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On Vikings and Victims: White-Guilt in Context
American Thinker ^ | December 14, 2008 | Raymond Ibrahim

Posted on 12/14/2008 1:17:55 AM PST by neverdem

All-permeating "white-guilt" did not appear out of thin air. It has taken a sustained propaganda effort, a wide-ranging mobilization of education and culture, to inculcate and sustain self-loathing among American Caucasians. Like the Coca-Cola TM brand, white-guilt needs endless repetition to remain struck in the thought and behavioral processes of the masses.

The movie Pathfinder, which I saw on cable, offers a vivid example of the sort of brainwashing intended to refresh the white-guilt TM brand in the thinking habits of young people in particular.

Set around 900 AD, the film deals with Viking incursions into North America.  The Vikings are portrayed as ironclad giants -- more monster than human -- mounted atop massive Clydesdales, barking and grunting obscenities in some strange tongue; the natives, as expected, gentle, innocent, and peace-loving.  This theme, of course, is not new.

Subtleties playing on white-guilt, however, are spread throughout.  Consider the usage of language.  The Vikings speak only Norse, with English subtitles (though the viewer could do without, since apparently the north-men had naught to utter but barbarities and cruelties).  Conversely, the natives rattle off in 21st century colloquial English.  If the movie was primarily interested in authenticity (let alone objectivity), both languages -- Native and Norse -- should have been used (as in The Passion, where Latin, Hebrew, and Aramaic are maintained throughout).  Moreover, if either of the two languages should have been rendered into English, logically it should have been Norse, which is at least etymologically related to English and in the same linguistic group. 

Of course, philological fidelity is not the movie-makers' primary interest; empathy by association is.  Violent Vikings are left to babble unintelligently about fire, war, and iron, while Natives talk of love, peace, and courage -- all in very smooth English.   Americans are supposed to identify with the natives, not their Norse co-linguists, nor, for millions of American viewers tracing their lineage to Scandinavia, their ancestors. 

Language manipulation aside, the depiction of Vikings as brutal warriors and plunderers is at least plausible and historic.  The Native presentation, on the other hand, is neither.  Indeed, the cultural anachronisms of Pathfinder suggest that 10th century natives were akin to modern-day liberals, easily "traumatized" and constantly in need of "therapy" and "reaffirmation" -- concepts wholly non-existent in the 10th century. 

From the start, a native woman encounters dead bodies and starts shrieking (she is "traumatized") and running madly -- as if living in 900 AD North America (or anywhere else at the time, for that matter) men, women, and children would not find the sight of rotting corpses banal.  In the midst of this carnage, she happens upon a Viking boy who brandishes a sword at her.  Instead of reacting instinctively -- fight-or-flight -- she casts a loving look at him as if to say "You poor boy; what have they done to you?" and embraces him.

In fact, the main reasons that make the hero of the story, this same young Viking grown into manhood, agreeable, are his "liberal-therapeutic" tendencies.  He has "daddy-issues" (his father beat and abandoned him for not being "man" enough) and is "confused" about his "identity," finally sloughing off his violent Viking (read: "white") heritage in favor of a sort of "multi-culti" native identity, thus making him the triumphant hero we can all support and identify with. 

Of course none of this should be surprising; neither presenting dead white men as the personification of evil nor presenting non-whites as the personification of good -- especially Native Americans, who have all but come to be the paradigmatic "noble other" who suffer countless and untold depredations at the hands of the white man.  This theme is well rooted in popular culture, thanks to academia.  Indeed, this motif is so ubiquitous that none other than Osama bin Laden exploits it to make white Americans feel shame and guilt.

This "noble-victimized-non-white" paradigm has further come to be applied to almost all non-whites.  For example, early sub-Saharans are always portrayed as a peaceful people who simply wanted to live and let live-until warlike white man came along. (Pointing out that it was fellow Africans who sold their kinsmen into slavery is unpopular in polite -- that is, white-guilt laden-conversation). 

The most recent rehashing of the "noble-other vs. evil white-man" paradigm is based on the U.S. response to the Islamic world post 9/11.  Following al-Qaeda's lead, academia and the media have been quick to portray George Bush as a ravenous brute (like the Vikings, also speaking an unintelligible tongue)  who mindlessly attacks the peaceful others -- this time Muslims -- in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. 

What seems to be missed by all, however, is the simple fact that, if whites have been traditionally aggressive or exploitative of non-whites, that is not because the former are intrinsically violent (a racist point, incidentally) but simply because they were able to.  And that's the bottom line of all history: Capability.  Did whites defeat and uproot Native Americans, enslave Africans, and colonize the rest because they lived according to some sort of unprecedented bellicose creed alien to non-whites?  Quite the contrary; they did so because they -- as opposed to natives, blacks, et. al. -- were able to do so. 

Had 10th century Native Americans developed galleys for transoceanic travel, or advanced fire arms, or compasses, or organized military structures and stratagems -- or any of those other things that have made the Western way of war supreme -- and had they arrived on the shores of Dark Age Europe, is there any doubt that they would have done the same exact thing?

Would they have conquered and subjugated in the name of empire, or would they have looked at the inferior pale savages and "respected" them, in the name of "diversity," leaving them wholly unmolested?  What if 18th century sub-Saharan blacks were technologically or militarily more advanced than their northern neighbors and could have easily subjugated and enslaved them?  Would they have done so, or would they have left them in peace in the name of "multiculturalism"?  These are the hypotheticals that no one seems interested in asking, since the answer is not only clear as day but immediately places whites and the rest of humanity on the same moral grounding. 

Nor can the argument be made that non-whites did not reach such a militarily advanced state because they were a peaceful and content people.  If so, why then did they also constantly war, kill, rape, plunder, and sell each other into slavery -- as history so unambiguously records?  If this is how they treated, and often still treat, their own kin, what would they have done to the "other," such as the white man?  As for Muslims, history attests that whenever there has been a caliphate on the ascendancy, it had no compunctions whatsoever about launching devastating wars of conquest.  Approximately 85% of the "Islamic world" today was subjugated during the Islamic conquests (or, according to the white-guilt lexicon, Islamic "expansions").

None of this is meant to exonerate the crimes of the white-man, but rather to put them in context by indicating that all people -- white, black, yellow, red, whatever -- are the same; they war, and, when capable -- keyword -- go on the offensive in search of conquest and hegemony.  Depending on scope, it could be either tribal or international hegemony.  Some religions incite these innate "passions," others mollify them.  Yet these passions-which, according to that astute philosopher, Thomas Hobbes, "carry us to partiality, pride, revenge and the like [e.g., war and conquest] -- apply to all of humanity.  To say otherwise is to be racist.


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To: neverdem

Raymond Ibrahim ... Is a Coptic Christian and mostly posts at Jihad Watch. Very good article


51 posted on 12/14/2008 6:49:33 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: SantosLHalper

You hit it right on the button.
Whatever sins White people may have,they pale when you look at what other races have done. The Chinese alone have killed millions of thier own people, and Africa is much better off now that the Blacks ran off the whites in Rhodeisa. And India sucks now that the Brits left.
The American Indians have a long history of genocide when they fought other tribes.


52 posted on 12/14/2008 7:12:15 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: neverdem

Inuit traditions say they got along with their Greenland Norse neighbors most of the time though there were clashes. The Inuit vehemently deny they wiped out the Norse and that other white men (probably English or German pirates) were responsible for that. This is not implausible since the English exterminated the Swedes from their North American colony in the 17th Century.


53 posted on 12/14/2008 7:21:33 AM PST by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: MathDoc

...because, as everyone knows, if you are blonde&blue, you are most certainly a racist.


54 posted on 12/14/2008 7:34:18 AM PST by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: neverdem
Language manipulation aside, the depiction of Vikings as brutal warriors and plunderers is at least plausible and historic

Vicious slanders spread by malcontented owners of seafront property

55 posted on 12/14/2008 7:57:14 AM PST by Oztrich Boy
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To: MathDoc

“Even those who are proud of European and American culture already see Europe as lost. They look at the growing 5% to 10% muslim minority in Europe and simply give up. That’s like a football team ahead 70-0 giving up as soon as the other team scores one touchdown. Our side may have demoralized itself, but that is not an excuse to give up and forfeit the game”

What’s happening in Europe has no relationship to the game of football. None.
The white/Christian Euros who are not “fighting back” are behaving that way for [either one of] two reasons:

Reason 1:
They are hopelessly liberalized/secularized, and actually have come to believe that embracing the notions of “multiculturalism” will save them. They hope and fantasize that the new hordes of Islamics can yet somehow be pacified, either through “assimilation” [which won’t happen] or by appeasement in the form of housing, benefits, anti-discrimination laws, etc.

Reason 2:
They are realistic in their assessment of the situation before them, and choose to do nothing because they fully understand that those “things they must do” to rectify their dilemma are so extreme as to be unpalatable to their internal constitutions and unacceptable to the outside world. Thus, they resign themselves to their inevitable fate.

Nevertheless, there _are_ those who are “proud of [their] European culture” and who _are_ speaking out and - if given the power to do so - are willing to take those unpalatable actions to drive out the influence of Islam in Western Europe. However, you (and many others here) would be among the first to put down the political groups of which I’m speaking. In England, there is the BNP. In France, there is the National Front. In Austria there is the Austrian Freedom Party (FPO). Denmark has the Danish People’s Party. Belgium has the Vlaams Blok. There is the League of the North in Italy. And there are additional parties in other Western European countries that not only recognize the danger of creeping Islam within their borders, but actively campaign and publicize against the Islamification of Western Europe.

And within EVERY country in which these parties exist, their leaders and members are labeled racists and bigots. Not only are the nationalist parties attacked for their message, they are often the subject of overt attempts to silence them or even ban their participation altogether within the political arena. At the extreme, they are murdered (example: Netherlands politician Pim Fortyn).

I contend that the ONLY political parties that have the potential to save Europe from Islam are indeed these nationalist parties. They understand the threat, speak out, name names and point fingers. They are unafraid to call out Islam on its intents and goals for Europe. And - given the power to do so - I contend they are the ONLY parties in Europe which would take proactive steps to reverse European Islamicization.

Europe cannot be saved by appeasement and by multiculturalism. What will “save” Europe (and by saving it I mean preserving it as a continent ruled and dominated by white/Christians, and where that culture prevails as it has for centuries) will be, can be nothing less than outright racism and discrimination against those who are non-Euro and non-Christian. At the very least, actions which will be called racist and discriminatory.

Those are hard words to speak in a forum dedicated to the notions of freedom. Yet in a reasoned and rational world, when confronted with problems that are all-but insurmountable, one must assess the dangers and forge a pathway forward based on cold-hearted reason. In view of that, I ask anyone reading this: how can ascendant Islam be “reasoned” with? In view of Islam’s history, how were their previous historical “advances” successfully reversed?

In the original article, the author mentions the American native Indians and the Viking invaders. Juxtapose this to Western Europe. It is now the white/Christians who are the “natives”, and the Islamics who are the Vikings. The numbers of the native Christians are shrinking, their will to resist is crumbling, and the strength of the invaders is growing by leaps and bounds - not only by sheer numbers, but in their cultural influence and the willingness to speak in a unified political voice. Given this, what outcome is probable?

I have written before on FreeRepublic, that the white/Christians of Western Europe have only two choices before them:
1. Boxcars, or...
2. Burquas.

If they cannot discover the internal fortitude to choose option #1, they WILL get option #2.

- John


56 posted on 12/14/2008 8:04:49 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
So sorry, Leftism. I can't find neverdem’s comments on Marxism.

I would like to read his comments about a solution.

Thank you.

57 posted on 12/14/2008 8:06:13 AM PST by wintertime
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To: ronnie raygun; MathDoc
It is up to the parents to school thier children on the greatness of this country and its culture at home. The education system is used to propagandise, indoctrinate and rewrite American history. STAND AND FIGHT!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Parents should never allow their children to be indoctrinated by a Marxist, not even for a minute. Schools are **not** the only places. Please consider the church Sunday schools and youth programs, scouting, summer camps,...etc.

But...By far, government K-12 schools, colleges, and universities are the worse offenders.

Conservatives must begin to set up alternatives.

58 posted on 12/14/2008 8:14:15 AM PST by wintertime
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To: ari-freedom

How about American culture?


59 posted on 12/14/2008 8:17:24 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: MathDoc
Even those who are proud of European and American culture already see Europe as lost. They look at the growing 5% to 10% muslim minority in Europe and simply give up. That's like a football team ahead 70-0 giving up as soon as the other team scores one touchdown. Our side may have demoralized itself, but that is not an excuse to give up and forfeit the game.

The Muslims in Europe are disproportionately on welfare. The crisis point will arrive when the European middle class can no longer support the Welfare State, or when the survival of the Welfare State necessitates the expulsion of all immigrant welfare recipients.

60 posted on 12/14/2008 8:20:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: rickmichaels

**In other words, the kid is a fag. ***

“Oh little Big Man, you look tired. Won’t you come into my tee pee and resth on sthoft furs? I will be your wife.”-—From the movie, LITTLE BIG MAN


61 posted on 12/14/2008 8:20:48 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: Wildbill22
I have seen the Congressional record stating the goals of Communism. Unfortunately we are nearly there.

And...the video of the KGB defector is chilling.

62 posted on 12/14/2008 8:23:46 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Fishrrman

Excellent post.


63 posted on 12/14/2008 8:31:18 AM PST by wintertime
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To: neverdem
Had 10th century Native Americans developed galleys for transoceanic travel, or advanced fire arms, or compasses, or organized military structures and stratagems -- or any of those other things that have made the Western way of war supreme -- and had they arrived on the shores of Dark Age Europe, is there any doubt that they would have done the same exact thing?

In fact something like this MAY happen. Recall that the Norse originally settled Greenland as well as Iceland. Eventually the Greenland settlements were abandoned. Part of the reason may have been due to Inuit expansion into Greenland.

64 posted on 12/14/2008 8:36:42 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

Your hopefully not closely examined acceptance of the collectivist chant “All cultures have positive aspects” disturbs me. While there is, theoretically speaking, some minor point about any culture which might be considered “positive”, reality and history shows all but the collectivism impaired that many cultures ARE inferior to America and Europe.

Islamic cultures are largely in the inferior catagory.

Unless, that is, if one accepts murder, rape, theft, and a host of abuses of women, starting with the female as being defined as chattel, to such specifically Islamic butcheries as the required citerectomy and excision of vaginal labia of Muslim women.

PS Those operations have been done, and still are being done, without any anesthesia, on fully conscious young women.

PPS Google the Muslims impaling a victim, which ends with the victim writhing on the stake.

Nice folks, those Muslims. Just as Presiden Bush said, - peaceful practioners of the “Religion of Peace”.


65 posted on 12/14/2008 9:10:21 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: ought-six
I remember seeing the attack on Reginald Denny, and the strutting thugs who perpetrated that assault. I also remember thinking at the time that such an exhibition was why Rule .308 was created.

I was at work when he was attacked. We watched it on TV. We also were monitoring ( as part of the job) the all police tac frequencies.

Unit after unit was standing by all over the Los Angeles area in assigned positions, ready to go in and help...they were ordered to stay in position and do nothing until ordered otherwise.

Plenty of LEO were mad as could be and had plenty of comments regarding being ordered to do nothing.

City officials were cowards giving orders hoping to not inflame the situation. Not a bit willing to send in LEO and try to stop Dennys' attack.

Like doing nothing would keep rioting from spreading... DUH!

66 posted on 12/14/2008 10:52:38 AM PST by wanderin
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To: wintertime; Leftism is Mentally Deranged
So sorry, Leftism. I can't find neverdem’s comments on Marxism.

If anyone follows my posts, it's brief: nevermarxism.

67 posted on 12/14/2008 11:17:13 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: wintertime

“I have seen the Congressional record stating the goals of Communism. Unfortunately we are nearly there.
And...the video of the KGB defector is chilling.”

Yes it is chilling. My only guess (and my only hope) is that the communists, both overt and covert, have underestimated and do not understand on a fundamental level the inner strengths of our system and the power of freedom.


68 posted on 12/14/2008 11:19:16 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: SantosLHalper

AMEN. My ancestors were Vikings. What can I say?


69 posted on 12/14/2008 11:26:11 AM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You wrote:

“Disagree. Stockholm syndrome. That, and the fact that Mr. Denny was brain-damaged by the attack.”

His forgiveness gives no hint that it is the result of brain damage. Pope John Paul II forgave - in person - his would be assassin and he was not brain damaged in the least in 1981. The Stockholm syndrome applies to hostages - not assault victims.

“His attack remains, like the Goldman-Simpson murder, an unjusticed travesty.”

True. And yet he forgave his attackers.


70 posted on 12/14/2008 12:03:36 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: ought-six
I remember seeing the attack on Reginald Denny, the strutting thugs who perpetrated that assault.

The MSM must stand indicted and indeed they were not. For the few, very few shots of Reginald Denny that were shown, had a stark contrast. There were the hundreds and hundreds of segments of the unfortunate beating of the man during his arrest. Even this was weighted by the MSM, by absolutely cutting out the kicking and violence by this man.

As you will know, when the police officers were initially acquitted, there were deaths and property damage. The MSM got off free, for their deliberate inflaming of a bad scene.

Hyenas and Jackals.

71 posted on 12/14/2008 12:50:33 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
Whoops, my previous post could be misread.

It was a black man that was arrested for driving a motorcycle dangerously.

I have forgotten his name. Denny was the victim of the riots that followed the acquittal of police officers in the first instance.

Denny cried and hugged the mother of "Football Williams" one of the thugs. I wonder where Williams is today?

72 posted on 12/14/2008 12:54:27 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: vladimir998
Your post #70.

True. And yet he forgave his attackers.

I note your interesting take on the business of Rodney King, and the victim of a "payback" attack. Like so many cases, the recipient of a revenge attack is likely the LAST person deserving. Reginald Denny virtually lost all sense of HIS own dignity. This is hard for me to say.

Damian "Football" Williams, the man who kicked Denny in the head, today is serving 46 years for killing a drug dealer. Working class myself, I will never understand a man who gets a break and then blows it.

73 posted on 12/14/2008 1:08:15 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: lentulusgracchus

Old Norse and Anglo-Saxon were close enough to be mutually understandable when the Vikings raided England. When forces of the last English King, Harold II (Goodwin) faced those of his brother Tostig and Norwegian King Harald II (Hardrada) at Stamford Bridge in 1066, everyone understood each other’s curses. And the English battle line chanting “Ut, Ut” is still understandable in modern English.


74 posted on 12/14/2008 1:19:52 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: Peter Libra

You wrote:

“I will never understand a man who gets a break and then blows it.”

Neither will I.


75 posted on 12/14/2008 1:26:13 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: varon

“it’s hard to be proud of European culture........especially since it has contributed so much to America’s greatness. “

yes, Europe gave the US the opportunity to show its greatness during WW1 and WW2.


76 posted on 12/14/2008 4:30:41 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ari-freedom
it’s hard to be proud of European culture.

I'd go so far as to say it's impossible to be "proud" of European culture, or any culture really. Since no one person is responsible for creating a culture, no one can fairly take "pride" in it.

But wouldn't you agree that there is much to admire in European culture?

77 posted on 12/14/2008 5:09:15 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: Peter Libra

The motorcyclist was named McDuffy, if I remember correctly.

He was beaten to death with six cell Mag Light flashlights. Thereafter, the Miami cops called such flashlights “McDuffy sticks”.

Sensitive chaps, weren’t they.

Decades later, though, I always use that name for my Mag Light when using it on field trips. The students always ask why that name - alas, it does appear they don’t have any idea of local history.

I then always add in a short talk about why the smaller the police force, or governmental unit in general, the better. One can reach the Miami police leadership fairly easily.

Trying to reach the Federal police agency heads is an exercise in futility.


78 posted on 12/14/2008 5:25:05 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: timm22

But wouldn’t you agree that there is much to admire in European culture?

not after WW2. Germany and Austria were supposedly at the height of cultural sophistication and then gave us the Holocaust and Nazi domination. And France was always a joke. I’m supposed to admire a bunch of effete elitists that fold under the slightest pressure?
I want the simple American spirit. America is *real*.


79 posted on 12/14/2008 5:41:36 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: GladesGuru
The motorcyclist was named McDuffy, if I remember correctly.


He was beaten to death with six cell Mag Light flashlights.

I am glad to have your post. For it was two awful and regrettable cases that sparked riots. I was in error with Rodney King's mode of transport and I confused it with the Arthur McDuffy (McDuffie) case. King was driving a car when he was pulled over. This was in the Los Angeles area in 1991.

The McDuffy case must have stuck in my mind, for in 1980 in Dade County, Florida, this insurance salesman and ex-Marine was on his motor cycle. He died shortly after his violent arrest when pulled over. Now the riots that followed killed 12 persons. Sadly there was not a prayer of justification for the law here. Perhaps there is the other side though- I have not heard it.

The King riots saw 53 killed and a billion dollars in damages. I believe nearly a year later on the court verdict letting the police off.

80 posted on 12/14/2008 6:39:47 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: rmlew
I think "Ut" is a new one on me. Can't think what the modern form would be.

They were speaking Old English (Saxon) after all.

81 posted on 12/17/2008 2:28:18 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I think "Ut" is a new one on me. Can't think what the modern form would be. They were speaking Old English (Saxon) after all.
You are going to kick yourself; "Out!" As in "Get Out!"
82 posted on 12/17/2008 10:57:55 AM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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