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Supreme Court rejects Obama case
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf ^

Posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:24 AM PST by cycle of discernment

too bad


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To: ctdonath2

I am thinking the same thing after reading the entire list from SCOTUS today. I think all they ruled on was the stay itself, not the case, but I am certainly no atty.

I would love to hear from CBB on this too.


201 posted on 12/08/2008 8:15:51 AM PST by atlbelle44
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To: cycle of discernment
It is no surprise that SCOTUS wanted to steer clear of this viper's nest, especially in light of their (correct but controversial) involvement in the 2000 election. They had the opportunity to simply respect the autonomy of Hawaiian state authorities, and they chose to do so.

It really is time to move on.

Is it troubling that so much of Barack Obama's past, including his original birth certificate, has been hidden from sight? Hell, yes - if you ask me, but the truth is that this is a political issue more than a judicial one. Most people simply do not care. If they did, they would not have voted for the guy, or at least demanded that the news media do their job. They didn't, and I don't remember a huge outcry among the broader population about it.

Rightly or wrongly, the public wanted "change", and man, did they ever get it. They were sick of Bush, sick of weasel-y, spineless Republicans, and in a generally foul mood. In such an environment, the matter of Obama's record and origins took a back seat to the overwhelming (stupid, perhaps, but overwhelming) desire for something New and Different.

Well, the public got what it wanted and although we may not all deserve it, the majority certainly does. So, I've decided that David Horowitz is correct: let it go. Leave the windmill-tilting for Moonbats; for one thing they're much better at it and each new "cause" just makes them all crazier than a sack of loons.

Reality is much harder work, and much of the Left is not real accomplished at that. Let's get on with it then, and focus on formulating an effective and principled opposition rather than haggling over a technical qualification that although Constitutionally defined, has little real meaning and even less public support.

202 posted on 12/08/2008 8:16:04 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: sport
One thing for certain is that after January 20, 2009 we will see what we are made of.

I don't think we'll have to wait for January 20, 2009. My faith in the individual American patriot remains unshaken and I'm certain that the right people will step up to the plate.
203 posted on 12/08/2008 8:16:08 AM PST by mkjessup (God, guns & guts have kept America free, we still need all three. The 'Arsenal of Democracy' is 'US')
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To: America2012

I am shocked...YES, SHOCKED!

Your picture implies that Barack The Magic Negro is out to conquer the world and do for the USA what Napoleon and Hitler did for their respective countries!

How dare you?

Have you no shame?

Can’t we all just get along?

*The above advertisement was produced by the Rodney King Better Drunk Driving Academy.


204 posted on 12/08/2008 8:16:48 AM PST by Sergeant_Ronbo
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To: Pravious
I guess, now, all a DEMOCRAT Presidential candidate has to do to prove they’re eligible is to say they’re eligible, act huffy, and lawyer up when asked to prove it by citizens (those puny little people who obviously no longer matter AT ALL in what used to be America).

There, fixed it.

205 posted on 12/08/2008 8:16:56 AM PST by TnGOP (Petey the dog is my foriegn policy advisor. He's really quite good!)
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To: ethical
Wait a minute. The title says “Orders in Pending Cases” and says that Donofrio’s requested “stay” iss denied but did not appear to dismiss the case entirely. Why would it be under the “pending” section?

08A407

DONOFRIO, LEO C. V. WELLS, NJ SEC. OF STATE The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and referred to the Court is denied.

But what do I know?

206 posted on 12/08/2008 8:17:14 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: cycle of discernment

In other news, the Pope is Catholic!


207 posted on 12/08/2008 8:17:28 AM PST by Pinkbell (Liberals are only tolerant of those with whom they agree.)
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To: ctdonath2

Waiting for Leo Donofrio to post an update on his site. Perhaps as you say, the stay is denied, and another part of his case is still under consideration. I just do not know what to think since it is all over that it was denied. Period.


208 posted on 12/08/2008 8:17:59 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: depenzz

“I have said it before and I’ll say it again. “they got their marching orders from the higher ups” We are fooling ourselves if we think we have any control over this country. We are just baggage they brush to the side when it really matters. Sure they make it look like we are going through the motions but we are not important to them. Look at the things that have happened in the past 6 months, who nominated John McCain, we didn’t; no one knows anything about Obama and look where they put him; what about the bailouts (yes, the ones without any oversite)and, of course, the ones yet to come. You can’t find a handful of people in politics that will discuss illigal immigrants. The list could go on and on.”

You have summed up a number of important overall concepts that I think get lost in daily debate/discussion. My view is that the US (and probably most western european countries though I am not as well informed there) has a ‘managed republican government,’ meaning all major candidates allowed to get much positive coverage are pretty much on the same page on major economic issues (free trade, federal budget, illegal immigration, etc.). The media can demonize and marginalize almost anyway with selected/distorted quotes/depictions of their views, exaggerated scandal-type responses to any gaffes, etc.

If anyone has not caught this concept, the media has the power to destroy ANY candidate if they want to, and to elevate anyone they want as well to top-contender status. It may not be known WHO will win an election, but it is known that whoever actually has a chance of winning will be on team global. I think the obama appeal to so many large interests is that he is expected to be totally manageable - no unilateral US-doing-anything.


209 posted on 12/08/2008 8:18:25 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: snowsislander

“I imagine that we will see more details soon..”

Chat Plains Radio saying that the stay was denied, but not the certiorari= (demand for records of lower court).

Didn’t Leo file obstruction charges against that lower court judge?


210 posted on 12/08/2008 8:18:27 AM PST by Blu By U
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To: cycle of discernment

ORDERS IN PENDING CASES

DONOFRIO, LEO C. V. WELLS, NJ SEC. OF STATE
The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and referred to the Court is denied.

...versus...

CERTIORARI DENIED

We’ll either have to wait for court comments (if any), or info from Leo, to make the other pending cases better.

Donofrio, Cort, and “Dr Orly” (the attorney in Keyes’ case) communicate regularly on the cases. I KNOW Donofrio is passing on “lessons learned” to make their cases stronger.


211 posted on 12/08/2008 8:18:29 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
it took the MSM all of two seconds to report this

The media usually chears loudist when their Socialist team scores. The US Constitution team is being trashed and they are happy.

212 posted on 12/08/2008 8:18:48 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Sola Veritas

Article II states the criteria pretty clearly, but as far as I know, (not very far) there’s no mechanism to assure compliance. Or to prove eligibility. I don’t think that there’s any law to compel anyone to present any kind of evidence at all. This presents a ton of trouble to anyone trying to make a case, and it isn’t the SC’s job to sort it out for the plaintiff. We’re on the honor system here, and if something sneaks past we’re screwed. Am I nuts? That’s what this looks like to me.


213 posted on 12/08/2008 8:19:16 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: jveritas
I hope this will end this lunacy about Obama birth certificate. Now it is time that we fight Obama socialist and defeatist policies.

I'm sure they said that same thing in Iraq under Sadam Hussein as well.

214 posted on 12/08/2008 8:19:32 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I want to cry reading your post because I know it is so very very true.


215 posted on 12/08/2008 8:20:02 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: jveritas
I hope this will end this lunacy about Obama birth certificate.

Why do you want Obama's birth certificate to remain hidden?

216 posted on 12/08/2008 8:20:26 AM PST by Mojave (http://barackobamajokes.googlepages.com/obama_funny)
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To: tomnbeverly

“I guess the Terminator can be the POTUS now since Obama’s refusal to prove via his vault copy BC that he is natural born now give precedent for any future Terminator to run...”

This case wasn’t about his BC, so have faith!

This was about strictly his father’s citizenship.


217 posted on 12/08/2008 8:20:48 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: pollywog

Small point, but - Obama was not involved in any way in the Donofrio case. Donofrio sued the Secretary of State - not Obama. Neither he nor the DNC “fought” this case or went to any “trouble” vis-a-vis this case.

Berg’s case is another story.


218 posted on 12/08/2008 8:20:53 AM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: snowsislander

The stay was denied. But I don’t see anything about cert being denied, or dismissed.

Maybe I’m reading through rose-colored glasses.


219 posted on 12/08/2008 8:21:16 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
it took the MSM all of two seconds to report this

Takes ole Rushbo off the hook. So he can concentrate on selling steaks and talking about William Jefferson, democrat, Louisiana. Rush is such a great defender of the constitution, don't you know....

220 posted on 12/08/2008 8:23:02 AM PST by OBXWanderer (www.dontvoterino.com)
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To: BP2
ORDERS IN PENDING CASES DONOFRIO, LEO C. V. WELLS, NJ SEC. OF STATE The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and referred to the Court is denied. ...versus... CERTIORARI DENIED

Interesting. Imagine if the MSM that is so giddy reporting the DENIAL this morning, they then HAVE to report further if it was just the STAY that was denied.

221 posted on 12/08/2008 8:23:30 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: cycle of discernment

December 8, 2008: The constitutionalist republic of the US becomes a de facto empire.


222 posted on 12/08/2008 8:24:14 AM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: mquinn
If only we had listened to you the arbiter of all that is sane and all true purposes, we would be at Par with your magnificence....if only...JEEZ get over yourselves!
“I’ve been saying this for the past week, yea. Maybe now the FR will regain a bit of its sanity and purpose’
223 posted on 12/08/2008 8:25:11 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: rlmorel
I did not mean to offend anyone and I apologize if I did. I used the term lunacy from a political point of view and not a characterization of someone character or mental health.

The Obama birth certificate was a defeated cause from the beginning because it lacks the "beyond any reasonable doubt" proof that the man is not a natural born citizen. It has consumed a lot of energy, time, and bandwidth on this forum but the results were known from the beginning, i.e. this was going nowhere.

Now I hope that people on FR who have invested so much time and energy on this will move on and focus on defeating Obama socialist and defeatist policies.

224 posted on 12/08/2008 8:25:57 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: andy58-in-nh

“It is no surprise that SCOTUS wanted to steer clear of this viper’s nest, especially in light of their (correct but controversial) involvement in the 2000 election. They had the opportunity to simply respect the autonomy of Hawaiian state authorities, and they chose to do so.”

Given your statement above, you show that you have no need to comment on this issue at all until you actually read what it was about.

The Hawaiian state authorities had NOTHING to do with this case as this case wasn’t about his BC.

Read up on the issues, then attempt to make broad incorrect statements.


225 posted on 12/08/2008 8:26:36 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Yes I know that Leo Donofrio will NOT be at the Washington Press Conference.

There is some question as to whether Leo’s case is FULLY denied, or if just his “application for stay” is denied. Does anyone know and can clear this question up??

I do not understand if one part of a case can be denied and not the rest, but right now I am assuming that his case has been denied.


226 posted on 12/08/2008 8:26:56 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: mkjessup

Short of a civil war this constitutional republic is as the Germans would say, KAPUTT....Finished.

There is one good thing accomplished: The Weimar Republic of the last sixteen years is history.

We will get our national socialism straight up with nothing to cover the taste.

I just hope the 52% Idiotcracy who voted for this creature named Obama enjoy the plunge into darkness, poverty and tyranny.


227 posted on 12/08/2008 8:27:34 AM PST by Sergeant_Ronbo
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To: dools007

Well, let’s see - all of it?
I served in the US Army in 1966-69 including a year in Vietnam in 1968-69. Does that pass your test?


228 posted on 12/08/2008 8:27:49 AM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: ctdonath2

I think that it’s not listed under “Cert Denied” because it was an application, which Donofrio requested to be treated as a Writ Petition. If they denied the application, that means that they denied his request to treat it as a cert.

As for the “pending cases” designation, I think that the application was treated as a “pending case” - differently from the writ petitions.

Again, Donofrio didn’t file a writ petition. He filed an application and thereafter requested that it be treated as a writ petition.


229 posted on 12/08/2008 8:28:26 AM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: seekthetruth

I am left with the same question. Thanks for asking it clearly.


230 posted on 12/08/2008 8:28:42 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: ExSoldier
His crony in the Governor's office in Hawaii simply said "NO" and from that moment it was a done deal.

Let's be fair. The Republican Hawaii governor, Lingle, didn't "seal" the document or do anything extraordinary to conceal it from the public, in spite of how it was characterized by Sir Goofball, Andy Martin, and others.

She, or any other state official, would have been in violation of their own state laws and oaths of office, if they had released the document to anyone but the individual (Obama, or through an order of a court having proper jurisdiction.

231 posted on 12/08/2008 8:29:16 AM PST by browardchad
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To: PA-RIVER
Probably on his passport

It has also been suggested that he received aid for university based on his status as a foreign student. Seems likely.
232 posted on 12/08/2008 8:29:16 AM PST by Genoa
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To: Pravious

I have to admit there was still some small part of me that believed truth would conquer lies, good would conquer evil, right would conquer wrong. I know... I know, I should have forgotten all those silly ideas when more than half our country voted for Obama, but there you go.

Yeah, guess God sees fit to judge America. Well now is the time for us bitter Americans to cling to our God and our guns.


233 posted on 12/08/2008 8:30:06 AM PST by Godsgirl
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To: jveritas

What’s the initial plan? Who’s the torch-bearer?


234 posted on 12/08/2008 8:30:18 AM PST by sarasota
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To: EagleUSA; cycle of discernment; PubliusMM; LS; cripplecreek; jch10
And along with this, it is CLEAR that the SCOTUS is more interested in politics, than it is upholding the LAW OF THE CONSTITUTION.

They damn well better be.

68 million people decided that they didn't care about the Constitution...do you understand this?

The SCOTUS is powerless...completely powerless in that situation.

"Judicial Review" does not replace WE THE PEOPLE's responsibility follow the constitution. If the majority of the electorate pisses on the Constitution then all bets are off.

If the country wants an outright foreigner-Marxist, then there's nothing 9 lawyers in black robes can do will save this country.

The country was lost in little steps every year at the end of May, for the past 40 years as each new crop of propagandized seniors graduated high school.

235 posted on 12/08/2008 8:31:06 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You're going to see dozens of lawsuits challenging the validity of every law Obama signs

And your going the have a dozens of people with the term vexatious litigant branded on their butt

236 posted on 12/08/2008 8:32:28 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: seekthetruth

Calling all lawyers.


237 posted on 12/08/2008 8:33:17 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: jveritas
...the results were known from the beginning, i.e. this was going nowhere.

Which is why it shows up as "pending" on the SCOTUS web site, right?
/sarcasm!

238 posted on 12/08/2008 8:33:54 AM PST by library user
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To: cycle of discernment

Too bad? What? Are you ready to accept an obfuscatory “decision”? Someone is perpetrating a fraud in and on our nation by hiding personal information; he’s also sitting in waiting for the highest office in America and clearance for World Intelligence.

Imagine where we would be if the Revolutionaries rolled over and waved their white flags.

No one steps on our Constitution. This won’t be over until someone uncovers the truth.


239 posted on 12/08/2008 8:34:02 AM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: cycle of discernment; jacquej; All

It’s not over yet. All it will take is a lone Congressman to raise an objection on this issue when the electoral college votes are tallied next month...and state electors could also bring this matter to an ugly head in a few days.


240 posted on 12/08/2008 8:34:27 AM PST by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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What is with all the hysteria? I was under the impression that this was the weakest of the challenges and that there are a handful of others. I wouldn’t want some of you folks in my foxhole if this is what you become at the first sign of adversity. Wait for the fight to end before you call a winner.


241 posted on 12/08/2008 8:35:51 AM PST by NYCynic
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To: Owl_Eagle

Yep. This stuff is beyond nutso.


242 posted on 12/08/2008 8:36:32 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: sam_paine

I’m not giving up and I hope you won’t either.

I’ll fight Zero every step of the way whether it be weeks, months, or years. I’ll also fight the RINOs every step of the way too. I choked back my bile and voted for the king RINO this time out and look what it got us.


243 posted on 12/08/2008 8:37:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: sam_paine

I’m not giving up and I hope you won’t either.

I’ll fight Zero every step of the way whether it be weeks, months, or years. I’ll also fight the RINOs every step of the way too. I choked back my bile and voted for the king RINO this time out and look what it got us.


244 posted on 12/08/2008 8:37:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Uncle Chip
His eligibility was decided years ago. Period.

And anyone who thinks they are going to win that battle better be finding good psychiatrists.

245 posted on 12/08/2008 8:37:20 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: sharkhawk
As to the birth certificate, Hillary checked this in January (remember the State workers fired for looking in the files) and presumably came up with nothing.

Except that she is now the nominee for Sec State and is having O help pay off her campaign debt.

246 posted on 12/08/2008 8:38:59 AM PST by TheCipher
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To: VigilantAmerican
It’s not over yet. All it will take is a lone Congressman to raise an objection on this issue when the electoral college votes are tallied next month...and state electors could also bring this matter to an ugly head in a few days.

But Oprah has her show all ready to roll in the week of the desolation and many thousands have spent big bucks on this even renting out their homes. The anti Christ week cannot be stopped.

247 posted on 12/08/2008 8:39:20 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: mkjessup

I wish I had your optimism.

In my opinion, if that had been the case Bill Clinton would not have been re-elected and obama would have never made it to the primaries, let alone be president-elect.

There may be a little bitching, there may be a little complaining, but that is all.

We have no leadership to do anything else.


248 posted on 12/08/2008 8:39:34 AM PST by sport
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

To see an example where a justice dissents from the full court’s ruling on a case, see today’s orderlist — http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf — at
page 8: 08-6644 GALLARDO, GARRY D. V. TACKITT, JOE D., ET AL. (Stevens dissented from order)

page 9: 08-7060 SENATOR, BRUCE V. USCA 9.

This indicates that the SCOTUS decision on Donofrio’s application was unanimous.


249 posted on 12/08/2008 8:39:39 AM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: PapaBear3625
Well, that's a good way to put it. But another good way to put it is that on numerous occasions in our history, going all the way back to the Founders, the "will of the people" as expressed in elections often has trumped the written rule of the constitution.

A murderer elected president? Didn't matter. Andrew Jackson wasn't even challenged on it.

Supreme Court ruling that blacks aren't people? No matter. The country moved past that and ignored it.

The ultimate "constitution" in this country is, and always will be, the will of the people, one way or another.

250 posted on 12/08/2008 8:39:58 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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