Posted on 12/09/2008 12:32:05 AM PST by marthemaria
WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President George W. Bush said in an interview Monday that the Bible is "probably not" literally true and that a belief that God created the world is compatible with the theory of evolution.
"I think you can have both," Bush, who leaves office January 20, told ABC television, adding "You're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president." But "evolution is an interesting subject. I happen to believe that evolution doesn't fully explain the mystery of life," said the president, an outspoken Christian who often invokes God in his speeches.
"I think that God created the Earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution," he told ABC television. Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied:
"Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it." "The important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" he said.
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I don’t look to BufordP for wisdom and advice either. :-)
The creation account in Genesis has a different writing style than the rest of Genesis. It has been referred to as “exalted prose,” bordering on poetry. This might help us understand how to hear the creation account in light of history and science.
I believe every word of the Bible is true, and I don’t think creationism and science need conflict.
However, evolution is asking for a giant leap of faith. Matter tends to break down and become less complex, not the other way around. And where are all the animal fossils of the in-between stages of evolution? There aren’t any.
I would not presume to say that I understand WHY or HOW God did this.
I do believe that evolution is the best current explanation as to HOW God did this.
If you do not agree with me, that is fine. Why are you so agitated with what I wrote? Perhaps you need to examine your beliefs.
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“Is the Pope then a lukewarm Christian ?”
Is the Pope among the Catholic church not globally known as ‘God on Earth’?
I sure hope for the sake of all the institution of the Catholic church that he is not lukewarm.
Because if he were only lukewarm, he would and could not be “God on Earth”, could he?
But it sounds like to me you are also saying the Pope thinks the Creation and evolution are in some form of cosmic union.
That would then IMHO, remove any and all relationship between that mere man, known as the pope - and God, the Creator God.
Please tell me in your spare time who ordained the first Catholic church Pope? Was it God’s voice? Who all was there to hear it?
As I said, we understand the literally earth shaking difference between a flat earth with four corners that is proven to be a sphere. Our world did not turn upside down when we adjusted from the notion that the sun literally revolves around the earth (Isaiah 38) to an earth that revolves around both its axis and the sun.
We know that the events at Jericho and in Isaiah 38 happened, but we do not rely on the earth being the center of the universe as those before us did.
OK, I just get worried when people start insisting that Creationism be taught as science.
What you say may be true, but in actuality, science can “prove” very little. Does it “prove” that water is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen? Or that gravity explains why I can’t fly off the earth?
Evolution is a scientific theory that best explains empirical observations; it should be presented as such in science class.
Do you pretend to judge who is or is not a Christian? Wow, that is hubris! I thought it was God’s job to judge.
Evolution is not a scientic theory since it cannot be tested. It is much more accurate to call it a scientific model.
You’re loss.
:-)
Don't look to BufordP for spelling.
It can be tested, but we lack the frame of reference
“My data is my Catholic education. Which has been in the same continuous tradition going back 2000 years - i.e., this is an institution, a community of belief, the Church.
Christianity was founded as a community.”
buwaya,
Off the subject of Bush somewhat:
That Catholic tradition is indeed long and continuous for the most part - which is commendable!
I have always been fascinated in that the MSM has consistently given the Catholic church the univeral term “the church”, just as you did in your post.
Certainly the Catholic church is a ‘community of belief’ as you say.
Acts chapters 2 and 4 and others speak clearly about a community of faith and belief.
Jesus said, “...upon this rock I will build my church”. He also said, “I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me.”
Scripture also says, “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father’, for you have one father and he is in heaven.” Read Matthew 23 - it does not only apply to Pharisees....
With this being said and Matt 23, please explain the value and hierarchy of a “God on Earth” - the Pope? And how the specific Catholic church became known as ‘the church’ as an exclusive?
“The church” as described in scripture, is Christs church exclusively and was established by him alone. It was never and never will be an institution or hierarchical mega corporation where sins are confessed to a man and forgiven by mere men. Jesus alone, is our mediator as scripture says.
And I’m sure I’m about to get flagged as a bad boy.
“That being said, only a fool could deny that micro-evolution happens all the time around us. It is micro-evolution that causes bacteria to become resistant to anti-biotics.”
Don’t call me a fool, or the millions out there who have never spent days staring into a microscope and who fully believe in creation for all its worth.
For you, please elaborate on the differences between evolution and adaptation.
Are you ready to make the statement that adaptation is incapable of becoming resistant? (Whether bacteria or any other...)
That this ‘event’ is exclusive to evolution?
http://www.chronwatch-america.com/blogs/837/Do-Christians-and-Muslims-Worship-the-Same-God.html
I don’t, however God’s word does, and if GWB truely (still) believes this.then he is in jeopardy of the eternal damnation in hell! I hope and pray not (and we should pray for our leaders 1 Tim 2: “God desires all men to be saved for there is one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus”..I think we should PRAY for President Bush (and Pres-Elect Obama)!!
What say you, friend.
Not getting into a pissing fight with you or anyone else. I know what I believe and I’m comfortable with why I believe it. The fact that I cannot explain it down to the nth degree to satisfy someone with a science degree does not lessen what I know to be true:
** God created our present world in 6 days
** Micro evolution - adaptation - macro evolution are the same/different/related all at some level.
** There is pre-Biblical history that we do not have sufficient knowledge to even make a guess as to what the world looked like at that time, who inhabited it, and what they did while here.
If I used a broad brush statement, don’t move over to make sure you get hit by it. That’s foolish right there. I meant no insult to you or anyone else. If you want to take offense, I can’t stop you.
But, nothing you’ve said dissuades me from I believe. God created the present earth in 6 days, Man was created in his image - these two things do not preclude or prevent micro-evolution on a cellular level.
I was slow in becoming a Christian. I never jump into anything without first giving it the 3rd degree. There were things that could not be explained, things that seemed to contradict science etc.
Then one day I was sitting out on my front porch and for the first time I really saw the world around me and I could not deny that it was all due to God’s grand design.
If I were going to believe that, then that required that I believe the Bible is God’s Word. If it is His Word, then it is true, every word of it whether we understand it or not. You cannot have have half truths. Something to be true has to be 100% true all the time.
I have lost friends because of defending President Bush. Needless to say I am very disappointed in him right now.
You cannot have have half truths. Something to be true has to be 100% true all the time.
I have often said “truth is a rare commodity.”
Actually the verse reads:
Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
And God DOES own everything. Is there one single thing on this earth that is here because YOU or any other human provided it all on your own? Answer NO. Everything we have God provided for us, there is not a thing that does not have God’s hand in it.
Had God written that verse today He could have said I own every computer in the world and the Internet towers on 1,000 hills. Yep, he owns all that too.
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