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Bush: Bible, evolution not at odds
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Posted on 12/09/2008 12:32:05 AM PST by marthemaria

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President George W. Bush said in an interview Monday that the Bible is "probably not" literally true and that a belief that God created the world is compatible with the theory of evolution.

"I think you can have both," Bush, who leaves office January 20, told ABC television, adding "You're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president." But "evolution is an interesting subject. I happen to believe that evolution doesn't fully explain the mystery of life," said the president, an outspoken Christian who often invokes God in his speeches.

"I think that God created the Earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution," he told ABC television. Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied:

"Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it." "The important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" he said.

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To: GiovannaNicoletta

In Bible class, we were taught that the CONCEPTS of the Bible have withstood all of the translations of the Bible. Any time something is translated, something is changed - but not what the meaning.


101 posted on 12/09/2008 7:46:07 AM PST by mathluv
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To: GL of Sector 2814

‘Last time I checked, none of you look like monkeys.’

“No, but you and I do look like apes...since humans are apes.”

Now thats funny right there GL...haahaahahaaaaaaa.

Buddy you can call yourself, and your god an ape ALL DAY LONG, but you will not classify me as a part of your ape-dom.

But I do enjoy the ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie series! And I’m certain you do too! haahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


102 posted on 12/09/2008 7:48:49 AM PST by 2Wheels
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To: allmendream; PalmettoMason

“The both of you agree with Bush, Pope Benedict XVI and myself.” ~ allmendream

And of course, this is also what our Christian President Bush believes:

“Which theory of evolution are you talking about? “...What is the significance of such a theory? To address this question is to enter the field of epistemology.

A theory is a metascientific elaboration distinct from the results of observation, but consistent with them.

By means of it a series of independent data and facts can be related and interpreted in a unified explanation. A theory’s validity depends on whether or not it can be verified; it is constantly tested against the facts; wherever it can no longer explain the latter, it shows its limitations and unsuitability. It must then be rethought.

Furthermore, while the formulation of a theory like that of evolution complies with the need for consistency with the observed data, it borrows certain notions from natural philosophy.

And, to tell the truth, rather than the theory of evolution, we should speak of several theories of evolution.

On the one hand, this plurality has to do with the different explanations advanced for the mechanism of evolution, and on the other, with the various philosophies on which it is based.

Hence the existence of materialist, reductionist, and spiritualist interpretations. What is to be decided here is the true role of philosophy and, beyond it, of theology.

Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider _the spirit_ as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person. ...”

Excerpted from:
Theories of Evolution
John Paul II
Copyright (c) 1997 First Things 71 (March 1997): 28-29. Address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, October 22, 1996


103 posted on 12/09/2008 7:53:31 AM PST by Matchett-PI (WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. (Deepak))
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To: marthemaria

PLEASE STOP TRYING TO MAKE US ACCEPT EACH OTHER! LIBERALS WILL NOT ACCEPT US! AAHHH!


104 posted on 12/09/2008 8:06:09 AM PST by prismsinc (AIP works for ME!!!!)
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To: Matchett-PI

“They are presented as alternatives (Creation and Evolution) that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.” Pope Benedict XVI

“It is indeed remarkable that this theory (Evolution through natural selection) has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.”
Pope John Paul II addressing the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on October 22, 1996.


105 posted on 12/09/2008 8:07:26 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: allmendream

Thanks for the additional quotes. I’ll link to this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2145425/posts?page=22#22


106 posted on 12/09/2008 8:11:14 AM PST by Matchett-PI (WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. (Deepak))
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To: allmendream

More quotes you might find interesting:

May 11, 2007, 10:19 am
Romney Elaborates on Evolution By Michael Luo
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/romney-elaborates-on-evolution/

DES MOINES, May 11 ­ Mitt Romney expanded on his belief in evolution in an interview earlier this week, staking out a position that could put him at odds with some conservative Christians, a key voting bloc he is courting.

Mr. Romney, a devout Mormon, surprised some observers when he was not among those Republican candidates who raised their hands last week when asked at the Republican presidential debate if they did not believe in evolution. (Senator Sam Brownback, former Gov. Mike Huckabee and Representative Tom Tancredo said they did not.)

“I believe that God designed the universe and created the universe,” Mr. Romney said in an interview this week. “And I believe evolution is most likely the process he used to create the human body.”

He was asked: Is that intelligent design?

“I’m not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design,” he said. “But I believe God is intelligent and I believe he designed the creation. And I believe he used the process of evolution to create the human body.”

While governor of Massachusetts, Mr. Romney opposed the teaching of intelligent design in science classes.

“In my opinion, the science class is where to teach evolution, or if there are other scientific thoughts that need to be discussed,” he said. “If we’re going to talk about more philosophical matters, like why it was created, and was there an intelligent designer behind it, that’s for the religion class or philosophy class or social studies class.”

Intelligent design is typically defined as the claim that examination of nature points to the work of an intelligent designer, as opposed to the utterly random, naturalistic processes that are taught as part of evolutionary theory. Critics have called intelligent design a thinly disguised version of creationism, which takes a literal approach to the creation account in Genesis, that the earth was created in six days and is less than 10,000 years old.

Mr. Romney said he was asked about his belief in evolution when he was interviewed by faculty members for highest honors designations before his graduation from Brigham Young University.

He told his interviewers that he did not believe there was a “conflict between true science and true religion,” he said.

“True science and true religion are on exactly the same page,” he said. “they may come from different angles, but they reach the same conclusion. I’ve never found a conflict between the science of evolution and the belief that God created the universe. He uses scientific tools to do his work.”

The Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints has no definitive position on evolution, and church leaders have disagreed on the issue over the years.

Mr. Romney said his answer was satisfactory to faculty members. “They teach evolution at B.Y.U.,” he said.


107 posted on 12/09/2008 8:14:13 AM PST by Matchett-PI (WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. (Deepak))
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To: 2Wheels
While I believ that everything in the Bible is true, not all of it should be taken literally. Here is just one example as to why I say this:

Psalm 50:10 (New International Version)- 10 for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.

Taken literally this would mean God owns the cattle on exactly one thousand hills. That is not the meaning. What it means is that God owns EVERYTHING.

108 posted on 12/09/2008 8:18:36 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: marthemaria
George W. Bush said ... the Bible is "probably not" literally true

G-d says it is probably not literally true that George is saved.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
109 posted on 12/09/2008 8:22:23 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: marthemaria

Bush isnt really a Christian, I already knew that..


110 posted on 12/09/2008 8:23:15 AM PST by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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To: JSDude1

clown


111 posted on 12/09/2008 8:24:32 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Look a little deeper and you'll probably find that these "Christian scholars" also deny the divinity of Christ, deny His virgin birth, death, and resurrection, deny what He has said about the wretched condition of man and the fact that man's only hope of reconciliation with God is through the person of Jesus Christ; in other words "Christian scholars" who claim that the very foundation of Christianity is a lie.

The Christian Scholars about whom I refer, agree with all of the basic tenets of the Christian faith that you mention. It's also why all of the ones I am thinking about completely reject the notion that the evolutionary model is compatible with Biblical truth.

Bush is simply wrong when he says that evolution is compatible with Christianity; assuming he wasn't quoted out of context.

112 posted on 12/09/2008 8:25:13 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

I believe the common-sense implied way that most mean when they say they “believe everything in the Bible literally”..pertains to historical events (including the miracles-which only God could preform), not talking about poetry which is obviously (as you pointed) meant as allegory and can be interpreted easily.


113 posted on 12/09/2008 8:27:07 AM PST by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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To: Matchett-PI
The Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints has no definitive position on evolution, and church leaders have disagreed on the issue over the years. Mr. Romney said his answer was satisfactory to faculty members. “They teach evolution at B.Y.U.,” he said.

Of course BYU teaches evolution. Any religion that claims God was once a man and that a man can become a god can have no other position.

114 posted on 12/09/2008 8:27:59 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

keep insisting the Bible be used as a biology text in science class and the dumbing of America will continue unabated


115 posted on 12/09/2008 8:28:45 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: JSDude1

I prefer to be clearer by stating that I belief the Bible is historically accurate. There has never been a discovery that has contradicted the Biblical record.


116 posted on 12/09/2008 8:31:12 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: MoreGovLess

And just where did I say the Bible should be used as a biology text?

Stating a belief that the evolutionary model doesn’t really contradict the science of biology. As you must know, biology, micro-biology, or biochemistry has never proven the correctness of evolution.


117 posted on 12/09/2008 8:34:57 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

You embarrass yourself.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145395/posts?page=103#103


118 posted on 12/09/2008 8:44:36 AM PST by Matchett-PI (WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. (Deepak))
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To: marthemaria

That is pretty much the view of Sarah Palin, too. Not many politicians are biblical literalists.


119 posted on 12/09/2008 8:45:14 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
There has never been a discovery that has contradicted the Biblical record.

The idea of a global flood in historic times has been falsified. Two hundred years ago!

120 posted on 12/09/2008 8:46:48 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: BufordP

I don’t look to BufordP for wisdom and advice either. :-)


121 posted on 12/09/2008 8:49:54 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: marthemaria

The creation account in Genesis has a different writing style than the rest of Genesis. It has been referred to as “exalted prose,” bordering on poetry. This might help us understand how to hear the creation account in light of history and science.

I believe every word of the Bible is true, and I don’t think creationism and science need conflict.

However, evolution is asking for a giant leap of faith. Matter tends to break down and become less complex, not the other way around. And where are all the animal fossils of the in-between stages of evolution? There aren’t any.


122 posted on 12/09/2008 8:50:15 AM PST by Silly (www.QuestionOthority.com)
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To: 2Wheels
Yes, I believe that God created us and the universe we see around us.

I would not presume to say that I understand WHY or HOW God did this.

I do believe that evolution is the best current explanation as to HOW God did this.

If you do not agree with me, that is fine. Why are you so agitated with what I wrote? Perhaps you need to examine your beliefs.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

123 posted on 12/09/2008 8:58:48 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Coyoteman; Murp
The ‘transitional’ is just another australopithecine built up to emphasize supposed human characteristics as Skull KNM-ER 1470 was. The flaws found by a ‘creationist’ btw

The Rise and Fall of Skull KNM-ER 1470

124 posted on 12/09/2008 9:11:05 AM PST by valkyry1
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To: buwaya

“Is the Pope then a lukewarm Christian ?”

Is the Pope among the Catholic church not globally known as ‘God on Earth’?

I sure hope for the sake of all the institution of the Catholic church that he is not lukewarm.
Because if he were only lukewarm, he would and could not be “God on Earth”, could he?

But it sounds like to me you are also saying the Pope thinks the Creation and evolution are in some form of cosmic union.
That would then IMHO, remove any and all relationship between that mere man, known as the pope - and God, the Creator God.
Please tell me in your spare time who ordained the first Catholic church Pope? Was it God’s voice? Who all was there to hear it?


125 posted on 12/09/2008 9:17:58 AM PST by 2Wheels
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; aimhigh

As I said, we understand the literally earth shaking difference between a flat earth with four corners that is proven to be a sphere. Our world did not turn upside down when we adjusted from the notion that the sun literally revolves around the earth (Isaiah 38) to an earth that revolves around both its axis and the sun.

We know that the events at Jericho and in Isaiah 38 happened, but we do not rely on the earth being the center of the universe as those before us did.


126 posted on 12/09/2008 9:22:59 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: SeaHawkFan

OK, I just get worried when people start insisting that Creationism be taught as science.

What you say may be true, but in actuality, science can “prove” very little. Does it “prove” that water is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen? Or that gravity explains why I can’t fly off the earth?

Evolution is a scientific theory that best explains empirical observations; it should be presented as such in science class.


127 posted on 12/09/2008 9:26:45 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: JSDude1

Do you pretend to judge who is or is not a Christian? Wow, that is hubris! I thought it was God’s job to judge.


128 posted on 12/09/2008 9:29:03 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: MoreGovLess
Evolution is a scientific theory that best explains empirical observations; it should be presented as such in science class.

Evolution is not a scientic theory since it cannot be tested. It is much more accurate to call it a scientific model.

129 posted on 12/09/2008 9:39:11 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: verity

You’re loss.
:-)


130 posted on 12/09/2008 9:41:43 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: verity
You're Your

Don't look to BufordP for spelling.

131 posted on 12/09/2008 9:42:37 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

It can be tested, but we lack the frame of reference


132 posted on 12/09/2008 9:42:52 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: buwaya

“My data is my Catholic education. Which has been in the same continuous tradition going back 2000 years - i.e., this is an institution, a community of belief, the Church.

Christianity was founded as a community.”

buwaya,
Off the subject of Bush somewhat:
That Catholic tradition is indeed long and continuous for the most part - which is commendable!
I have always been fascinated in that the MSM has consistently given the Catholic church the univeral term “the church”, just as you did in your post.
Certainly the Catholic church is a ‘community of belief’ as you say.
Acts chapters 2 and 4 and others speak clearly about a community of faith and belief.
Jesus said, “...upon this rock I will build my church”. He also said, “I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me.”
Scripture also says, “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father’, for you have one father and he is in heaven.” Read Matthew 23 - it does not only apply to Pharisees....
With this being said and Matt 23, please explain the value and hierarchy of a “God on Earth” - the Pope? And how the specific Catholic church became known as ‘the church’ as an exclusive?
“The church” as described in scripture, is Christs church exclusively and was established by him alone. It was never and never will be an institution or hierarchical mega corporation where sins are confessed to a man and forgiven by mere men. Jesus alone, is our mediator as scripture says.

And I’m sure I’m about to get flagged as a bad boy.


133 posted on 12/09/2008 9:55:02 AM PST by 2Wheels
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To: marthemaria

BibChr: Bush, Bible at odds


134 posted on 12/09/2008 9:55:54 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: SoftballMominVA

“That being said, only a fool could deny that micro-evolution happens all the time around us. It is micro-evolution that causes bacteria to become resistant to anti-biotics.”

Don’t call me a fool, or the millions out there who have never spent days staring into a microscope and who fully believe in creation for all its worth.

For you, please elaborate on the differences between evolution and adaptation.
Are you ready to make the statement that adaptation is incapable of becoming resistant? (Whether bacteria or any other...)
That this ‘event’ is exclusive to evolution?


135 posted on 12/09/2008 10:05:03 AM PST by 2Wheels
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To: MoreGovLess

http://www.chronwatch-america.com/blogs/837/Do-Christians-and-Muslims-Worship-the-Same-God.html

I don’t, however God’s word does, and if GWB truely (still) believes this.then he is in jeopardy of the eternal damnation in hell! I hope and pray not (and we should pray for our leaders 1 Tim 2: “God desires all men to be saved for there is one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus”..I think we should PRAY for President Bush (and Pres-Elect Obama)!!

What say you, friend.


136 posted on 12/09/2008 10:08:51 AM PST by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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To: 2Wheels

Not getting into a pissing fight with you or anyone else. I know what I believe and I’m comfortable with why I believe it. The fact that I cannot explain it down to the nth degree to satisfy someone with a science degree does not lessen what I know to be true:

** God created our present world in 6 days

** Micro evolution - adaptation - macro evolution are the same/different/related all at some level.

** There is pre-Biblical history that we do not have sufficient knowledge to even make a guess as to what the world looked like at that time, who inhabited it, and what they did while here.

If I used a broad brush statement, don’t move over to make sure you get hit by it. That’s foolish right there. I meant no insult to you or anyone else. If you want to take offense, I can’t stop you.

But, nothing you’ve said dissuades me from I believe. God created the present earth in 6 days, Man was created in his image - these two things do not preclude or prevent micro-evolution on a cellular level.


137 posted on 12/09/2008 10:17:19 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: All

I was slow in becoming a Christian. I never jump into anything without first giving it the 3rd degree. There were things that could not be explained, things that seemed to contradict science etc.

Then one day I was sitting out on my front porch and for the first time I really saw the world around me and I could not deny that it was all due to God’s grand design.

If I were going to believe that, then that required that I believe the Bible is God’s Word. If it is His Word, then it is true, every word of it whether we understand it or not. You cannot have have half truths. Something to be true has to be 100% true all the time.

I have lost friends because of defending President Bush. Needless to say I am very disappointed in him right now.


138 posted on 12/09/2008 10:24:34 AM PST by Hanna548 (s)
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To: Hanna548

You cannot have have half truths. Something to be true has to be 100% true all the time.


You have it grasshopper, now go teach it to others.........

I have often said “truth is a rare commodity.”


139 posted on 12/09/2008 10:40:27 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Actually the verse reads:
Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

And God DOES own everything. Is there one single thing on this earth that is here because YOU or any other human provided it all on your own? Answer NO. Everything we have God provided for us, there is not a thing that does not have God’s hand in it.

Had God written that verse today He could have said I own every computer in the world and the Internet towers on 1,000 hills. Yep, he owns all that too.


140 posted on 12/09/2008 10:41:19 AM PST by Hanna548 (s)
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To: JSDude1

Do you believe that every Christian must have perfect understanding of the Bible in order to achieve or sustain his salvation?

Galatians and Romans are good reading.


141 posted on 12/09/2008 10:49:49 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: MrB
You nailed it. If I wasn't such a cynic, maybe I could have written my thoughts as eloquently as you.

My prayer is that everyone who does not believe God's Word is God's Word reads your post, and it resonates in their souls.
142 posted on 12/09/2008 11:01:11 AM PST by ScoochDude
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To: LonePalm

“If you do not agree with me, that is fine. Why are you so agitated with what I wrote? Perhaps you need to examine your beliefs.”

Agitated? Nah....I am laughing thru my tears at the things people say. Incredible.
What you and Bush and Romney are saying is:
“I have faith, but not THAT much!”

‘God used evolution as part of the process of humankind’?

So, the “faithful Christians” have come to a place where evolutio-Creationism is ‘the stuff’, oooOOOOOooooo maybe even a cool trend to keep up with the times!
No doubt people will believe anything, with absolutely no evidence, if it will ease their own minds and lack of faith that the Creator God actually has the power to create from spoken words.
You must share with us all the added value of an evolutionary process to any level - when God can (and did) utter the words, and all things came into being.(?)

I’ll be waiting right here for your answer.

Please do not fret over my faith or beliefs. Scripture says to “study to show yourself approved...”...rightly dividing the word of truth.”


143 posted on 12/09/2008 11:12:09 AM PST by 2Wheels
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To: marthemaria
One of the most revealing things is how often and how consistently the liberals and the atheists flock to any thread that concerns the Bible.

The liberal mind is made up against the Bible and their misery wants to recruit more eternal company apart from "The Truth".

So the liberal sees any thread concerning the Bible and he flocks to it as a moth to the light.

Misery loves company.

144 posted on 12/09/2008 11:13:58 AM PST by OriginalIntent (undo all judicial activism and its results)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Sigh... then you must think that the Pope and most Catholics aren’t Christian, either. We believe Genesis to be the story of Creation, not the literal truth.

Fundamentalism - believing the Bible to be the literal truth - is a relatively recent phenomenon.


145 posted on 12/09/2008 11:21:15 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

God inspired human writers to write the Bible. Muslims believe that the Koran is revealed, not inspired, truth.


146 posted on 12/09/2008 11:22:55 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: 2Wheels

I highly recommend Paul Johnson’s “A History of Christianity” as an introduction to the history and derivation of the institutions and ideas that go into all the flavors of modern Christianity. It would be futile for me to attempt this through posts.

As for Catholic doctrine and evolution, yes indeed, it is not contrary to Catholic belief to accept the theory of evolution as scientifically accurate.


147 posted on 12/09/2008 11:25:24 AM PST by buwaya
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To: 2Wheels
Who put the bee in your bonnet?

You really seem to be reading an awful lot into what I wrote that I didn't write.

You might want to start again at the beginning.

I agree with you that God created us and the rest of the universe. What is so disturbing about the idea that evolution might be the METHOD chosen by God to accomplish his will?

Evolution may, or may not, be how God decided to do it but right now it seems to be the best explanation.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

148 posted on 12/09/2008 11:49:39 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Theo
People don't go to hell for rejecting Jesus.

God disagrees with you:

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)

If that Scripture is not true, then Jesus died for nothing. His death on the cross was the biggest mistake of all time.

We would all go to hell as a consequence of sin had it not been for Christ's death. Jesus, and only Jesus, gives mankind a way to reconcile with Him and escape the punishment we deserve for our rebellion against God.

Scripture could not be more clear on this subject. Ignore it and disbelieve it at your own peril.

149 posted on 12/09/2008 12:40:16 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: JSDude1

I leave the judging to God


150 posted on 12/09/2008 12:42:28 PM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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