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Bush: Bible, evolution not at odds
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Posted on 12/09/2008 12:32:05 AM PST by marthemaria

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President George W. Bush said in an interview Monday that the Bible is "probably not" literally true and that a belief that God created the world is compatible with the theory of evolution.

"I think you can have both," Bush, who leaves office January 20, told ABC television, adding "You're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president." But "evolution is an interesting subject. I happen to believe that evolution doesn't fully explain the mystery of life," said the president, an outspoken Christian who often invokes God in his speeches.

"I think that God created the Earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution," he told ABC television. Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied:

"Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it." "The important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" he said.

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1 posted on 12/09/2008 12:32:06 AM PST by marthemaria
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To: marthemaria

I know I’m in the minority here, but I completely agree with the President.


2 posted on 12/09/2008 1:05:02 AM PST by thecabal (We care a lot)
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To: thecabal

Nah, you’re not in the minority, I don’t think.


3 posted on 12/09/2008 1:21:28 AM PST by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor; thecabal
Creationism is compatible and it's the best explanation for all.
4 posted on 12/09/2008 1:48:09 AM PST by tomymind (McCain is my President)
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To: marthemaria
US President George W. Bush said in an interview Monday that the Bible is "probably not" literally true...

Well at least we can finally dispense with the "George Bush is a Christian" myth.

5 posted on 12/09/2008 1:49:20 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: marthemaria

I agree with the President.


6 posted on 12/09/2008 1:50:57 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." Barry Goldwater)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
"I agree with the President."

As a Christian, I agree with him too.

7 posted on 12/09/2008 1:52:50 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Well at least we can finally dispense with the "George Bush is a Christian" myth.

Good grief.

8 posted on 12/09/2008 2:02:24 AM PST by MNSlim
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To: MNSlim
Good grief.

Good grief?

God tells us that He wrote the Bible. Now we have George Bush, like so many atheists, declaring that the Bible isn't "literally true".

Do you happen to know which parts of Scripture George Bush knows to be untrue? Because we weren't treated to that bit of information in the article.

Talk about "good grief".

9 posted on 12/09/2008 2:05:01 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Melinda in TN

Ok, someone gets to explain how they are compatible..please:)


10 posted on 12/09/2008 2:05:41 AM PST by Hanna548 (s)
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To: marthemaria

What is true is of the Lord, since the Lord is Truth.

We believers were able to accept the earth-shaking idea that the earth does not literally have four corners, and that “the sun stood still” for a certain period of time or moved back so many degrees in the sky does not mean that it is literally moving around the earth.

We have quite a bit of evidence that the Lord’s creation included a change in species over time, and that the age of the earth is much more than 6 thousand years or so. There’s no truth in denying geological and fossil evidence of the age of the earth, anymore than there is in denying that the earth is round and revolves around the sun in a year.

(He created Adam and Eve fully grown and they may have even had belly buttons, although I doubt it. I certainly don’t believe they were created with wrinkles or age spots, much less the equivalent of well healed scars that made them look much older.)


11 posted on 12/09/2008 2:08:20 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Melinda in TN
As a Christian, I agree with him too.

I agree with him, too.

Now, I'm sure that we'll have plenty of fundamentalist types telling us that we're not Christians, either.

12 posted on 12/09/2008 2:34:39 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Can't we all just get along? At least until I'm finished reloading?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Isaiah 38:8 was used to prove that the Bible “literally” said the sun revolved around the earth. We believe that the shadow of the sun went back 10 steps, but can now understand that the truth is that the earth revolves on its axis and also revolves around the sun.

In the same way, we understand that the four corners of the earth in Revelations 7 is not literal and that it was possible in Genesis to have an evening and a morning before there was a moon or sun.


13 posted on 12/09/2008 2:34:48 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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How did death come before sin?


14 posted on 12/09/2008 2:37:00 AM PST by GoDuke
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To: thecabal

thats 2 of us


15 posted on 12/09/2008 2:39:50 AM PST by woofie
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To: hocndoc
Per God:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)

Just because fallen man, apart from the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is incapable of understanding the things of God and the Word of God, does not negate the fact that the Scriptures were written by God and are infallible and absolutely true.

There have been many, many instances through the thousands of years since the Scriptures were completed that they have been twisted, misunderstood in the light of the limitations of the time in which they were read and understood to mean something quite different years later when science and technology made advances, denied in light of the fact that prophecies which have been fulfilled were, in years past, seen as nonsensical and impossible by people living in a time before events occurred that brought those prophecies to pass.

The fact that man cannot fathom the thoughts and words of God without the help of God and the revealing of the Holy Spirit to man of what Scripture means, does not mean that the Bible "is not literally true". God has also said:

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

You have to know God personally to understand His Word. If somebody claims that the Bible is "not literally true", then they are revealing something about themselves.

16 posted on 12/09/2008 3:03:21 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: marthemaria
Here's what I know. The bible states God created. The process is what is up in the air. Evolutionist's have their evidence and theories and creationist have their evidence, the bible, and the inherent witness in them.

Both take faith and belief. Bush is a methodist. Methodist are moderate, milqutoast, believers.

17 posted on 12/09/2008 3:25:43 AM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: thecabal

He clearly needs Ken Hamm to whack him over the head and then take a tour of the Creation Musuem in Cincy.


18 posted on 12/09/2008 3:35:43 AM PST by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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To: thecabal

I agree with The President. To all the Bush- haters, you have rejected a true man of God, humble and gracious. I was upset with his immigration policies and such, but never at the man.


19 posted on 12/09/2008 3:40:23 AM PST by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: woofie
thats 2 of us

Make that 3 and a bravo for President Bush.

20 posted on 12/09/2008 3:43:32 AM PST by cerberus
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Good Post.

Getting people to doubt the literal Word of God is the oldest trick in Satan's arsenal.

President Bush and all who agree with him do so at their on risk.
21 posted on 12/09/2008 3:54:01 AM PST by ScoochDude
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To: marthemaria

I don’t look to Jorge for wisdom and advice.


22 posted on 12/09/2008 3:56:16 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
You have to know God personally to understand His Word. If somebody claims that the Bible is "not literally true", then they are revealing something about themselves.

Yes, they are revealing that they are celebrating God's great gift to mankind of unique self-awareness, intelligence, curiosity and enlightenment.

Either God has constructed an elaborate logical mirage known as science or - just maybe - somebody was creating tall tales to explain unfathomable earthly concepts 1500 years ago.

I believe the earth is older than 6000 years and revolves around the Sun. That's what God gets for blessing a bum like me with rational thought.

23 posted on 12/09/2008 4:27:52 AM PST by MNSlim
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To: MNSlim
That's what God gets for blessing a bum like me with rational thought.

Eating from the Tree of Knowledge are ya?

24 posted on 12/09/2008 4:41:54 AM PST by cerberus
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To: Hanna548

It’s called “theistic evolution.” I think this hypothesis states that God created the world using evolution as a means to an end.


25 posted on 12/09/2008 4:43:59 AM PST by Marauder ("I won't be wronged, I won't be lied to, and I won't be laid a hand on." - J.B. Books)
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To: cerberus

Let’s make it FOUR
and a bravo 4 Pres Bush
(he looked good at the A-N game!)


26 posted on 12/09/2008 4:50:21 AM PST by aumrl (EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE.)
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To: MNSlim
Yes, they are revealing that they are celebrating God's great gift to mankind of unique self-awareness, intelligence, curiosity and enlightenment.

Well, now, exactly whose definition of self-awareness, "intelligence", curiosity and "enlightenment" are you referring to? Adolf Hitler's? Karl Marx's? Al Qaeda's? The "self-awareness, intelligence, curiosity and enlightenment" of fallen mankind has led to some of the worst atrocities imaginable. Man, apart from God, is ignorant, unwise, foolish, and gullible. Making a statement such as "the Bible is not literally true" is proof positive of all that God has said about the pitiable, sin-sick, doomed condition of man apart from faith in Him.

just maybe - somebody was creating tall tales to explain unfathomable earthly concepts 1500 years ago.<.i>

Are you referring to Scripture? I'll go back to what I said in my previous post - apart from the revealing work of the Holy Spirit, it is impossible for man to understand the Word of God. If you are referring to Scripture, your describing it as "tall tales" underscores my point.

I believe the earth is older than 6000 years and revolves around the Sun. That's what God gets for blessing a bum like me with rational thought.

God certainly gives you free will to believe what you want - even if it is contrary to His Word. There will be, of course, a day of accounting when you will have to explain to Him your rejection of His Word, but, until then, you can believe whatever you like. As far as "rational thought" goes, serial killers do what they do based on their definition of "rational thought". The "rational thoughts" of fallen mankind are frightening indeed.

But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. (Proverbs 14:12P

Here God gives us His opinion of man's "rational thought" and "self-awareness, intelligence, curiosity and enlightenment". He doesn't appear to be too impressed at all.

27 posted on 12/09/2008 4:51:36 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

So the sun revolves around the earth and was created after the earth?


28 posted on 12/09/2008 5:04:33 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: cerberus

Make it 4

His position is the traditional institutional Christian one, from St. Augustine on. If Mr. Bush is no Christian, then there have never been many Christians.

And he is indeed a good and decent man.


29 posted on 12/09/2008 5:05:46 AM PST by buwaya
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To: thecabal

Whatever respect I had for President Bush is gone.

I believe he’s a Christian, but what kind of Christian witness is he doing by denying that the Bible is not 100% true? What a disheartening comment to make to your political base. At this low point in his political career, I think he’s looking to obtain favor with the liberal presidential historians.


30 posted on 12/09/2008 5:07:47 AM PST by reaganbooster
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
"God tells us that He wrote the Bible."

He used a typewriter. :-)

31 posted on 12/09/2008 5:08:04 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Will President Bush be more likely to go to Hell for saying this?


32 posted on 12/09/2008 5:09:34 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Marauder

All of creation are a means to Gods ends, including all natural processes.

Back in the day it was considered an act of faith to explore these natural processes as a way to understand the will of God. There are a lot of Lunar craters named for scientists who were also clergymen.


33 posted on 12/09/2008 5:10:20 AM PST by buwaya
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
39. Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking non-sense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.

If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although 'they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.' - St Augustine of Hippo

34 posted on 12/09/2008 5:10:32 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (No Christian will dare say that [Genesis] must not be taken in a figurative sense. St Augustine)
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To: marthemaria
I believe that Science will ultimately answer every single measurable, verifiable question in the universe.

And, when Scientists solve the very last, final problem they will determine, scientifically, that the reason the universe exists at all is because God created it.

And God will smile.

35 posted on 12/09/2008 5:13:22 AM PST by paulycy
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To: thecabal
I agree as well.

I think that evolution is the best current explanation as to HOW God made what we see around us.

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36 posted on 12/09/2008 5:14:24 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: reaganbooster

He’s as much a Christian as I am (Catholic), and a better one most likely.

He’s not saying it isn’t true either. He has the traditional Christian opinion (see St. Augustine). Which is not liberal in the slightest.

I thought we on this side had the big tent, wheres that gone ?


37 posted on 12/09/2008 5:14:39 AM PST by buwaya
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Article: US President George W. Bush said in an interview Monday that the Bible is "probably not" literally true...

Well at least we can finally dispense with the "George Bush is a Christian" myth.

Well, pretty much every Christian Scholar agrees that not everything in the Bible is literally true. A great deal of it is literally true, but not all. Doesn't mean the rest is false, since the Bible contains several different writing styles.

As for evolution being compatible with the Bible, I disagree with Bush.

38 posted on 12/09/2008 5:14:47 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: buwaya

Indeed. God’s glory is on display all around us: why we God give us curiosity and wonder if not to explore and seek truth? Intellect is a gift from God.


39 posted on 12/09/2008 5:15:44 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: verity

One that has alternating black/red ribbons.


40 posted on 12/09/2008 5:16:04 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: buwaya

” . . . traditional institutional Christian one, from St. Augustine on.”


Give me Biblicist Christianity from Christ and the Apostles. (Jude 3). Wouldn’t care about Augustine in the least.

Institutional Christianity must be like institutionally packaged mashed potatoes.


41 posted on 12/09/2008 5:16:09 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: buwaya

A big tent perhaps, but that doesn’t mean you water down your most sacred held beliefs. It’s like telling God he’s a liar.


42 posted on 12/09/2008 5:17:47 AM PST by reaganbooster
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To: reaganbooster
I believe he’s a Christian, but what kind of Christian witness is he doing by denying that the Bible is not 100% true?

That is not what he said.

43 posted on 12/09/2008 5:18:40 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: John Leland 1789

“Institutional Christianity must be like institutionally packaged mashed potatoes.”

Right. Tell that to my aunt (a missionary nun) who has been bringing Christ to poor Africans and Asians for forty years. Multiply her by hundreds of millions, and you will approach the truth.


44 posted on 12/09/2008 5:21:31 AM PST by buwaya
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To: SeaHawkFan

Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied:

“Probably not. No, I’m not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it.”

Then what did he say? It’s pretty clear to me from the above quote.


45 posted on 12/09/2008 5:23:33 AM PST by reaganbooster
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To: MoreGovLess
Please copy and paste my post stating that.

Thanks.

46 posted on 12/09/2008 5:24:22 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: reaganbooster

Thats YOUR belief.

This tent (Christian and Republican/Conservative) include people with VERY different beliefs.

I do not beleive that what he said means that he is calling God a liar, and neither does my entire culture, society and ancestry going back over a millenium. You may believe that, but you have to accept that you need to deal with people (and there are many, many millions like me) who think you are very mistaken.


47 posted on 12/09/2008 5:26:43 AM PST by buwaya
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

First thought -

This is the man that publicly proclaims that Islam is a religion of peace.


48 posted on 12/09/2008 5:27:17 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: ScoochDude

When the Word of God seems to conflict with our interpretation of our observations, what do we do?

Seems the worldly kneejerk reaction for believers in the divine inspiration of the Bible is to say “we’re misinterpreting the bible”.

How about “we’re misinterpreting the evidence”?

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord always and lean not on your own understanding.


49 posted on 12/09/2008 5:31:15 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
"Just because fallen man, apart from the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is incapable of understanding the things of God and the Word of God, does not negate the fact that the Scriptures were written by God and are infallible and absolutely true."

There is much truth in what you say. My problem w/ W's statement is that athiests and others will use it to discount the entire Bible.

In my view the Sacred Word of God is written on many levels, ie dimensions. Things that make no sense to us in our normal daily lives are absolutely true in higher plains of understanding.

Just as the work of Einstein would be incomprehensible to the average citizen of ancient Rome, so too the word of God is often above common interpretations even as it instructs and guides us. The miracle of the Sacred Word, indeed what makes it Sacred, is that it works on every level.

It is true in 360 degrees x 360 degrees. Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, ever written by men is as true as Scripture. And anyone that disparages it, regardless of intent, is a fool.

Unfortunately, that includes W.

50 posted on 12/09/2008 5:31:57 AM PST by Pietro
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