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An Ugly Attack on Mormons
article.nationalreview.com ^ | December 3, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804

An Ugly Attack on Mormons

The easiest targets for an organized campaign against religious freedom of conscience.

By Jonah Goldberg

Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife’s purse and then the man’s wallet for any cash. Cackling, they smash the daughter’s piggy bank and pinch every penny. “We need it for the Wall Street bailout!” they exclaim.

No? Maybe you saw the one with the two swarthy Muslims who knock on the door of a nice Jewish family and then blow themselves up?

No? Well, then surely you saw the TV ad in which two smarmy Mormon missionaries knock on the door of an attractive lesbian couple. “Hi, we’re from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!” says the blond one with a toothy smile. “We’re here to take away your rights.” The Mormon zealots yank the couple’s wedding rings from their fingers and then tear up their marriage license.

As the thugs leave, one says to the other, “That was too easy.” His smirking comrade replies, “Yeah, what should we ban next?” The voice-over implores viewers: “Say no to a church taking over your government.”

Obviously, the first two ads are fictional because no one would dare run such anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim attacks.

The third ad, however, was real. It was broadcast throughout California on Election Day as part of the effort to rally opposition to Proposition 8, the initiative that successfully repealed the right to same-sex marriage in the state.

What was the reaction to the ad? Widespread condemnation? Scorn? Rebuke? Tepid criticism?

Nope.

The Los Angeles Times, a principled opponent of Proposition 8, ran an editorial lamenting that the “hard-hitting commercial” was too little, too late.

(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
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To: Marysecretary
BTW, bearing false witness is in the 10 commandments....part of your religion, no?

Defend your HONOR! Gentile WOMAN!!

751 posted on 12/05/2008 1:30:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
You may, but can you?

Let me try...

Uh...

Grunt...

Ergg...

Delfi will type - I said - You said - soon!

752 posted on 12/05/2008 1:32:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
“Translation: we Mormons are getting TIRED of this thread. Let's see if we can steer it to a Catholic/Protestant fight.”

Translation: We should only bash Mormons, and not let the light shine on the hypocrisy of the rest of us and some of the disgusting past of YOUR own religions.

Must be nice in a world torn apart by extremists who want to kill us that some of you can only go after Mormons DAY AFTER DAY. It's getting OLD. What the hell are you afraid of, that they might have some food stored?

753 posted on 12/05/2008 1:34:02 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: DelphiUser
I quoted from NASB. You may have a cookie for Bible Gateway to use the KJV. The NASB is one of the most accurate translations, certainly more so than the Mormon bible.
Note that this is one place where Satan actually told the truth to sneak in the lie about not dying. The sin was disobedience not wanting to be like God we are commanded to emulate him.

Ah, but disobedience of what? Original sin goes deeper than eating a piece of fruit. The sin was pride: wanting to be like God. Eve didn't want the fruit; she wanted to be like God.

754 posted on 12/05/2008 1:34:20 PM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Elsie
LOL...

No, it's U said

755 posted on 12/05/2008 1:34:20 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Marysecretary
He had a human son born of a virgin. That’s all I need to know.

Yep Jesus was Fully God and Fully man. If that's a problem for you, fine, have a problem.
756 posted on 12/05/2008 1:34:55 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

You’ve probably seen many times when I TRIED to get it, but someone else managed to slip in on me.


757 posted on 12/05/2008 1:35:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232
The former is the Church of the Lamb, and the latter, no matter how well intentioned, is a counterfeit.

So true!

758 posted on 12/05/2008 1:36:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AuntB
I don’t read your posts, but perhaps they will influence your crew of Mormon bashers.

Nah... we don't read 'em either; but prefer to get out stuff directly from things that LDS, Inc. SLC, has published.

759 posted on 12/05/2008 1:38:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AuntB
...you can only go after Mormons DAY AFTER DAY. It's getting OLD.

And yet, THEY keep coming back for more!!

Talk about a target rich environment!

760 posted on 12/05/2008 1:40:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry

There ya go!

I tried, but couldn’t!

I guess I need a bigger hat!


761 posted on 12/05/2008 1:41:07 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I’ve heard it said that you are ALL hat and no cattle. lol...


762 posted on 12/05/2008 1:43:11 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Marysecretary
No, I would not agree with that Delphi. Sad, i had hoped I'd finally figured out your problem with us, I guess you just didn't manage to say what you meant.

I know Mormons are good people but your teachings from Joseph Smith are really off the wall and just plain wrong.

Neat opinion, but I have received a witness from God and I trust him far more than I trust you.

A christian needs only one book, the Bible, not some other book written by god knows who.

You are aware I suppose that the Bible is short for Biblia, or a collection of books, and that this collection was organized by the Catholics, and they excluded books quoted by Jesus and all the apostles (the book of Enoch for one), thus the Bible is not all the word of God. IMHO anyone who tries to limit God's word is running from not toward God.

A Christian needs a personal relationship with the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. He has to be invited to come into one’s life to reside there. I pray that’s true for you. Mary

I have a personal relationship with my Lord and Savior, and I am working to make it closer every day.

Go with God but stop condemning us just because we have a different understanding of him, for I assure you he does not, we have just as much claim on his grace as anyone.
763 posted on 12/05/2008 1:55:29 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: colorcountry
Then you are the pansy that I thought you were.

Whatever. (great debaters everywhere are amused that "pansy" is your debate tactic of choice yours truly is a dizzying intellect.)
764 posted on 12/05/2008 2:00:10 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

It is polite for you to make fun of my intellect, but calling you pansy is persecution? ....rrright!!

You are entertaining, if nothing else, DU (or is it AND nothing else.)


765 posted on 12/05/2008 2:02:38 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: DelphiUser
Here are some other books & the like talked about in the Bible but conspicuously missing:

Ex. 24: 7 took the book of the covenant.
Num. 21: 14 book of the wars of the Lord.
Josh. 10: 13 (2 Sam. 1: 18) book of Jasher.
1 Sam. 10: 25 Samuel . . . wrote it in a book.
1 Kgs. 11: 41 book of the acts of Solomon.
1 Chr. 29: 29 book of Samuel the seer.
2 Chr. 9: 29 book of Nathan the prophet.
2 Chr. 12: 15 book of Shemaiah the prophet.
2 Chr. 13: 22 acts of Abijah . . . in the story of the prophet Iddo.
2 Chr. 20: 34 book of Jehu.
2 Chr. 33: 19 written among the sayings of the seers.
Matt. 2: 23 spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
1 Cor. 5: 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle.
Eph. 3: 3 as I wrote afore in few words.
Col. 4: 16 read the epistle from Laodicea.
Jude 1: 3 when I gave all diligence to write unto you.
Jude 1: 14 Enoch also . . . prophesied of these.

766 posted on 12/05/2008 2:04:23 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Marysecretary; DieHard the Hunter
I like the Mormons, too, Diehard. I just don’t agree with their beliefs as being ‘Christian.’

It's not your call,you don't get a vote, Jesus didn't ask you to judge, get it?
767 posted on 12/05/2008 2:04:39 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: AuntB
thanks, AuntB, long time no see.

I hope you are doing well and that your plans for Christmas's are merry and smooth.
768 posted on 12/05/2008 2:07:23 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Colofornian
(Is that "reality" talking, DU? If only God has a "realistic" appraisal, then perhaps, just perhaps, the free counsel you just gave MS wasn't based upon "reality"...because according to your own doctrine you just preached, you also are in no position to tell MS what "reality" is, for you are not God...If reality is so relative, why would MS even bother to consider your inherent unrealistic perspective?)

you are in no position to tell me what reality is... <Grin>

I can point out that the person I have run into out on the mountainside is just as lost as I am without knowing where I am. I did not claim to tell her what reality was, she did tell me.
769 posted on 12/05/2008 2:10:18 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: brytlea
My post was regarding that.

Oh, Knuckle-bump?
770 posted on 12/05/2008 2:12:03 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Reno232; DelphiUser
Here are some other books & the like talked about in the Bible but conspicuously missing:

Just as the writings of your prophets in the Journal of Discourses is not considered scripture, these books mentioned in the Bible are not scripture, but deserved mention in God's Word

. Do YOU believe God had his hand in the creation of the Bible. If so, don't you think what He wanted to include is included.....or do you think the Bible is simply a creation of men who had apostacized, and if so, why believe in anything the Bible says at all?

771 posted on 12/05/2008 2:17:21 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: DelphiUser


I hope you are doing well and that your plans for Christmas’s are merry and smooth.”

Very well, Dephi, thank you. Have a blessed Christmas!


772 posted on 12/05/2008 2:20:58 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Reno232
You once again further show your ignorance of our beliefs by stating that “It's a near-universalism where just about everybody will have their own kingdom.” Not everyone will have their own kingdom...

Listen, if I had meant this the way you interpreted it, (and then you could have chastised me for it), it would have come out as "everybody will have their own planet." (I didn't say that...'cause I know LDS don't believe that)

I specificially said "kingdom" -- as in "degrees thereof":

From the official LDS Web site: Telestial Kingdom: The lowest of the three degrees or kingdoms of glory in heaven. The scriptures compare the glory of the telestial kingdom to the glory of the stars.

So, here even your own church body compares the (made-up) "telestial kingdom" to stars plural, yet you "bop" me as being "ignorant." I ask you, if I said, "When you go home at night..." (even if you rent), do you respond, "It's not my own home?" (No) People consider where they live as their "own" home -- even if they are renters. If they do that now, how much more so re: their after-life residence?

Titus 1:16...in works they deny him

Let me ask you something: If you are married (or plan on getting married), did a laundry list of good works justify yourself as the one to marry to your spouse? (Was "good works" the primary quality that your spouse saw in you as being marriage-able...or if it hasn't happened, yet, is this what you think single women (assuming you're a man) are looking for in a partner?

In both passages you cited, Titus 1:16 and in Matt. 25, the works done by men either denied God as their Lord, (in Matthew 25, it was denial by omission). In Titus 1:16, what were they guilty of? (being abominable, and disobedient...) Now, apply that to a man who is, say, living with a woman, "pretending" to be her "husband." Let's say this "cohabiter" is both abominable and unfaithful. Does not his unfaithfulness alone disqualify him as being a "husband?" -- even if they were married?

You see, it wasn't his "good works" or even his "faithfulness" that qualified him as being her husband. (After all, I said he was her "cohabiter" -- but being a faithful cohabiter doesn't make you "married")

You see, works justify our faith just as intercourse consummates our marriage. In other words, our faith gives us the RIGHT to accomplish godly works in His strength. (And the Holy Spirit living in us, His temple, gives us the power/energy).

Works no more procure faith or salvific faith anymore than intercourse procures marriage. In fact, the act without a proper relationship is rejected by God! Yet, historically, LDS advocate salvation by works (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. I, p. 134).

Even the Book of Mormon shows very clearly that works do not save (2 Nephi 2:4; 26:25, 27; Ether 12:8,33).

And this has been long the message of the Bible: John 6:28-29; Rom. 3:28. Are we justified in God's eyes via works of the law? Paul says "no" (Gal. 5:4; Rom. 3:20; 1 Cor. 6:11).

As for Matthew 25, you assume that it was only their good works or lack of them that shaped them into "goats" and "sheep." (May I suggest another way of looking at that?) The sheep did was they did because they belonged to the Shepherd's fold, heard His voice, followed His lead, and fed and clothed and visited as He led them. In other words, they were already sheep! The goats, on the other hand, were fiercely independent -- as goats are -- ate what they wanted, and heard no voice to follow. Goats acted goat-like because they were...well, goats.

Whatever we were created as, we follow that nature (goats). Whatever we were re-created as, we follow that supernature (Sheep). Goats aren't goats because they act in a goat-like way; they are goatlike because they are goats. (The same with sheep). You keep putting the attention on the outward behavior; but the way we behave is tied to who we ARE inwardly! (by nature, and by a new nature)

In flocks & folds, goats in Jesus' day mixed in with the sheep. Now I suppose a goat might have thought they were just as sheepish as the rest, but goatlike behavior would give such pretension away.

Finally, while you keep saying I'm not dealing with good works in my response posts, I have repeatedly done so -- ultimately, because you cannot separate "works" from God's grace. Let me give you the best Scriptural example:

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (John 6:28)

Reno, you can't get any better "works" going than work[in'] the works of God, can you? (No!) They were askin' Jesus, "Bro, how can we get doin' what God's doin' so that we might work His work?"

Now how did Jesus respond? Did He give them all the things you'll find on a temple recommend list that your bishop goes over with ya? (No)

Verse 29: Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Believe in Me. That's it. Not only that, He went even much further. Jesus didn't say, "Do this work: Believe in Me." He said even this belief wasn't man's work, but rather it was God's work!!! (Later in this chapter, John 6:44, He said that no man could come to the Father unless the Father drew him...only sheep would hear his voice and be so drawn).

The sixth chapter of this book isn't the only important sixth chapter in the NT. Another one is Romans 6. So before I cite one verse from there, I want to wish you and other LDS a very merry Christmas...and as I do this, my wish and prayer for you is that you would consider all your past Christmases.

Think of your parents.
Think of you yourself if you are one.
Think of the gifts given, and how love and grace were the only motivators of parents.
No strings attached.
No expectations of tit-for-tat returns.
No laundry list of "good works" necessary to be accepted as children.
Think of the sheer purity they/you have had in giving these gifts.
Now just apply that same purity, love and grace to our Heavenly Father as you read this verse:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

Merry Christmas, Reno! Merry Christmas, LDSaints -- God loves you just as you are, accepts you just as you are, gives you eternal life now just as you are, relates to you just as you are...and out of your sheer (future) returned love for Him -- no "merit" points, no "worthiness" bonuses, no temple recommend checklist -- you return that love in the form of "good works" and obedience...just as you would act for your spouse. We do love-based good things for our spouse because we are married; we don't do them to be accepted by him/her.

And the Bible consistenly points to our relationship with the Lamb...from Isaiah to the gospels to the Corinthians to Revelation...as one of a Bridegroom of the Lamb wed to His bride, the church.

773 posted on 12/05/2008 2:30:57 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Elsie

“Let’s see if we can steer it to a Catholic/Protestant fight.”

I hate fighting with myself. ;)


774 posted on 12/05/2008 2:34:39 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: colorcountry
And how do you know these books left out of the Bible are not scripture? They sure seem to be treated as scripture by those that mentioned them in the Bible.

I believe the Bible to be the word of God & that He had a hand in those writings. If you've studied at all on how the Bible was compiled, you would see it was definitely something that man did. The compilers never mentioned direct intervention in what books would be included & which wouldn't. In fact, you may recall, they stated that the Heavens were closed to further revelation.

Question for you. Is there anything in the Bible that doesn't have a purpose? Anything that's worthless? If not, why the mention of these books if there wasn't some relevance for us?

The point is, the Lord had a hand in the writings. He was kept out of the compilation. Study up on how the Bible was put together, it's a fascinating read.

775 posted on 12/05/2008 2:36:14 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Publius804

>>“We’re here to take away your rights.”

The “Rights” referred to by the founders were Natural, Inalienable Rights, endowed to the created by Nature’s Creator.

Humans are Mammals. Mammals reproduce heterosexually.

Homosexual behavior is an aberration of Natural Human sexual instinct and morphology.

Human Homosexuality is not Natural.

There is no Natural “Right” to homosexual behavior, or homosexual marriage.


776 posted on 12/05/2008 2:37:20 PM PST by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: DelphiUser

“... Jesus didn’t ask you to judge, get it?”

Matthew 7:15


777 posted on 12/05/2008 2:39:31 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: brytlea
brytlea: I would very much like more information on that, as it has been my understanding that Mormon’s see Jesus as a man and a brother to man, but not the same as God.

and I tried to answer, with a link to where I answered that many times before.

brytlea: Do Mormon's believe Jesus was a man, not divine? (yes or no will do)

LOL! When did you stop beating your wife, a date and time will do. (some questions cannot be answered simply because the question is badly formed or based on a bad pretext.

I will be as brief as possible:

A) Jesus is the literal, biological son of God (so he was born with all the physical attributes of Godhood like immortality, the ability to fast for forty days, etc.)

B) Jesus was also the son of Mary so he had all the weaknesses of mortality. (the ability to die, feel pain, be tempted, etc.)

C) This state of being is unique and necessary no one else in the history of the world could choose whether or not to die, this was essential for the atonement must be a voluntary act of love, not a compulsory thing because he got injured.

brytlea: Do Mormon's see Jesus as a son of God the same way you are a son of God?(yes or no again)

What is the marital status of the number five (married or single?) Again your question assumes things that just are not so. again, I will be as brief as possible.

A) Jesus was the firstborn of the spirits to God the father (which is why he is sometimes referred to as the firstborn as well as the only begotten.) so yes.

B) Jesus was part of the Godhead before he created anything, and Jesus Created everything except spirits. Jesus was divine before he created time and will be after time ends so he is God from everlasting to everlasting. so no.

C) Jesus also has the special relationship of being god's only begotten son, so no.

brytlea: If you can't answer that here, fine, just tell me, but don't send me off somewhere else when the answer is yes or no. I'm sorry if my original question (using the phrase more information was probably what caused the misunderstanding) gave the impression I wanted a longer answer.

Sorry, I thought you wanted the longer answer, to me Jesus is Fully God and Fully Man at the same time.

I hope I helped and have a great weekend.
778 posted on 12/05/2008 2:40:18 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Reno232

I know exactly how the Bible came to be....through God. The history of it is fascinating....but not as fantastical as the Book of Mormon. Obviously you think God did direct Jospeh Smith in the creation of the Book of Mormon, but was unable to direct the Church fathers in the organization of the Bible. And so, ultimately you don’t believe in the Bible do you?


779 posted on 12/05/2008 2:41:20 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Elsie
(We note that you did NOT say anything I posted to you was WRONG.)

With a few glaring exceptions everything you post here is wrong. However, anyone who observes you for any length of time knows you are doing your best to be a tar baby and just walks around your attempts at ensnaring discussion.
780 posted on 12/05/2008 2:45:01 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Reno232; colorcountry; Colofornian
Nice of you to talk behind my back Reno....That's what I get for leaving the computer for an hour.

You see anger in what I post...because I call you apologists out on your prevarications and obsfucations and I do it in plain language.

Actually, I am smiling when I post, because most of you can't seem to present the mormon beliefs without editing them to hide the facts that you don't want others to see as you did in your post 655.

Tsk, Tsk...promising that Christians will "ultimately receive all the blessings the Lord has in store for them." (read as "they won't get the blessings the Lord has in store for US!...neener, neener") ;)....Smiling here, Reno.

"We believe that most will not go to hell b/c of their beliefs." (Read "they won't go to HELL, 'cuz we don't believe in hell, but they will be kept at the very bottom of the mormon "three degrees of glory, while WE will sit at the top!"

The way to avoid my "angry" posts is to simply post the truth of your beliefs, and stand up for them....you can wager that SOMEONE will challenge you when you try to dodge the truth.

781 posted on 12/05/2008 2:47:53 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Colofornian
Wow! Even though I respect your opinion, that might very well be the most convoluted explanation of faith vs. works I've ever seen. No offense intended I assure you, but how do you wrap your head around that one?

But more importantly, we obviously have very different views on the subject as many other Christians here would as well. How do you know you're correct? What makes your opinion better than ours? Definitively, why are you correct, & we (LDS & other Christians) wrong?

782 posted on 12/05/2008 2:47:54 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Elsie
Why do QUOTES from your past leaders UPSET you so?

They way 'we' say it... HA!


To paraphrase my favorite president
it's not what you post that's the problem, it's what you post that isn't so.
I have chased most of these down with you on other threads, and some with other posters, and they are all misquotes from anti sites that are either nonexistent, or taken out of context. It does not bother me for anyone driven off by your juvenile antics is not ready anyway, you do however keep threads visible by posting so for that, thanks.
783 posted on 12/05/2008 2:50:19 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Reno232; colorcountry
I’ve been down the traditional Christian path & thus have that understanding & perspective as well.

One would question the depth of that "understanding and perspective", given your comments on Christians. (Big smile! ;)

784 posted on 12/05/2008 2:50:38 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Elsie
Is THIS doctrine?

Nope, it's just a cool quote.
785 posted on 12/05/2008 2:51:38 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
I see, what we have here is a lack of common definitions.

Somewhere you fell under the mistaken impression that you could speak for us and give our definitions...

Don't call us, we'll call you, now log off and wait by the phone...
786 posted on 12/05/2008 2:54:01 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Elsie
Why does your Organization® send out so many missionaries; trying to tell folks what IT'S 'reality' is then?

Your Organization® is not GOD, either.


Perspective, like testimony cannot be forced on another, only offered. We offer it.
787 posted on 12/05/2008 2:55:34 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
you try to tell others falsehoods about us, then I'll have to set you straight.

Examples? Other than your whine about being "persecuted"?

788 posted on 12/05/2008 2:56:26 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: DelphiUser; Marysecretary

>snort!!>


789 posted on 12/05/2008 2:59:48 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: colorcountry
Name calling is a form of persecution? Really?

>Snort!

790 posted on 12/05/2008 3:01:22 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: greyfoxx39; DelphiUser
"Mormons who equate questions and disagreement with persecution need to do some serious rethinking. In my opinion, Mormons who lump those who challenge the truth claims of Mormonism with the persecutions of the past actually bring dishonor to the Mormon pioneers who truly suffered. Considering what some of the early Mormons went through, I am sure they would view with contempt a modern Mormon who whines about being “persecuted” simply because someone challenged their faith. "

Anti-Mormon: The Mormon N-Word

791 posted on 12/05/2008 3:05:46 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39
First of all, please accept my apologies for not pinging you. It wasn't intentionally talking behind your back. Have you ever forgot to ping?

We believe that ALL Christians will have the opportunity for Celestial glory. In fact we believe all mankind will. You should know that. That includes folks in China that have never even heard of Jesus Christ, let alone had the opportunity to accept him as their Savior. That's the mercy of the Lord.

As far as MY post 655 is concerned, post 655 was actually your post. Not sure what you're talking about there. See, people make mistakes.:)

You claim to know what we believe, & yet so misrepresent our beliefs it's almost beyond comprehension. But listen, I can see your dander is up again & I'd rather not be the cause of that. Let's call it a day here. I sincerely wish you the very best & a great weekend my FRiend.

792 posted on 12/05/2008 3:07:22 PM PST by Reno232
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To: DelphiUser
Is THIS doctrine?

What it the most recent utterance from an LSD president that could be taken as LSD doctrine?

793 posted on 12/05/2008 3:14:52 PM PST by delacoert
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To: colorcountry

Moo!


794 posted on 12/05/2008 3:18:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
At 14° I DO wear a FUZZY hat!
795 posted on 12/05/2008 3:19:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
With a few glaring exceptions everything you post here is wrong.

CALLING it so does not MAKE it so.

You have shown nothing to DISPROVE what I've posted; have you?

796 posted on 12/05/2008 3:21:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

You have the cattle, els....you definitely have the cattle - AND the hat!


797 posted on 12/05/2008 3:21:44 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: DelphiUser
However, anyone who observes you for any length of time knows you are doing your best to be a tar baby and just walks around your attempts at ensnaring discussion.

No problem; I'll just continue to post your Organizations output and let the chips fall where they may.

798 posted on 12/05/2008 3:22:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
it's not what you post that's the problem, it's what you post that isn't so.

There you go again!


799 posted on 12/05/2008 3:23:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
I have chased most of these down with you on other threads, and some with other posters, and they are all misquotes from anti sites that are either nonexistent, or taken out of context.

Ha ha!

SHOW us MISQUOTES!!


800 posted on 12/05/2008 3:26:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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