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The Big Three's real union problem - (Let's ruin foreign manufacturers in the South too)
LATimes ^ | 12/6/08 | Jonathan Cutler

Posted on 12/08/2008 10:26:37 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32

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It is not too late to save the Big Three. But the solution is not to tear down the historic and heroic gains won by prior generations of UAW workers. If there is hope long term -- for the unionized Big Three companies and for the UAW -- it rests in dealing with the unfinished business of the 1980s: unionizing the unorganized transplants.

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To: GeorgiaDawg32

You just got to love liberals and their egalitarian solutions to everything: The only way to make everyone happy is to make sure they are all miserable.

You gotta love it though. Take the successful companies and put them out of business by foisting upon them the troubles of the rotten companies.


51 posted on 12/08/2008 11:05:09 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (All hail the Obamasiah! Kneel before Obamohammad!)
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To: WayneS

He is

c) environmentalist

he and his buddies simply dream of driving all manufacturing out of US and unions with their armies of useful idiot is the absolutely best tool available.


52 posted on 12/08/2008 11:06:11 AM PST by alex
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To: ilgipper
We do not need to worry about who is running in 2112

You're right. In 2112, all will be run by the Priests of the Temple of Syrinx.

53 posted on 12/08/2008 11:10:26 AM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: alex

You might very well be on to something there...


54 posted on 12/08/2008 11:12:05 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS
a + b = c (All of the Above)
55 posted on 12/08/2008 11:13:39 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: WildcatClan

Neil, is that you?

Alex?

Geddy?


56 posted on 12/08/2008 11:14:47 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Soliton

The other part of the plan (in conjunction with “card check) is trade restrictions and tariffs.


57 posted on 12/08/2008 11:20:59 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: Soliton

As far as the unions go, the law related to extortion was repealed. We are going to prop up the auto makers and the union too? Just a bad idea and typical of a government fix.


58 posted on 12/08/2008 11:24:51 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Ouderkirk

The jobs at southern auto plants pay more and have better benefits than any other jobs in the area. GM and Ford have been closing plants in the south at a fairly brisk pace the last few years. You’ll never convince someone at a souther Toyota plant (that already feels they are doing pretty well) they should unionize and risk having the plant shut down.

I think the big 2 1/2 have taken being unionized as such a status quo that the never have imagined life without the unions.


59 posted on 12/08/2008 11:31:57 AM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

“So, the solution to saving the auto industry is not to use companies that are doing better as a model to fix what’s wrong with the failing companies, it’s to make the “succeeding” companies use the failing companies’ models? Ooookay... “

It’s the crab in the bucket analogy. There is a bucket of live crabs. One crab wants out and starts to climb. The others, instead of following the crab out of the bucket, pulls it back down.


60 posted on 12/08/2008 11:41:55 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Great, let’s scare off even more jobs to China.

These times have been so weird. Someone here posted an article from Pravda about Obama that was spot on. In a few years, China is going to have more economic freedom than we do with The Messiah.


61 posted on 12/08/2008 12:16:39 PM PST by ksm1
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To: Binghamton_native

“No, destroying the non-union plants is not going to help. But, a trade policy that allows our cars to compete on an even playing field in Japan might help.”

they can’t even compete in America. but we should get rid of the two fleet rule of the CAFE standards.


62 posted on 12/08/2008 1:02:32 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: Binghamton_native

“No, destroying the non-union plants is not going to help. But, a trade policy that allows our cars to compete on an even playing field in Japan might help.”

This is a red herring. Even if there were zero trade restrictions the Japanese wouldn’t buy American cars because of the quality difference.

Why complain about a market you would never be competitive in if it were open. When Detroit starts making cars that might have a chance of selling in Japan, THEN they can start complaining about trade barriers.

Japanese automakers didn’t get a foothold in the US because fo the lack of trade barriers, they got a foothold because they were making a better product than the US.

Detroit took their American customer for granted and thus lost them.


63 posted on 12/08/2008 1:47:59 PM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: Brookhaven

I think in a true free market, you remove the barriers and let the customers decide. If not, you’ll never know what their decision really is. Further, you might be surprised at the comparative quality of American cars right now. I’ll not get into a dispute about anecdotal evidence. If we’ve owned enough cars, we all have a story to tell. I would only suggest that Consumer Reports is not the “be all, end all” adjudicator of automobile quality.


64 posted on 12/08/2008 4:28:25 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Thanks Ernest!

[Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.)] warns of filibuster of auto bailout
Politico | 12/7/08 1:19 PM EST | JOHN BRESNAHAN
Posted on 12/07/2008 7:53:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144729/posts


65 posted on 12/08/2008 6:46:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
If there is hope long term -- for the unionized Big Three companies and for the UAW -- it rests in dealing with the unfinished business of the 1980s: unionizing the unorganized transplants.

What an absurd perversion of logic. Take a stupid approach that helped in large part to provoke economic disaster and try it on a bigger scale.

What the total population of working Auto Workers (the ones actually working)?

UAW membership drops below 500,000
Union has lost more than 1 million members since 1979

Article from early 2008

Now what was the selling point for UAW membership?
Royal salaries for themselves at the expense of the other 80% of the working people of the USA; and auto company executives, of course.
The theory (and practice) was get way (financial) ahead of all other workers and stay ahead forever, based on thugism, intimidation and other illegal "muscle". And the stupid American public kept buying cars priced increasingly many times the rate of everything else.

Foreign competition? No problem. Just tax the **** out of imports through import tarrifs.

The UAW has lost 2/3 of its membership in the last 30 years, so the solution is to allow them to rebuild their numbers.

Uh huh...
That will sell in stupid America!

I don't think so.

66 posted on 12/08/2008 8:15:56 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yet another clown who has never had to make anything work other then not spill his coffee on his keyboard.


67 posted on 12/09/2008 9:38:22 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice.)
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