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Obama Birth Certificate Protest at SCOTUS
DCist ^ | 12-5-08

Posted on 12/05/2008 10:18:12 AM PST by STARWISE

Four days ago, Roger Bredow uploaded a video to YouTube beseeching like-minded people to come to Washington, D.C. and stand with him outside the Supreme Court.

"[Barack] Obama was born a dual citizen," Bredow said, "British, and a citizen of the United States, at birth." This, said Bredow, meant that the president-elect could never take the oath of office.

And on Friday, the Supreme Court would read Donofrio v. Wells, a suit brought by a New Jersey poker player against his state elections officer, which laid out the charges in the hopes of nullifying the election.

Today at 8 a.m., they came.

"If I'm going to be honest with you," said Bredow, sporting a floppy American flag hat that he'd promised on YouTube he'd be wearing, "I thought I might be the only person here."

He had flown in from Georgia. The other fifteen to twenty people who cycled in and out of the small protest had traveled shorter distances—southern Pennsylvania, northern Virginia—but they felt they had to do something.

The "dual born citizen" claim is the latest (and maybe strongest) attempt by Obama conspiracy theorists to argue that he can't be president, but most of the people I talked to had questioned Obama's citizenship long before this.

"I first heard about it from Phil Berg's case," said Julie Menge of Williamsburg, Virginia, referring to a case that alleges, among other things, that a 2007 state of Hawaii reproduction of Obama's birth certification is forged, and that Obama's paternal Kenyan step-grandmother Sarah was in the room when he was born.

One protestor claimed that a mysterious Muslim imam blessed Obama's birth in Kenya, and that this fact would eventually be revealed, somehow. (He cited African Press International, a bizarre web site that claims it has, but will not make public, a tape of Michelle Obama ranting about racist media coverage of her husband.)

At 9 a.m., a black minister who would only give his name as Brother Pittman led a prayer circle and a recitation of the pledge of allegiance. Pittman, who lives in Silver Spring, came as a "representative of the Rev. James David Manning," a Harlem preacher who became an Internet legend for a February sermon in which he called Obama a "long-legged mack daddy" who was "born trash."

"I've been shunned by members of my own family," Pittman said. "I tell them, do the research! Go online and look up the facts! This is all about openness and why Barack Obama won't answer questions about who he is."

There's nothing new at all about small, strange protests outside the court, whether or not the justices are at work.

While the Obama protestors were praying, a group of 16 young Christians walked up to the other side of the Court steps, strumming a guitar and lighting candles before holding a pro-life prayer vigil.

Police and tourists looked on and a very small group of journalists grabbed the Obama protestors for interviews. "This story is writing itself," said a Mother Jones reporter as he filmed the prayer circle.

The Supreme Court will announce whether it will actually consider the Obama lawsuit as early as today and as late as Monday.

If (as expected) the Court tosses the suit, Bredow will start challenging Obama's legitimacy based on "foreign money that went into his campaign."

Other protestors said they'd start contacting members of the Electoral College. Steve Brindle, who drove down from Pennsylvania, said he'd called his senators yesterday.

"There aren't a lot of people out here today," said Brindle. "There are a lot of people talking about this back home. Really, everyone's asking questions."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certificate; certifigate; donofrio; donofriovwells; enoughalready; getalife; kenya; notthisshiitagain; obama; obama2008; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; obamatruthsquad; scotus; tinfoil
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To: STARWISE
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)

You've heard people say "do not listen to what Israelis or Palestinians say in English. Listen to what they say in Hebrew and Arabic.

I wonder if the same rule applies here.

Maybe not.

Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.
101 posted on 12/05/2008 12:27:48 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: MrB

Exactly. And don’t forget lawsuits. Clog their system with everything you can think of - challenge anything and everything, on the basis of ‘fairness’.


102 posted on 12/05/2008 12:29:27 PM PST by Conservatives_Unite
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To: Drew68

This case never had a chance of being granted cert. The arguments were never even brought by the proper parties.


103 posted on 12/05/2008 12:32:42 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: Conservatives_Unite

If you really want to crash the system, sign up for every possible government program you can, even if you’re not qualified.

Those who sign you up have some sort of incentive system to qualify as many as they can, so they’ll do the lying for you.


104 posted on 12/05/2008 12:33:39 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: STARWISE
"Produce the Dog Gone Birth Certificate," a message from Dr. Manning.
105 posted on 12/05/2008 12:33:52 PM PST by Genoa
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To: Non-Sequitur

important to note that John McCain dealt with this issue straight-up — a bill was introduced in Congress to clear the matter up —

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

bill was a bi-partisan affair — introduced by Patrick Leahy.

If you are at all intrerested in the issue you should read it.


106 posted on 12/05/2008 12:36:24 PM PST by NYC_BULLMOOSE ("extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" -- BG)
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To: IrishMike

If any of the other candidates had been nominated (Rudy, Mitt or Huckster) and lost to Obama, I would have felt more sadness. McCain, I can tolerate but never liked, minimized my pain due to the non-natural-born-citizen winning.


107 posted on 12/05/2008 12:37:39 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Real conservatives in 2012)
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To: ALASKA

TOO FUNNY!


108 posted on 12/05/2008 12:37:45 PM PST by kozanne
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To: Zevonismymuse
This should have been done a year ago, first by Hillary and then by McCain.

It couldn't have been done a year ago, or anytime before the the election by McCain.

 Read this or this.  The second relates to McCain's citizenship, but the concept is the same -- first you have to prove harm, and you can only do that once harm (in this case, losing an election) has occured.

I'm not even sure who Hillary would sue in the case of the primaries -- her own Party? There are no laws governing party procedures. No,  she would have had to make a public issue of it somehow -- and alienate the Democrat's black constituency, bringing down the wrath of the press and outraged charges of racism.

109 posted on 12/05/2008 12:38:13 PM PST by browardchad
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To: deannadurbin

I do not agree.


110 posted on 12/05/2008 12:38:57 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Amen!


111 posted on 12/05/2008 12:39:35 PM PST by onemiddleamerican
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To: NYC_BULLMOOSE; All

important to note that John McCain dealt with this issue straight-up — a bill was introduced in Congress to clear the matter up —

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

bill was a bi-partisan affair — introduced by Patrick Leahy.

If you are at all intrerested in the issue you should read it.


112 posted on 12/05/2008 12:41:15 PM PST by NYC_BULLMOOSE ("extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" -- BG)
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To: SerafinQ

I agree that God’s plan is a mystery to man. I also believe that everything we choose to do and everything we actually do, is part of His plan.


113 posted on 12/05/2008 12:42:05 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: MrB

???


114 posted on 12/05/2008 12:43:46 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: STARWISE; calenel; montesquiue; Non-Sequitur; flaglady47; Newtiebacker; GBA; so_real; ...

It’s not the size of the protest that matters …

… it’s the courage to inspire others


115 posted on 12/05/2008 12:45:50 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: browardchad
It couldn't have been done a year ago, or anytime before the the election by McCain.

I did not mean someone should have sued; I meant this is part of the vetting process. The McCain campaign certainly could have and should have raised these issues, with special emphasis on the mysterious background of Obama. Hillary should have called on Obama to release all of his personal records, including his college transcripts, passport information, etc.

116 posted on 12/05/2008 12:46:35 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: real_patriotic_american
McCain can still win the Presidency when Obama becomes ruled ineligible!

With a majority of Democratic electors and a Democratic-majority House, the chances of McCain winning are slim to none.

117 posted on 12/05/2008 12:51:06 PM PST by browardchad
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To: Born Conservative
Time to move on and prepare for the future.

The words, "Move on" keep showing up on this forum.

I'd like to wait for the SCOTUS decision before I "move on."

118 posted on 12/05/2008 1:00:14 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

If Thomas, Scalia, Alito, AND Roberts all tell us that Buraq is qualified,

I’ll accept that decision.


119 posted on 12/05/2008 1:02:52 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB

‘If Thomas, Scalia, Alito, AND Roberts all tell us that Buraq is qualified,

I’ll accept that decision.”

#####

Me too.

But I want them looking me in the eye, when they do it.


120 posted on 12/05/2008 1:04:35 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: BP2

A picture (or three) is worth a thousand words. Thank you for making this important point.


121 posted on 12/05/2008 1:06:10 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MrB
If Thomas, Scalia, Alito, AND Roberts all tell us that Buraq is qualified,

I’ll accept that decision.

Thank you, MrB. Me too.

122 posted on 12/05/2008 1:10:17 PM PST by LucyT
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To: BP2

Touching post. Thank you


123 posted on 12/05/2008 1:14:38 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob; All

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams


124 posted on 12/05/2008 1:17:36 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Zevonismymuse
I did not mean someone should have sued; I meant this is part of the vetting process.

Typically, the press does the vetting -- they certainly did when it came to Bush, McCain, and even Kerry when forced into the debate by the SwiftBoatVets. They steadfastly refused to examine the inconsistencies in Obama's birth narrative, or much of anything negative in his background.

Hillary? The only time she could have done it, without alienating the black vote, would have been early on, before the primaries began, and he hadn't yet locked down that constituency. Aside from the fact that Obama was supposed to be the "future" of the Dems, and not the "present," she got complacent, as the favored candidate, and underestimated the power of the race card, O's ruthlessness in using it, and the media turning on her.

McCain? The bipartisan, media-friendly wonder? You can't be serious. Most of the stuff of McCain's attacks on Obama came from folks who dug it up on the internet; his campaign staff were obviously clueless. And if Jeremiah "GD America!" Wright was off limits, do you seriously think he was going to risk questioning anything personal in O's background?

125 posted on 12/05/2008 1:18:42 PM PST by browardchad
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To: WoofDog123

Since zero can’t provide a birth certificate, maybe he was born in a colon also? :)....


126 posted on 12/05/2008 1:22:36 PM PST by Quickgun
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To: a real Sheila

Agreed, it is a sad time for the rule of Law.
This election was about making history. That we did by making US Constitution irrelevant


127 posted on 12/05/2008 1:24:08 PM PST by ColdDecember (It is not just the BC)
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To: EyeGuy

How will you arrange that meeting?


128 posted on 12/05/2008 1:25:26 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Drew68
We don't have "first-class" and "second-class" Americans.

No one said anything about "first-class" or "second-class". But the Constitution does say: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

There are two classifications of citizens whether anyone is offended or not. Either you are a Natural Born citizen or a Naturalized citizen.

129 posted on 12/05/2008 1:31:21 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: BP2
Awesome!
130 posted on 12/05/2008 1:32:32 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: stuartcr

Figure of speech. Of course.

“Me” being the American public.


131 posted on 12/05/2008 1:33:07 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; LucyT

Thanks for the PING’SSSSSSSS Lucyt;) keep them coming, I might miss something....


132 posted on 12/05/2008 1:33:49 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT
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To: stuartcr
>I do not agree. Ah, but the Bible DOES. :) "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3,4 Satan is the god of this world, not Jesus Christ, so all unsaved people are the children of Satan. Jesus is under no obligation to offer the gift of salvation to these people TWICE. He already did so at the cross. "And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them." - 2 Chronicles 7:22 God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and God will destroy America too if she continues to fall away from God and descend into idolatry and degradation. So the election of Obama shows once again that Satan is the ruler of this world and he controls who wins elections when the people have turned away from God.
133 posted on 12/05/2008 1:34:23 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: EyeGuy

OK, but do you really think that the SCOTUS will feel that is necessary, to go on tv and publicly declare one way or another?


134 posted on 12/05/2008 1:36:07 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: deannadurbin

Yes, I’m sure the bible does.


135 posted on 12/05/2008 1:37:33 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: deannadurbin

“No matter what happens, God bless those people for having the GUTS to travel there and pray for America.”
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I agree with you. God bless those brave souls. I would have gone had I lived closer. I would rather stand with a few good men and women, than stand with the masses who do NOTHING!!!


136 posted on 12/05/2008 1:37:40 PM PST by montesquiue
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To: LucyT

Maybe somebodys mama dropped him on his head ?(8-10 times)

Lotta that seems to have happened...;0)


137 posted on 12/05/2008 1:37:45 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: STARWISE

Imagine if all the Beatle Baileys in the army said hey, you ain’t holding up your end of the oath’’ so I’m not gonna hang around. If they screw up the oath to protect an defend, then it’s null and void automatically, right?


138 posted on 12/05/2008 1:38:18 PM PST by Waco (understand the meaning of illegal???)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Makes sense to me since he is the only other one that received Electoral votes right? CO


139 posted on 12/05/2008 1:39:04 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: stuartcr

No. I don’t recall them EVER doing anthing even remotely resembling that.

Perhaps a press conference (no I don’t expect any of the Justices to attend), to take the opportunity to educate the public on the fundamental primacy of the Constitution, and the fact that its (and only its), guidelines were followed in arriving at this decision.

Yes. That is undoubtedly expecting too much.


140 posted on 12/05/2008 1:40:42 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Either you are a Natural Born citizen or a Naturalized citizen.

Exactly. You are either born in America (Natural Born) or born in a foreign country and earned (or were given) citizenship (Naturalized). Donofrio is trying to argue that there are two classes of Americans who were born in America, on American soil.

He's wrong. Our Constitution does not recognize two separate classes of Americans born on American soil. If you were born on American soil and not the child of diplomats you are a Natural Born American. Period. End.

141 posted on 12/05/2008 1:43:41 PM PST by Drew68
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To: EternalVigilance

God bless every single individual who made their way to Washington today.

May God frustrate and disempower every individual who despises their sworn oath to protect, uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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Beautifully said. I’m with ya all the way. God, deliver us from evil men...


142 posted on 12/05/2008 1:44:53 PM PST by montesquiue
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To: stuartcr
I also believe that everything we choose to do and everything we actually do,is part of His plan.

That has always confused me.

If we believe that, then the Holocaust and 9/11 were part of God's plan.

Did He not also give us free will? Some things we do please Him, some do not.

143 posted on 12/05/2008 1:46:03 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: Drew68

If you keep up with the live thread, it appears the decision about Donofrio’s case won’t be made public until Monday.

So hold on to your jollies until then.


144 posted on 12/05/2008 1:49:15 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: browardchad

I for one DO believe that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If McCain does not fulfill the requirement that the founders set forth, then I would accept that on principle. That’s where I part company with the Left. They would NOT accept the same about Fauxbama because with them, nothing is ever “on principle,” but tainted with their own emotions and illogic. In other words, I can separate my ideals, moral compass, and sense of justice from a specific political party.

As much as I absolutely honor and admire McCain’s war record, I would have been willing to see the higher courts adhere to the Constitution than to a really loyal patriot who did not fulfill the Constitution’s requirements. It’s the constantly moving target that’s driving me nuts.


145 posted on 12/05/2008 1:50:57 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: Churchillspirit

Human free will and sin are the cause of the evil things we see. God is sovereign, knows that these things are going to happen, but doesn’t interfere with our choices. There are a couple of passages to remember -

if we humble ourselves and seek His face, He will heal our nation (2 Chronicles 7:14)

and God works all things for the good of those who love him.
(Romans 8:20)


146 posted on 12/05/2008 1:51:17 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: LucyT

Yes - those code words “Move On” (dot org...).


147 posted on 12/05/2008 1:51:44 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Churchillspirit

He controls everything, but allows us free will. When we abuse that free will, stringent reaping aka karma happens inevitably, even if we don’t see it right now with our eyes.


148 posted on 12/05/2008 1:52:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Drew68
No, Donofrio is not arguing that. His argument is where Zero is concerned is that whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya makes no difference. Zero's father was a kenyan, which was a British colony at the time, and under British law citizenship was passed through the father. Zero himself said he was British at birth. So that makes him at most a British citizen and at least having duel citizenship. Either way, he is ineligible.

McCain was born to two American citizens, but not on American soil, which makes him a Naturalized citizen. Which means he is not eligible either.

That does not make either one of them a "second class" citizen, but according to the Constitution, neither are Natural Born citizens.

149 posted on 12/05/2008 1:54:37 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: BP2

Thank you for the pictures. As always, worth a thousand if not more words. The mission is clear. We are the voice of liberty and justice. Whether there are two or two million, the important thing is that we stand up and be heard...


150 posted on 12/05/2008 1:56:47 PM PST by montesquiue
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