a lie.

585 posted on 12/05/2008 3:32:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
 
This is how this sounds to people not raised with the trinity <-- funny video!
 
And HERE is how NON-Trinitarians are fed the LDS' Organizational line:
 

 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

586 posted on 12/05/2008 3:35:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Hmmm....so what are all the other Churches in this country and throughout the Christian world if they are not God's church, as you imply here?

Imply?

:IMPLY!!??

Read the LDS Organizational publication - The Book of Mormon - 1 Nephi chapter 14.

Nothing is IMPLIED there!

 

 
 

THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 14
 
 

 
587 posted on 12/05/2008 3:40:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
"Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose that 225,000 of you may become gods" (from speech published in the official LDS publication, The Ensign, November 1975, 1980).

You.. you... You ANTI you!!!

You KNOW that Kimball was speaking as a mere MAN here!!!

He was NOT speaking as a Living Prophet®!!

--MormonDude(WHY do you guys HATE us so? Is it because you are BIGOTS??)

588 posted on 12/05/2008 3:43:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
We do not look down on our Orthodox Christian friends, most are doing their level best with what they know.

I'll be sure to inform our pastor this weekend that he doesn't know much.

589 posted on 12/05/2008 3:46:56 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Colofornian
(What part of 1 Cor. 13:9 is a mystery to you? For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.)

Oh!

NOW I geuss you are saying that even St. JAMES was wrong!!??

--MormonDude('part' my BUTT! We can know it ALL!!! James 1:5)

590 posted on 12/05/2008 3:47:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232
BTW, it’s obviously not a new one at all.

Neither is the fact that JS listened to two deceiving spirits - thus the LDS Organization®.

591 posted on 12/05/2008 3:48:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Marysecretary
I have no problem with any of it until they call themselves Christians.

It not THIS that bugs me (though it does) but the fact that HEADQUARTERS has NEVER rescinded what they think of CHRISTIANS and the CHURCHES that they belong to - yet NOW, they, too, want to known as 'christian'.

592 posted on 12/05/2008 3:51:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Franchise to decide who is or is not a Christian, therefore it is really just a matter of your word against theirs.

On the other hand, the START of their religion is two luminous spirits words against GOD's word!

593 posted on 12/05/2008 3:53:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232
Wow! Such a long post & yet you still didn't address all the scriptures I cited about works.

(He's channeling DU! ;^)

594 posted on 12/05/2008 3:54:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Scotswife
Go ahead and have pity for the “f you!” crowd along with all their hatred, profanity, and vulgarity.

Strange - the ARTICLE linked to at the START of this thread says...

At a pro-gay-marriage rally in Los Angeles after the vote, chants of “Mormon scum!” were reported.

595 posted on 12/05/2008 3:58:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
There are error in the bible, but they are the fault of men, even men who did their best are not perfect for there is only one perfect, and he has not yet returned to us.

Yup!

That's what YOUR Organization claims!


 
 


 
 

Oh... in my BoM 1981 edition, on the page with the introduction (4th sheet from front) has these lines...
 
"The record is now published in many languages as a new and additional witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that all who will come unto him and obey the laws and ordinances of his gospel may be saved.
 
Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: "I told the brethern that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."
 
Then I find, just 4 pages past that, under A BRIEF EXPLANATION ABOUT  THE BOOK OF MORMON, I found this at the bottom of the page...
 
About this edition: Some minor errors in the text have been perpetrated in past editions of the Book of Mormon.  This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith.
 
 
Interesting!

596 posted on 12/05/2008 4:00:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Actually answering questions is not on the anti agenda.

HA Ha ha!

You are channeling Millet now!

597 posted on 12/05/2008 4:01:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Now you didn't take those 2 verses out of CONTEXT - did you??


598 posted on 12/05/2008 4:04:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Labeling is one thing I am opposed to, People who claim to believe in Jesus belittling someone else claiming to follow Jesus with a different understanding of the bible is another.

NOW you dis your FOUNDER!!

Your Bishop WILL be calling you!!

599 posted on 12/05/2008 4:05:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
you might want to read my testimony and tell me just how I was deceived.

How is unimportant.

Why you REMAIN deceived is the question SOMEone will ask you.

600 posted on 12/05/2008 4:06:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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