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Bobby Jindal and the GOP Donít Believe in Evolution
US NEWS ^ | 12-4-08 | Farell

Posted on 12/04/2008 7:05:01 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's recent trip to Iowa, where they hold those presidential caucuses every four years, leads me to suspect he may share the media speculation that he could be the Next Great Thing in the Republican Party.

It also reminded me how Jindal signed a dumb and devious bit of legislation last summer, allowing local school districts to promote alternative (i.e., religious) doctrines in their science curriculums when it comes to evolution.

Jindal is obviously one bright guy. How can he equate ancient creation myths with the hard facts of physics and biology?

One might think that the Republicans learned something from the drubbing they took in the 2006 and 2008 elections. But like Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee (and John McCain in 2008), Jindal is apparently happy to cater to the religious right, even if it means teaching superstition in the classroom


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To: muawiyah

I’ll leave those little fellows to you, since you obviously specialize in fiction. I specialize in Truth. :)


51 posted on 12/04/2008 7:57:05 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Jindal Derangement Syndrome is just over the horizon.


52 posted on 12/04/2008 7:57:39 PM PST by littlehouse36 (The legacy of legalized abortion: heartbreak, bulimia, breast cancer, eternal regret, loose women...)
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To: muawiyah
So, how you stand with Santa Claus? *********************** Me, personally, I believe he lives in the North Pole with Mrs. Claus.

Liberals and Dems believe he lives in Washington DC.

53 posted on 12/04/2008 8:00:07 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com (My amateur blog--www.wegotsarah.com)
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To: deannadurbin
So you think the story of Lot and his wife are works of fiction?

What you have is a great moral lesson that's inspired women throughout Eur-Asia for tens of thousands of years, and you dismiss it so easily.

It's in the Bible hot-shot, so it's TRUE.

54 posted on 12/04/2008 8:01:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Lot is in the Bible, not reindeer man or santa claus...what the heck are you talking about?


55 posted on 12/04/2008 8:03:56 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: muawiyah

I wasn’t referring to Lot and his wife, but your fictional characters.

Satan is a counterfeitor of Truth, so it should be of no surprise to any Christian that pagan beliefs are often reflections of biblical truths.


56 posted on 12/04/2008 8:05:54 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: doc1019
I’m one of them there crazy bible literalists.

There's nothing about intelligent design in Genesis I. God does everything by fiat. The world functions at His command, not by His design.

57 posted on 12/04/2008 8:07:26 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: deannadurbin
The story of Lot and his wife is best known from pictoglyphs prepared up to 7,500 years ago in Northern Finland and Russia.

It's interesting that it was such a good story, and so meaningful to women that it was handed down intact to the time when the Jews learned to read and write.

58 posted on 12/04/2008 8:10:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dr_lew
Not quite, God planted a garden in Eden. That means, literally, he already had the plants stored somewhere else.

So, yeah, right there's "intelligent design".

59 posted on 12/04/2008 8:11:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
So, how you stand with Santa Claus?

I just have to interject my favorite movie quote. It's between Art Carney, as a semi-retired PI, and Roger Moore, as a client who picked him out of the phone book at random, convinced someone is trying to kill him.

Carney tells Moore to get a gun. Moore says, "I don't believe in guns," and Carney replies, "... and I don't believe in Santa Claus, but he still comes every year."

60 posted on 12/04/2008 8:13:04 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Wegotsarah.com

This is only kinda relavent, but my dad always says the dianasours shows that God has a sence of humer.


61 posted on 12/04/2008 8:15:09 PM PST by lnzog (They want your money)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

“”It also reminded me how Jindal signed a dumb and devious bit of legislation last summer, allowing local school districts to promote alternative (i.e., religious) doctrines in their science curriculums when it comes to evolution.””

Okay, I’m glad you told me this was satire, because these discussions have been going on for a long time. It’s just that we want both “theories” to be presented side by side, given equal time. (that’s the best we can hope for)

As for your latter statements about trends with society/young people - hopefully, these young people will grow up, really grow up. Remember the old saying - “If you’re twenty and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you’re forty (or fifty:-)))) and not a conservative, you have no brain.”


62 posted on 12/04/2008 8:15:15 PM PST by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: muawiyah

Genesis I:11,12 ( King James .. emphasis mine )

11 And God said, LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH GRASS, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding seed, and the fruit after his own kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: AND IT WAS SO.

12 AND THE EARTH BROUGHT FORTH GRASS, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


63 posted on 12/04/2008 8:19:10 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: muawiyah

God knows the end from the beginning. But so does Satan. Just because some ancient pagan belief has something in common with a biblically true story like Lot and his wife does not disprove the existence of God or His biblical Truths.

You’d do better for yourself spiritually to study God’s Word than some old pictoglyphs that can be construed into anything. :)

Satan deceives with counterfeits. He makes things look interesting and good that are really bad for you. That’s his specialty. So it never surprises me when pagan beliefs seem to coincide or have some reflection in a true Bible account.

“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” - 2 Cor. 11:14


64 posted on 12/04/2008 8:19:56 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: mnehrling

“”A lot of us believe in evolution, it doesn’t negate belief in God. As C.S. Lewis said, Science teaches us how God created the world, the bible teaches us why.””

Wow, I LOVE that and hope I remember it for future conversations with friends. I also was raised that way (as a Presbyterian) that there was no conflict between science and religion.


65 posted on 12/04/2008 8:21:01 PM PST by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

“How can he equate ancient creation myths with the hard facts of physics and biology?”

Which hard facts of biololgy did you have in mind?

Anyway, I understand that Jindal graduated college with honors, after having majored in biology and public policy. He apparently understands that there’s no reason to be cramming young minds with the twin myths of mutation and natural selection as satisfactory explanations for the emergence of life or the appearance of new species. He’s right.

Evolution might be an adequate theory to explain how one breed of dog became another breed of dog. It’s completely inadequate to explain how tree shrews became human, let alone explaining where the first cell came from.

As one professional biologist told philosopher/mathematician David Berlinski: “Evolution? My dear man, that’s merely the party line.”


66 posted on 12/04/2008 8:22:09 PM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: doc1019
I'm with you.

And I'm sure we'll all find out who is right one day.
67 posted on 12/04/2008 8:26:59 PM PST by ScoochDude
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To: llandres

>>As C.S. Lewis said, “Science teaches us how God created the world, the bible teaches us why.”

Just goes to show C.S. Lewis was not infallible. :) There was a reason he was involved in that “Ghostly Guild”.

The Bible tells us how God created the world too. It’s in Genesis. Jesus corroborated it. Anyone who doubts Genesis doubts Jesus. Since Jesus was God if you doubt Genesis you doubt God too.

“O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.” 1 Timothy 6:20

God warned us about theories like evolution. “Science falsely so called.” Such is “vain babblings” of men who like to think they have scholarly minds, but who are really reacting to peer pressure of fallen, unsaved men in spiritual darkness.


68 posted on 12/04/2008 8:28:04 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: dr_lew

For all us fundamentalist, the Bible is a blueprint of Gods will from beginning to end. If this is so, then it is by design, not fiat. God has given us a concise and coherent path from the past, the now … and the future. Sounds like a design to me.

However, if you don’t believe in the literacy of the Bible, than I can see your point. Don’t agree, but can see your point.


69 posted on 12/04/2008 8:28:16 PM PST by doc1019
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To: GoodDay

...Jindal graduated college with honors, after having majored in biology...

That’s why the liberals are scared. Jindal actually knows what he is talking about.


70 posted on 12/04/2008 8:30:14 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Sarah Palin did NOT say that Creationism had to be taught in Alaskan schools. She did not say that Evolution was wrong, either. All she said was that teachers should be PERMITTED to explain that Evolution is a theory, and to talk about the alternatives.

Seems reasonable to me. I’m not a Bible fundamentalist, but I have scientific problems with the general theory of evolution that I think deserve some discussion. And I think the kids need to be reminded that, even after all these years, it is still a THEORY. Intraspecies evolution is not controversial, but general evolution as the basic explanation for how things are raises all sorts of statistical difficulties.

It bugs me when the secularists and leftists insist that theirs is the only truth, and that no other positions or discussion will be tolerated in our schools.

I presume the same is probably true of Bobby Jindal.


71 posted on 12/04/2008 8:30:25 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: deannadurbin
Actually, Satan and his critters have difficulty imagining events two or three steps down the road. They're like Democrats and Liberals.

So, no, Satan doesn't know the "end" ~ beyond what God tells him, if He feels like it, and I doubt He feels like it much.

72 posted on 12/04/2008 8:30:42 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: llandres

I didn’t quite understand your post. If you attributed all the words in my initial post to me, respectfully, you mis-read that post. But, in any event, please understand that I have not one thing against Gov. Jindal- I just posted what I thought was an unfair “hit” piece on him -—and conservatives generaly.


73 posted on 12/04/2008 8:30:44 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com (My amateur blog--www.wegotsarah.com)
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To: PaleoBob

“”God? Isn’t that the same fella Obama allegedly believes in?””

Well, I recall him saying during the primaries (when trying to prove his “Christianity”) that he “prayed to Jesus every night”. Well, all Christians know that we pray to God the Father (in Jesus’ name, Amen). We pray through Jesus, not TO Jesus.


74 posted on 12/04/2008 8:32:08 PM PST by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: deannadurbin

BTW, more than one pagan group in the history of mankind has come upon the notion that human sacrifice was not a good thing ~ God does talk to everybody whether they listen to Him or not.


75 posted on 12/04/2008 8:32:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dr_lew
11 And God said, LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH GRASS, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding seed, and the fruit after his own kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: AND IT WAS SO.

12 AND THE EARTH BROUGHT FORTH GRASS, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

So that Rastafarian woman I was talking to the other day was right after all.

76 posted on 12/04/2008 8:33:45 PM PST by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: muawiyah

>>So, no, Satan doesn’t know the “end”

Yes, he does, because he reads God’s Word too. Remember, “Yea, hath God said?” Remember when he quoted scripture to Jesus in the wilderness?

God’s Word tells us how Satan will end up, so Satan knows that too. That’s why he is filled with hatred and wants to destroy the people who have anything to do with preaching the Word of God.


77 posted on 12/04/2008 8:34:11 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: lnzog

You can believe in both, and you can also be wrong. The problem is people try to “figure” out God and why he does the things he has done. We are incapable of figuring out God or his plan. Just be a Christian and follow Christ, read his Word, and live in his will.


78 posted on 12/04/2008 8:34:49 PM PST by ScoochDude
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To: doc1019

It’s you that is forcing your own concepts onto the words. That’s because you feel constrained to Believe. For this to be so, it has to be something compatible with your view of the world, and apparently this doesn’t include creation by fiat.

BTW, Webster’s says that “fiat” is Latin for “let it be done”, and this is exactly the verbal formula which is repeated in Genesis I. God creates the world LITERALLY by fiat.


79 posted on 12/04/2008 8:36:15 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Cicero

“All she said was that teachers should be PERMITTED to explain that Evolution is a theory, and to talk about the alternatives.”

Nope, sorry. Government knows best. The only choice you have is abortion.


80 posted on 12/04/2008 8:36:29 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: llandres

Evolution IS intelligent design.

That is to say, parts of evolution theory. To some extent God created and within His creation He designed life in such a way that we would interpret His work as evolution.

The cult of evolution gets way too carried away and presents idiocy like we’re all just great apes.

Origins is where evo-cultists and godless liberal NEA types go completely off the rails.


81 posted on 12/04/2008 8:42:40 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: SMCC1

Jindal is magnitudes brighter than the author and Obama combined.


82 posted on 12/04/2008 8:46:20 PM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: Wegotsarah.com
Republicans only have themselves to thank for systematically alienating every single person in this country who is not white, rich and Christian (evangelical preferred).
Actually, if you put all the non-white, non-rich, and non-Christian people in one group, I think you'd get at most 20% of the population. OK, maybe 25%.

If the left thinks that it is going to stay in power by positioning itself as the party opposed to 75% of the country, well, let's just see how that works out for them in the next few years. Obama may be black, but that doesn't mean that "black people won the election." Obama won the election because a lot of white people voted for him in addition to nearly all blacks who voted.

I hope this comment is an indication that the left is going to spiral into a frenzy of identity politics because if it does, the "age of Obama" won't last more than four years (and less if you count them losing Congress in 2010).

83 posted on 12/04/2008 8:47:46 PM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: Cicero

Precisely.

Moreover, they have to sue people to be silent to get their version of science enforced. As if only atheists get to decide what is or isn’t science.

They’re not about the scientists deciding science, but liberal activist judges, godless liberal NEA types, etc.

These scientists from MIT, Johns Hopkins, Princeton etc. disagree with the cult of evoltuion and DO offer scientific alternatives but the cultists scream idiocy like ‘theocracy and burnings at the stake’ everytime they’re even mentioned.

www.dissentfromdarwin.org

Funny thing is, when you click on “scientists” you don’t see anything remotely “religious” in their scientifc views.


84 posted on 12/04/2008 8:50:02 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: BenLurkin

They hate God, successful business, self responsibility, accountability, and the foundations of this nation

I fear the upcoming 4 years very much. We have to have to win back Congress in 2010


85 posted on 12/04/2008 8:51:18 PM PST by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: Wegotsarah.com
Jindal is obviously one bright guy. How can he equate ancient creation myths with the hard facts of physics and biology?

You would have never ever seen this tripe in USNWR which was conservative once upon a time

this reflects Mort Zuckerman's stewardship to a tee

86 posted on 12/04/2008 8:51:21 PM PST by wardaddy (Monarchists for Palin 2012)
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To: mysterio
But since you have evolved a more complex prefrontal cortex, you can never experience the "ignorant" peace that most other animals feel by default.

I hate to rain on your parade, but what about Obama voters? I would say that blissful ignorance is prerequisite for casting a vote in his direction :)

87 posted on 12/04/2008 8:52:34 PM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: Mr. Know It All

Obama won for a whole host of reasons, but mainly because the press did not investigate him because they wanted him elected, and because he was more articulate and energetic than old McCain, who excited no one, and Obama promised the middle class tax breaks just like Clinton did. But just as Clinton did Obama will reneg on those promises once in office. That $250,000 ceiling will be down to $42,000 by the time he’s done with it.

Then Republicans should NEVER stop calling him on it, that he broke his promise. Republicans didn’t hold Clinton responsible for his broken promise, but I hope they learn that they need to do so this time!


88 posted on 12/04/2008 8:55:40 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: dr_lew

No, I’m just a believer in the word of God … I have never forced my ideas on anyone. I believe the Bible literally, and that is good enough for me. Consider me a fool, as most would in the world today, so be it … Jesus knows my heart.


89 posted on 12/04/2008 8:59:27 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Wegotsarah.com
Obviously, the propaganda message is orchestrated from on high-as I see this same theme in the comment sections of many websites.

These very same liberals have infiltrated this board claiming that somehow to side with the godless liberal fascist NEA is the conservative position.

What's truly comical is they make claims like they're Conservative and that they actually think we don't know exactly who they are!

90 posted on 12/04/2008 9:00:50 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: WildcatClan

I have to admit that the GOP is at a severe disadvantage if its leaders continue to be belligerent towards evolution. The Biblical creation account is perfectly compatible with evolution, and we don’t have to allegorize/mythologize the Bible to do it. Just accept the Genesis account for what it is: a Sportscenter highlight given to Moses in a vision. All the details are simplified and the timing is compressed, but the facts are still dead-on accurate (when you account for language difficulties). Nor do we need to compromise on the theological significance of Genesis: e.g. Adam was literally created by God from dust, and he and his wife sinned and ruined the relationship with God that originally existed. Naturalistic evolution does not conflict with any of this.

And unfortunately, intelligent design is not much different from creationism. It is philosophy, which is fine and can be taught as such, but it isn’t science and shouldn’t be taught in school. However, I will admit that it is irritating for teachers to promote their philosophy (atheism) when they teach evolution, but I’m not sure how to handle that.


91 posted on 12/04/2008 9:10:15 PM PST by publius_in_abq
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To: deannadurbin
Right, but the upshot of all of these things was that enough white people voted for Obama to get him elected — regardless of why, the fact is that they did.

There was another thing I realized after I posted that: Jindal's parents are immigrants from India, making him one of those non-white people that are supposedly all Democrats. The guy who posted this comment is an idiot... I guess I didn't need to point that out. :)

92 posted on 12/04/2008 9:10:40 PM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: publius_in_abq

BTW, even though I am an evangelical Christian who belives in evolution (and doesn’t want ID taught in science class), I do believe the magnitude, threat, and cause of global warming is being manipulated and exaggerated in order to push a radical leftist political agenda.


93 posted on 12/04/2008 9:13:27 PM PST by publius_in_abq
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To: Wegotsarah.com
"...Every day, more old, white christians die while younger brown people, athiests, women, etc get to vote. Are they going to vote Republican, the so-called party of God? Hell no! Republicans only have themselves to thank for systematically alienating every single person in this country who is not white, rich and Christian (evangelical preferred). That base is dying..."

Obviously, the propaganda message is orchestrated from on high

Actually, the propaganda message is orchestrated from deep below...

94 posted on 12/04/2008 9:25:15 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: tpanther
These very same liberals have infiltrated this board

********************

I actually posted a vanity thread on your point during the election. On my small website, I get maybe say, 200 hits a day. But, any time I posted a thread on FR during the election, I'd get hundreds in a matter of 15 minutes, and say 1500 through the course of the thread----and I know the overwhelming majority of those hits weren't from regular Freepers, because you know as well as I, only a few Freepers hit on a local blog.

I know Freepers are aware the Storm Troopers lurk, but I don't think they know the extent. -:)

95 posted on 12/04/2008 9:28:30 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com (My amateur blog--www.wegotsarah.com)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

You can spot them pretty quick.

They’ll contort themselves into pretzels defending:

ACLU

NEA

gay marriage

and they’re just ate up with BDS, PDS...


96 posted on 12/04/2008 9:43:41 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

oh yeah...all things Christian, separation of church and state madness...IGWT on coins...and on and on and on.


97 posted on 12/04/2008 9:44:52 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

“How can he equate ancient creation myths with the hard facts of physics and biology”

How can he equate physics and biology myths with the hard facts of ancient creation?

It depends upon your religion.


98 posted on 12/05/2008 4:49:47 AM PST by RoadTest (By their fruits shall ye know them.)
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To: Wegotsarah.com
The big bang theory essentially holds that something went bang and that the earth etc. ensued.

OK. So where did the something come from? (Whose something was it?) And what/who caused it to go bang?

99 posted on 12/05/2008 6:02:40 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: deannadurbin

You credit Satan with entirely too much wit. Guy’s a thug. He don’t need no books!


100 posted on 12/05/2008 6:04:24 AM PST by muawiyah
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