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To: DelphiUser
Please explain to me why men need to settle Theological disputes and not God.

Because otherwise wolves in sheeps' clothing will lead people astray. That is what Paul fought against.

Please explain to me how men, without God's assistance settle these disputes.

Of course we need God to be in control. It is the internal witness of the Holy Spirit that equips believers to fight against heresies.

Last question is someone who believes in Jesus, but has a diff rent understanding than you do "passing themselves off" or do they really believe?

They believe in something that is false - that does not come from God. Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will go to heaven.

321 posted on 12/03/2008 2:06:59 PM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Jibaholic
DU: Please explain to me why men need to settle Theological disputes and not God.

Jibaholic: Because otherwise wolves in sheeps' clothing will lead people astray. That is what Paul fought against.

Paul was defending his church against threats from the inside, anti's on the other hand attack my church from the outside.

To me you are an ill disguised wolf.

DU: Please explain to me how men, without God's assistance settle these disputes.

Jibaholic: Of course we need God to be in control. It is the internal witness of the Holy Spirit that equips believers to fight against heresies.

Perhaps then you are not aware that I am following the Holy Ghost, it is what lead me to be a Mormon. You should read my testimony, please also understand the I am not attacking anyone else's religion, merely offering to share my own faith and defending against attacks on my own. If I were to attack, even under the strictures of this forum, i would have many more enemies here and create much more of a commotion, I know where too many of the "bodies are buried" for too many religions.

DU: Last question is someone who believes in Jesus, but has a different understanding than you do "passing themselves off" or do they really believe?

Jibaholic: They believe in something that is false - that does not come from God.

Yes, those who follow the Nicene Creed are indeed following something that is not from God. The "Creed" was created by a council of men presided over by a sun worshiping emperor who wanted to make Christianity more palatable to his people, please don't believe me on this, Go and read the account in the Catholic encyclopedia on line

Since that is too much for some, here is an excerpt from my page:

Mormons believe that one of the places that we can most easily see the apostasy happening is the first council at Nicea which was convened to reconcile the Arian controversy So Constantine could use this new "Christian" religion to unify his fractured Roman Empire The Trinity was the creation of a pagan emperor named Constantine, who called the first council at Nicea and with a combination of bribes, and threats got the church to agree on a creed that all of Rome could unite behind. This was his expressed purpose according to records he had kept of the event.
Finally Constantine, having conquered Licinius and become sole emperor, concerned himself with the re-establishment of religious peace as well as of civil order. He addressed letters to St. Alexander and to Arius depreciating these heated controversies regarding questions of no practical importance, and advising the adversaries to agree without delay.
And
The Council was opened by Constantine with the greatest solemnity. The emperor waited until all the bishops had taken their seats before making his entry. He was clad in gold and covered with precious stones in the fashion of an Oriental sovereign. A chair of gold had been made ready for him, and when he had taken his place the bishops seated themselves. After he had been addressed in a hurried allocution, the emperor made an address in Latin, expressing his will that religious peace should be re-established.
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The emperor began by making the bishops understand that they had a greater and better business in hand than personal quarrels and interminable recriminations.
Lastly
St. Athanasius assures us that the activities of the Council were nowise hampered by Constantine's presence.
Now let's put all this in the context of the day. Constantine had just finally put down the other military leaders of a fractured empire. In spite of Christianity being illegal, it had grown in popularity (or maybe even because it was illegal) Constantine sends letters to these bishops (who are under a death sentence just for being Christians) and invites them to a conference, moreover, he puts "Public transportation" at their disposal to get to the conference with. (Public transportation means military horses and Chariots, there was no bus)

Now on top of all this he tells them that one of the topics of the conference will be making the Catholic church the sate church of Rome.

Carrot and Stick are now clearly (I hope) visible to all who read this.

The bishops meet and Constantine tells them to come to a consensus on the nature of God (the Arian Controversy) and when they do, he makes them the state church. However, there are a few conditions, he wants a definition of God that everyone can accept, and thus we have the Greek religions influence in to the Nicene Creed.

Mormons believe that this is the single biggest step into apostasy that can be documented as happening at an exact point in time.


Jibaholic: Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will go to heaven.

That is precisely whey I fear so much for those who fight against God's church on these forums.

Just a quote to ponder: "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." - Thomas Jefferson.
526 posted on 12/04/2008 1:47:02 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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