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AISD Teacher Throws Fit Over Student's Linux CD
Austinist ^ | Dec 10, 2008 | allenychen

Posted on 12/10/2008 5:23:13 PM PST by ari-freedom

In an age where Windows and OS X reign supreme, it's no wonder that a local AISD middle school teacher became enraged after discovering one of her students distributing what she believed to be bootlegged copies of an operating system in class.

While teacher "Karen" was clearly operating under the assumption that she'd scored a minor victory for the Microsofts and other downtrodden software giants of the world, the particular operating system that she ended up disciplining her student for was a freely distributable version of Linux.

To wit, the following is part of an email that the teacher sent to the person who originally provided said Linux to the student

(Excerpt) Read more at austinist.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: education; linux; opensource
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1 posted on 12/10/2008 5:23:13 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: ari-freedom

Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers.


2 posted on 12/10/2008 5:27:42 PM PST by Scarchin (Withholding judgement)
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To: ari-freedom
Writeup on Slashdot: When Teachers Are Obstacles To Linux In Education, mentions response to teacher.
3 posted on 12/10/2008 5:30:33 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Scarchin

Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers....and doctors and lawyers.


4 posted on 12/10/2008 5:32:15 PM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: ari-freedom

I like Linux, but it is not “there” yet.

Installing even a PCMCIA “G” card is a royal pain...worse then Wordperfect in text only mode...

As for the teacher...this is what Colleges are producing today?


5 posted on 12/10/2008 5:32:45 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: ari-freedom
Wow that guy REALLY let the teacher have it.

Stop Holding Our Kids Back.

6 posted on 12/10/2008 5:33:02 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: ari-freedom

My son’s high school science teacher guided him and others through building a website. Although the site was viewable from her own hard drive, it was not viewable through the Internet. I told her so in very nice terms, and I instructed her by e-mail, step by step, on how to correct the problem. She became enraged and hated me from then on.


7 posted on 12/10/2008 5:33:10 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: ari-freedom

Slowly shaking head

Walking away in disbelief...


8 posted on 12/10/2008 5:33:20 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Scarchin

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh my dear sweet zombie jesus.


9 posted on 12/10/2008 5:34:56 PM PST by utherdoul
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To: ari-freedom
I along with many others tried Linux during college

Miss Teacher, are you sure that isn't another L-word you tried during college?

10 posted on 12/10/2008 5:35:54 PM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: padre35
Although I prefer NetBSD for the core developers' attention to kernel stability and security, my younger kid installed Ubuntu Linux on one of our older machines. It installed easier and faster than Windows. Everything works great with it--even the 3-D, first-person shooter games.
11 posted on 12/10/2008 5:37:40 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: ari-freedom

, I along with many others tried Linux during college

Dear God...was this before or after acid and group sex?...what a moron.


12 posted on 12/10/2008 5:38:57 PM PST by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: Scarchin

Oh I have a stepsister who recently graduated from college and is teaching elementary school. She is dumb in a way you can’t even comprehend unless you actually spend time with her. How she ever graduated from a single college course, let alone obtained a degree, is something I will never understand. And God help those children in her classroom....they may never recover from her grammar.


13 posted on 12/10/2008 5:40:42 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Computer says No..... Carole Beer)
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To: Big Giant Head

Penguin Ping. :)


14 posted on 12/10/2008 5:41:42 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: familyop

I bought (yes..paid money...LOL!) for Ubuntu 8, it just didn’t do the trick, my older stuff just doesn’t have the horsepower to run it right.

And plug and play wireless networking is needed for Linux to be “there’ for me.


15 posted on 12/10/2008 5:41:48 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Islander7
Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers....and doctors and lawyers

Beg to differ
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

16 posted on 12/10/2008 5:42:25 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: padre35

“I like Linux, but it is not “there” yet.”

it’s great for students. Let them have the opportunity to use a system that they can understand.


17 posted on 12/10/2008 5:42:31 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: padre35
Same here, drivers for some stuff is a pain. I like SuSE, Knoppix, and Mandrake. One of these days, I will get around to Ubuntu.

I keep a Knoppix disc at work to help me diagnose problems. 95% of the time, it isn't the hardware, it is Windoze flaking out. It freaks some people out when I use a liveCD. Is there a Windoze equivalent out there? If so, it is probably pricey like the rest of MS.

18 posted on 12/10/2008 5:43:03 PM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: ari-freedom
observed one of my students with a group of other children gathered around his laptop.

Those damn kids! Lookin' at teh pr0n on teh interweb!

No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful.

You, Ma'am, are ignorant.

These children look up to adults for guidance and discipline.

Yeah. You're right. People like Bjarne Stroustrup, Tim Berners-Lee, and Jakob Nielsen are horrible, horrible people that should be shunned by proper society.

I along with many others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods.

HUH?! Wait... You.... My head hurts!

Was "Linux" slang for a drug or a deviant sex act back in the day?

This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer, and putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping these children at all.

Bam! She knows Linux is free and open-source, so she knows damn well the kid wasn't doing anything illegal.

Or this is one helluva troll.

19 posted on 12/10/2008 5:43:38 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: KarlInOhio
I along with many others tried Linux during college

"Linux Until Graduation"

20 posted on 12/10/2008 5:44:55 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Zero tolerance does not mean putting up with Barack for the next 4 years - that's just punishment)
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To: ari-freedom
This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older version of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service to those receiving them..."

Karen xxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxx Middle School
AISD

Now, I have my problems with M$, but anyone who believes that Redmond would actually provide any copies of Winders, especially older copies, does not have enough information to engage in this debate.

M$ won't even let charities transfer licenses on donated computers. However, in other countries they have created a cheap version of XP for distribution to combat piracy. But not in the US.

21 posted on 12/10/2008 5:45:14 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: padre35

I have to tell you, I’ve grown to like MS Word, I can’t live without Excel, I’m learning to tolerate Access (I’m just learning to appreate Acrobat Pro, but that’s a different animal), but when I had WordPerfect (no mouse support) it was all I ever wanted, and I didn’t want to give up that blue screen.


22 posted on 12/10/2008 5:46:00 PM PST by NYFriend
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To: wally_bert

What Linux is great for on an old system/lap top is restarting USB ports, as boot disk, Linux is quite good.

I’ve tried DSL 3.3 and Ubuntu’s Dapper Drake and 8.0, they are okay, I think a student with time and interest in really poking around would love them and learn alot, but for me..not so much..


23 posted on 12/10/2008 5:46:18 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Scarchin
Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers.

That does not say much for the state of education in this country. How are the kids supposed to learn something when idiots like this woman are teaching?

24 posted on 12/10/2008 5:48:12 PM PST by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: NYFriend

Open Office and Foxit reader for me.

In college I came so very close to having a..incident..involving a networked computer running Word Perfect 2.11’s “justify” feature...no jury in the land would have convicted me!!!!


25 posted on 12/10/2008 5:48:53 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: ari-freedom
From the same Austinist page,...

"Starks responded on the HeliOS blog, saying:

[Excerpt:]

"The fact that you seem to believe that Microsoft is the end all and be-all is actually funny in a sad sort of way. Then again, being a good NEA member, you would spout the Union line. Microsoft has pumped tens of millions of dollars into your union."


26 posted on 12/10/2008 5:50:02 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: padre35
As for the teacher...this is what Colleges are producing today?

That's about the caliber of your average education major these days, yeah. My roommate's girlfriend/fiance/wife in college was an education major. Also completely, insufferably, irretrievably, hopelessly stupid...and borderline evil.

She, more than any other single variable, solidified my wife's and my decision to homeschool our kids. No person like that will ever teach/guide my kids.

27 posted on 12/10/2008 5:53:45 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: wally_bert
There are several different pre-installed environment builder utilities out there for Windows, they only require that you have the OS installation CD from which to build the bootable CD. BartPE, Winbuilder, and Windows PE are a few, the latter provided from Microsoft.

I've used modified Knoppix in the past, but mostly Helix and Backtrack currently when I need to work on a compromised system. The desktop guys use a custom windows PE build for imaging systems, data recovery, etc.

28 posted on 12/10/2008 5:57:38 PM PST by DaisyCutter
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To: padre35
Foxit Reader, yea. Better performance with most PDFs and better security.

Open Office, nay. Performance is a joke.

29 posted on 12/10/2008 6:00:17 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: Scarchin

“Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers.”

Of course, the one in question is a union member.


30 posted on 12/10/2008 6:00:30 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: HangnJudge
Don't confuse intelligence with wisdom. They are two different things.

Victor Davis Hanson really sums it up nicely here:

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson091908.html

31 posted on 12/10/2008 6:03:58 PM PST by magellan (u)
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To: Islander7

“Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers....and doctors and lawyers.”

Really? I know hundreds of doctors, but I never met a single one who was dumb.


32 posted on 12/10/2008 6:04:11 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: CE2949BB

“Foxit Reader, yea. Better performance with most PDFs and better security.

Open Office, nay. Performance is a joke.”

Yeah, thta’s my take on them as well. Like Foxit, but Open Office is kinda clunky.


33 posted on 12/10/2008 6:04:18 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: Islander7

Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers....and doctors and lawyers.

Have you considered that educators are the lowest 10% of the academic talent pool (holds for faculty & students).

Doctors and lawyers have to survive in the real world, a world where incompetence has consequences.

While I like a good lawyer joke as well as the next FReeper, to compare the average lawyer, let alone a Doctor, IQ with educator IQ scores is a stretch worthy of of the old comic book character ‘Plastic Man’.


34 posted on 12/10/2008 6:05:21 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: ari-freedom; rdb3

And I thought Austin was where the Commie Texans lived!

Nice to see a teacher promoting capitalist values and supporting companies that actually pay people to develop software!


35 posted on 12/10/2008 6:08:06 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible

there are plenty of companies that make money by using linux. There’s nothing capitalist about denying choices.


36 posted on 12/10/2008 6:12:41 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ari-freedom

Use The Proper OS For The Task

Linux for servers
Mac for graphics
Unix for production,
Windows for Solitaire


37 posted on 12/10/2008 6:13:01 PM PST by Laptop_Ron (Jindal / Palin '12)
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To: padre35
In college I came so very close to having a..incident..involving a networked computer running Word Perfect 2.11’s “justify” feature...no jury in the land would have convicted me!!!!

The original version of Word Perfect for Windows had an auto-save feature that was enabled by default. One day I was working on a project that I'd spent nearly 2 hours on, saving it on a regular basis. Then something happened, and WPfW managed to corrupt my document. Before I could stop it, the damn program managed to overwrite the last good save I had!

So I know what you mean.

Mark

38 posted on 12/10/2008 6:14:10 PM PST by MarkL
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To: Laptop_Ron

you can use linux for solitaire for free! :)


39 posted on 12/10/2008 6:14:45 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: Islander7; Scarchin
Some of the dumbest people I know are teachers....and doctors and lawyers.

...And politicians...
40 posted on 12/10/2008 6:16:21 PM PST by rottndog (Government is a necessary Evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: ari-freedom

And you get more solitaire games with Linux!
However, we mustn’t leave MS out of the picture completely.
LOL


41 posted on 12/10/2008 6:16:48 PM PST by Laptop_Ron (Jindal / Palin '12)
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To: magellan
Don't confuse intelligence with wisdom.

Agree
Wisdom - The ability to appropriately apply knowledge in specific situations

That said, some of the brightest people I know are MD’s
Able to modify paradigms with rapidly shifting and very incomplete databases,
with catastrophic consequences always possible...

And I live in a town full of Nuclear Physicists and Engineering types

Don't mind me, I've just been on call too much lately and am grumpy

42 posted on 12/10/2008 6:19:35 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

Woo Hoo! Electrical Engineers rock!

Too smart and/or busy to get a date though!


43 posted on 12/10/2008 6:20:40 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Laptop_Ron

“However, we mustn’t leave MS out of the picture completely.”

no, but schools need to save money and there’s no reason to waste $ on Microsoft for the sake of using Microsoft if Linux fits the bill just fine.


44 posted on 12/10/2008 6:22:10 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ari-freedom
Un-friggin-believable.

/johnny

45 posted on 12/10/2008 6:25:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Sharrukin

There are ways to speed up Open Office. My way is to not use it, but Koffice in KDE.


46 posted on 12/10/2008 6:26:37 PM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: ari-freedom

They make money selling support! Winds up costing corporate IT the same as Windows.

The problem with LINUX is that if the admin screws up royally, he has no one to blame. If he screws up while using Windows, he can scapegoat Microsoft and maybe keep his job.

Windows has unfairly become the whipping boy for incompetant admins.


47 posted on 12/10/2008 6:26:46 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: HangnJudge

Average SAT scores of incoming college freshmen declared as education majors are very low. If you consider in the 900s low.

And IQ means squat in real world performance and has no correlation with common sense.

Also, plenty of “intelligent” people are poorly educated, ignorant and indoctrinated. Including those with college degrees.


48 posted on 12/10/2008 6:31:06 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ari-freedom

I agree with you completely. However, I was refering to my previous humorous(?) post regarding OSes and not the schools. Personally, I left MS quite awhile ago and only run linux OSes. :)

As far as the schools go, they should always have a choice. How can you learn if you don’t try new things?


49 posted on 12/10/2008 6:32:35 PM PST by Laptop_Ron (Jindal / Palin '12)
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To: Centurion2000
You need to read the comments, they're a hoot!

- Traveler

50 posted on 12/10/2008 6:33:01 PM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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