Posted on 12/04/2008 8:37:05 PM PST by Red Reign
According to wikipedia (always reliable, right?) Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.
Here are the link to the sources used in the wiki article:
1) Though Obama Had to Leave to Find Himself, It Is Hawaii That Made His Rise Possible.
2) Punahou grad stirs up Illinois politics
Back in 1961 why would anyone have cared to fake where Obama had been born and obfuscate his citizenship status?
And you are a certified expert?
Why would hundreds of thousands of Mexicans illegally cross the border?
There are a lot of benefits to being an American citizen and Obama’s mother and/or grandparents may well have taken steps to secure his citizenship.
Because over four decades ago, the Illuminati planners and members of the Rothchild family, as well as higher ups in the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, most of them 33rd degree Masons or higher, examined their astral charts and discovered that at the same time a planned worldwide banking collapse would take place, a false messiah, a black messiah, beholden to them, would arise to establish a one world order. They annointed this particular child to be their chosen One in their diabolical scheme to establish the New World Order.
Has been around for months and months. I believe we all accept the fact that Obama was born.
Doesn’t say where.
By the way, does anybody have evidence that there was such a thing as “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama?”
The wedding had no witnesses, not even her parents, and no record of the event has yet been found. The only evidence that suggests a February, 1961 date for the wedding was a document included in Ann Dunham’s 1964 divorce proceedings against Obama Senior.
Obama, himself, hints that his father and mother’s wedding may not have been properly documented. “How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore,” Obama writes in his memoir.
Michelle obama was quoted as saying Obama’s mother was “very young and very single when she had him.”
There is no evidence anywhere that Senior and Anna ever lived together anywhere, at any time. The living arrangements between the announcement of the wedding and the birth of the child were uncertain. Most likely, Obama Senior remained in his dorm room while Ann lived with her parents.
But, then again, there is no Obama documentation, beyond that in his books, and even Obama admits they are part myth.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion ... to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
Where have you been, on the moon?
Yawn.
Heard that one before...
I’m not going to argue about something that is asinine on its face.
Have fun in the fever swamp.
That is Donofrio's case. It seems to be a pretty good argument.
“That is Donofrio’s case. It seems to be a pretty good argument.”
Would making this case involve viewing his birth certificate, though? Because I think that would probably clarify the issue instantly, without need for complex argument.
Thank you for proving my point.
Get over yourself. It's a phony ass certificate. Unless there is a physician named and/or an attending nurse or other witness, the alleged birth cannot be verified. I don't care who issued it or what low bar you of proof you require. I call it phony.
No, that isn't in his argument. He's circumventing that aspect. Enough other suits are including that. With his argument, the Natural Born aspect due to British citizenship at birth, should be enough to prove ineligibility.
I think that’s what I was trying to say or get the other poster to say it. You said it best.
I am not a lawyer but I don’t see it as a good argument at all. Someone born in the US to an American mother is certainly a natural born citizen, regardless of who the father was. Even if he was born in the US to two foreign national parents, he would be a natural born citizen, just as Éamon de Valera.
Wouldn’t really make much difference... when my kiddos were born, I posted a birth announcement in 3 different cities. My hometown, the town I was currently living in and the town my parents were residing in at the time.
Title 8 has nothing to do with Title 9 and has nothing to do with race. Title 8 defines citizenship and clarifies what is a natural born citizen versus a naturalized citizen and the requirements of both. (Authorized under Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution authorizing Congress to define citizenship standards)
I’m fairly new to FR so I had not yet seen this aspect of the story. Thanks to all you FReepers for getting me up to speed.
OK, you obviously don't get it.
We are talking about two different documents.
The one posted on the web is phony, I agree, it's a forgery of a short form certificate.
The other one, the one authenticated by the State, is the original, typed on paper, registration which will be a long form with boxes for all the signatures that you require.
What we don't know is what is on that certificate, however it is authentic, not phony.
Let's suppose he WAS born in Kenya. The long form would state that in the correct box and the certificate would be perfectly legal and accurate but it would disqualify him from being President under the law in force in 1961.
There is enough actual fraud surrounding the 0bama camp without muddying the waters with calling legal, original, documents "phony".
Useful idiots like her love to tell us to have faith in government. Well, anyone who has ever dealt with government knows that it makes an awful lot of goofs, and even releases disinformation by design on occasion.
In this piece she tries to obfuscate the obvious fact that Barack Obama has never presented a bona fide birth certificate to the American public. I will repeat: A Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" is not a Hawaii Birth Certificate!
FReeper Ron Polarik has put out a scientific paper on the 'Net which specifically rebuts Politifact.com and other pro-Obama web sites by proving that the COLB displayed by them is a forgery. He carries a heck of a lot more profesional credentials in this area than the likes of Amy Hollyfield.
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