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Pat Buchanan: The Toyota Republicans
Human Events ^ | December 16, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 12/16/2008 9:41:55 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

"GOP to Detroit: Drop Dead!"

So may have read the headline Friday, had not President Bush stepped in to save GM, Ford and Chrysler, which Senate Republicans had just voted to send to the knacker's yard.

What are Republicans thinking of, pulling the plug, at Christmas, on GM, risking swift death for the greatest manufacturing company in American history, a strategic asset and pillar of the U.S. economy.

The $14 billion loan to the Big Three that Republican senators filibustered to death is just 2 percent of the $700 billion the Senate voted to bail out Wall Street. Having gone along with bailouts of Bear Stearns, AIG, Fannie, Freddie and CitiGroup, why refuse a reprieve to an industry upon which millions of the best blue-collar jobs in America depend?

In a good year, Americans buy 17 million cars. A more populous EU probably buys as many. Three billion people in India, Southeast Asia and China, four times as many people as there are in the EU and United States, are moving toward the middle class. They, too, will be wanting cars. And millions of them love American cars.

Is the Republican Party so fanatic in its ideology that, rather than sin against a commandment of Milton Friedman, it is willing to see America written forever out of this fantastic market, let millions of jobs vanish and write off the industrial Midwest?

So it would seem. "Companies fail every day, and others take their place," said Sen. Richard Shelby on "Face the Nation."

Presumably, the companies that will "take their place," when GM, Ford and Chrysler die, are German, Japanese or Korean, like the ones lured into Shelby's state of Alabama, with the bait of subsidies free-market Republicans are supposed to abhor.

In 1993, Alabama put together a $258 million package to bring a Mercedes plant in. In 1999, Honda was offered $158 million to build a plant there. In 2002, Alabama won a Hyundai plant by offering a $252 million subsidy.

"We have a number of profitable automakers in America, and they should not be disadvantaged for making wise business decisions while failure is rewarded," says Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina.

DeMint is referring to "profitable automakers" like BMW, which sited a plant in Spartanburg, after South Carolina offered the Germans a $150 million subsidy and $80 million to expand.

Be it BMW, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Mitsubishi or Hyundai, the South has become a sanctuary for foreign assembly plants, for which Southern states have been paying subsidies.

Fine. But why this "Let-them-eat-cake!" coldness toward U.S. auto companies? General Motors employs more workers than all these foreign plants combined. And, unlike Mitsubishi, General Motors didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.

Do these Southern senators understand why the foreign automakers suddenly up and decided to build plants in the United States?

It was the economic nationalism of Ronald Reagan.

When an icon of American industry, Harley-Davidson, was being run out of business by cutthroat Japanese dumping of big bikes to kill the "Harley Hog," Reagan slapped 50 percent tariffs on their motorcycles and imposed quotas on imported Japanese cars. Message to Tokyo. If you folks want to keep selling cars here, start building them here.

Fear of Reaganism brought those foreign automakers, lickety-split, to America's shores, not any love of Southern cooking.

Do the Republicans not yet understand how they lost the New Majority coalition that gave them three landslides and five victories in six presidential races from 1968 to 1988? Do they not know why the Reagan Democrats in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan are going home?

The Republican Party gave their jobs away!

How? By telling U.S. manufacturers they could shut plants here, get rid of their U.S. workers, build factories in Mexico, Asia or China, and ship their products back, free of charge.

Republican globalists gave U.S. manufacturers every incentive to go abroad and take their jobs with them, the jobs of Middle America.

And, for 30 years, that is what U.S. manufacturers have done, have been forced to do, as their competitors closed down and moved their plants abroad in search of low-wage Third World labor.

It's Herbert Hoover time in here, Vice President Cheney is said to have told the Senate Republicans -- as they prepared to march out onto the floor and turn thumbs down on any reprieve for General Motors.

In today's world, America faces nationalistic trade rivals who manipulate currencies, employ nontariff barriers, subsidize their manufacturers, rebate value-added taxes on exports to us and impose value-added taxes on imports from us, all to capture our markets and kill our great companies. And we have a Republican Party blissfully ignorant that we live in a world of us or them. It doesn't even know who "us" is.

We need a new team on the field and a new coach who believes with Vince Lombardi that "winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; automakers; bailout; congress; democrats; economy; gop; nnino; patbuchanan; patbuchananhatesjews; pitchforkpat; republicans; toyota; trollsonparade; uaw; unions
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To: do the dhue
That is just it, Toyota, Honda, and others are building cars right here in the US by US workers. They also don't have the overhead that GM, FORD, and Chrysler do. US manufacturers have to pay for the retirement of all their former workers. Honda and others do not, because they have not been here that long...

Well, no. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Here's the math. In 2004, GM says, its health care costs were $1,528 a vehicle and pension costs were $695 a vehicle. Total: $2,223. Toyota's comparable costs: $201 for health care (according to A.T. Kearney) and perhaps $50 for matching workers' 401(k) contributions (my estimate). GM refuses to provide legacy costs for its 2005 vehicles. But by my estimate, they were $1,850 for health care, $700 for pensions. Total: $2,550. (I'm using GM pension and health care numbers and WardsAuto.com's vehicle-production stats.) Numbers Toyota gave me indicate its U.S. health care costs stayed at about $200 a vehicle. And let's use the same, probably-too-high $50 for 401(k) costs...

Toyota doesn't provide pensions for retirees, they only offer 401(k) programs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/27/AR2006022701328.html

Toyota also doesn't offer 30-and-out programs, as does GM.

201 posted on 12/16/2008 2:21:11 PM PST by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
You prefer subsidizing foreign auto makers with tax dollars? Just about every foreign auto plant is there because of some tax subsidies. I would rather have no tax dollars go to any business...but if money is doled out...preferably American companies over foreign...

Those are state subsidies, not federal.

...and yes, Michigan provides the same incentives to the Detroit 3.

202 posted on 12/16/2008 2:23:46 PM PST by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat’s stuck more in the 40’s.


203 posted on 12/16/2008 2:30:41 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: 70th Division

Another point I wish to make is that I have recently gone through my collection of Hayne’s auto repair manuals bought over the years:

Chevy Lumina
Chevy Silverado
Ford Aerostar
Chevy Malibu
Chrysler Town & Country
Dodge Dakota

Strange... I never bought a repair manual for my old Honda Accord or my Mazda Protege. I just changed the oil and replaced the brake pads. I can’t count how many hours I’ve spent busting my knuckles and back and how many dollars spent buying parts for those American vehicles.

Say what you want about American car quality. I’m not buying it any more. My wallet and my back can’t take it anymore. Besides, I’m cutting down on my organized labor footprint. I don’t buy union made if I can help it.


204 posted on 12/16/2008 2:33:14 PM PST by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: Tublecane
“Were on the verge of a depression, our government is so corrupted they now control banking”

What do you mean “now”? Where have you been for the last century?

Oh, and if you're going to quote me, at least use my entire sentence.

Here, I'll help you out.

Were on the verge of a depression, our government is so corrupted they now control banking and all of our major industries...

205 posted on 12/16/2008 2:48:07 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pat, public companies are NOT "patriotic/national" entities. They exist solely for the purpose of providing returns to investors via successfully providing a service for the public.

Oh, and tell your buddy Piatek that he is a moron.

206 posted on 12/16/2008 2:50:45 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
"And, the real message here...is that the same Senators who killed the auto bailout are from states that had no problem subsidizing foreign auto makers....they would rather aid a foreigner than an American"

Don't you think that states would have offered the same incentives to an American automaker seeking to open a manufacturing plant? Problem is that the US automakers are not looking to expand production or move plants to friendlier territory because they are in the firm grip of the UAW.

Mercedes, Toyota, Honda and others made announcements that they wanted to open a plant and states competed for their business.

This is not a case of senators preferring foreign companies to US companies.

207 posted on 12/16/2008 2:57:53 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: All
Pat can drop dead. But if he's not going to do that perahps he could identify the difference between $100 million and $15 billion. Because in Pat's world of hideous subsidies, apparently the magnitude bewteen the two is insignificant. Subsidies suck @$$, to be sure, but it's not like Pat Buchanan is against them in principle or anything.

Anyone who hangs on this guy's word is not a conservative, in the limited government aspect, whatsoever.

208 posted on 12/16/2008 3:25:44 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: LowCountryJoe
>>>>Pat can drop dead.

Typically intelligent argument from a libertarian. You guys are all so smart and sophisticated.

209 posted on 12/16/2008 3:28:33 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: smallbiz
If we bail them out, they will produce more cars and lose more money.
Agreed. And they'll be five years behind what the Public wants/needs. And it'll be shoddily made.The worst I see is the government muscling in with their demands as the Lender, and we'll get real cruddy small Eco-cars (which won't sell). One sidebar-Isn't Chrysler owned by Daimler-Benz, why are we bailing out a foreign company?
210 posted on 12/16/2008 3:30:11 PM PST by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Well, at least we'll probably get another holiday out of the deal.)
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To: EricT.
Well all I know is that I have owned 5 cavaliers. The present one an ‘04 has 178k on it. It gets over 30 MPG and all I have done besides regular maintenance is plugs and wires. The Malibu was the car of the year last year. Now granted they did make some junk in the 80's All my chebbys have been since '91
211 posted on 12/16/2008 3:56:19 PM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Aut Pax Aut Bellum
One sidebar-Isn't Chrysler owned by Daimler-Benz, why are we bailing out a foreign company? "

It's all about jobs. If Americans are not working, they are not buying. The interest rate to banks is irrelevant. Washington is on the wrong track. There is no recovery without a job recovery.

212 posted on 12/16/2008 3:58:37 PM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: 70th Division
Ya can you crank out a B-24 every hour like the Willow Run Ford plant did during the 40’s?

The 1940s? Sixty years ago is your baseline? Yea, I could put together and manage an assembly line to build that obsolete plane without problem and without having to use any of the big three's facilities. I've done it with current military hardware.

Now if I was forced to use GMs facilities and current unionized workforce, I doubt I could keep the assembly line running with that volume over time because the odds that these union employees would sabtoge my assembly line is darn near certain. Could I set up in the south and build this simple plane, with ease. Setting up production lines is not that complicated.

I assume you are aware that Ford did not design the B-24, but was one of the contracted builders.

213 posted on 12/16/2008 4:20:52 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Aut Pax Aut Bellum

“One sidebar-Isn’t Chrysler owned by Daimler-Benz, why are we bailing out a foreign company?”

I’m not exactly sure how it happened, but my understanding is Daimler-Benz bought Chrysler raped the company of most of its value then spun it off to a private investor.


214 posted on 12/16/2008 4:26:52 PM PST by smallbiz (Palin 2012)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Yessiree bob, back when the US was a wealthy and powerful free country populated by American families in clean pressed clothing and not a tattoo or piercing to be seen on Main Street.

A VERY brief period in our history, as the European economies had been destroyed, and the Asians were just getting started. We all but had the world markets to ourselves, and American labor could extort all it could from their employers.

Of course, prior to the 1950s, many of our families lived in rowhouses or tenements (which they usually couldn't afford to own themselves), near belching factories, making only just enough to feed their families.

215 posted on 12/16/2008 4:28:56 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: 70th Division
Ya can you crank out a B-24 every hour like the Willow Run Ford plant did during the 40’s?

Despite a lot of promises of that level of production, Willow Run never quite made it. Their best month produced 428 planes, but by that time (late 1944) the USAAF had made the decision to phase out the B-24 in favor of the B-29 and B-32 and production was slowed.

216 posted on 12/16/2008 4:33:57 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Diplomat
"because the odds that these union employees would sabtoge my assembly line is darn near certain."

In your gripe against unions you don't know what was going on then. Most line workers were in the 15,000,000 man military and Rosie the Riveter was on the line. There was a war to be won and there maybe more in our future.

217 posted on 12/16/2008 4:35:24 PM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“the greatest manufacturing company in American history, a strategic asset and pillar of the U.S. economy. “

Earth to Pat: GM is sinking faster than the Titanic, and you want the US Government to put 500 more people on board to help unfasten the lifeboats.

Brilliant.


218 posted on 12/16/2008 4:38:32 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Diplomat

The real reason we win wars is not that we are more efficient. It is because the government runs our troops we are inefficient. We win because we have more and better stuff to kill the enemy. Plain and simple. If we loose that capability we loose

I was just giving an example of what we did 68 years ago. Your example assumes that union workers are not Americans first. That is a naive assumption. I am sure most would not agree with you. Labor contract have made them lazy. People in the north are not lazy. There is more poverty in the south than the north.

Id does not matter who designed the plane. It matters that they did a damn fine job of building it. As did Flint building tanks. As did A.C. Spark Plug in Flint building 50 cal machine guns. I know my mother worked on that line.

So you are saying that the people in the south are better workers because they are not union? You still fighting the war here?


219 posted on 12/16/2008 4:50:19 PM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
I opposed the financial bailout from the beginning. It was bs too.

Again, if the big 3 is so vital to our war effort, why can't any of you union shills name any current military hardware that they produce?

This notion that a big 3 bankruptcy will effect our military readiness and production is a LIE.

Does Ford have the M1A1 under contract? No, in spite of their enormous influence on Congress, these supposedly DEFENSE VITAL producers do NOT win current military contracts over other UNIONIZED American companies. That is because the CONTRACTS ARE COMPETITIVE BID. They lose in an open bidding process because their labor rates are sky high due to UAW collusive leverage over the auto industry for half a century.

General Dynamics is building the M1A1, why don't the big three try to win the next follow-on order for tanks? The UAW killed American auto companies, no amount of money is going to fix the fact that most Americans know Detroit cars are utter garbage. The UAW wanted to be management, now lets see them build cars without stealing money from my wallet to do it.

Regardless, I will NEVER buy an automobile made by UAW employees, period. I'm sure most, who've owned one of their autos know the reason why. Raping the taxpayer is not going to improve your auto's reputation, nor will it get us to buy them.

220 posted on 12/16/2008 4:52:13 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

They never lived up to their goal but they turned out a lot of planes. My dad flew on a B-17. The Flying Fortress. He came home alive or I would not be here.


221 posted on 12/16/2008 4:54:31 PM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pat's stuck in the 1950's.

You're off by a decade. And like most of Pat's stuff it sounds far better in the original German.

L

222 posted on 12/16/2008 5:07:33 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: polymuser; All

Cause he lives in the past..


223 posted on 12/16/2008 5:21:31 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: napscoordinator; All

A lot of stuff was hidden in the 50’s.


224 posted on 12/16/2008 5:26:17 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: 70th Division; All

Not really, but this isn’t the 40’s anymore..


225 posted on 12/16/2008 5:27:58 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What are Republicans thinking of, pulling the plug, at Christmas, on GM, risking swift death for the greatest manufacturing company in American history, a strategic asset and pillar of the U.S. economy.

1) Millions of Americans get up every morning and work jobs for a mere pittance compared to what featherbedded UAW jobs pay. A forklift operator at the average wharehouse earns $29K a year. A UAW forklift operator earns $106K a year. The typical associate professor at a college or university doesn't make that much.

2) Most business owners face the constant threat of bankruptcy if they do not have to satisfy the demands of their customer base. This causes them to produce useful, desireable products; not PT Cruisers.

3) Most consumers choose to reward businesses that make useful and desireable products at a fair price. They do not expect the government to decide who gets rewarded and then to extort that reward money out of the taxpayer. That reminds the average American of an old joke from Communist Russia: "We pretend to work; they pretend to pay us."

4) The UAW might want to sell off the PGA Championship calibre golf course and the automotice CEOs may want to stop the private jet travel before they bum money off of Congress which is expropriated from tax-paying families where both parents work to support a modest life style.

I kind of think that's what went through Senator Corker's mind during the latest shake-down...

226 posted on 12/16/2008 6:33:16 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Change is not always good, and Hope is not a plan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And, unlike Mitsubishi, General Motors didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.

Yes, and I'm sure PJB has the transcript of the corporate shareholder meeting where all the big institutional shareholders in Mitsubishi Motors got together and said. "Hey, let's sink the entire US Pacific Fleet, that HAS to increase our market share."

227 posted on 12/16/2008 6:46:55 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Change is not always good, and Hope is not a plan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Trouble is, he is right on this on.

If the GOP senators, who whored for money to bring foreign auto makers to their states, kill this, guess what? They are not standing up as conservatives or as Republicans, they are mearly doing what the Illinois governor just got busted for doing. Being a well paid and bought for politician.

Isn't it odd that the majority of the guys screaming the loudest have Japanese plants in their districts, and that they arranged for some rather nice incentives for those plants to be there? Don't you think that the Dems can't see that? If GM goes under and brings down Ford with it (MOPAR is dead no matter what), and we get millions of angry unemployed former workers, does anyone really think that in 2010 they will say “Well, at least the GOP bailed out the banks!”

The GOP is really trying to kill themselves off, and this just might do it. You can't block a small bail out with a group of congress critters with questionable motives and not get some blow back. Not when you just gave a trillion to the Treasury department, and no one seems to remember what happened to it.

228 posted on 12/16/2008 6:47:11 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

The Whigs, Know-Nothings, Federalists and many other major American parties disappeared, so can the Democratic or Republican parties if they fail. Another will appear to take their place.


229 posted on 12/16/2008 6:50:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: dfwgator
I would have suggested BMW; but doesn't Mrs. Buchanan drive one of their sports cars?
230 posted on 12/16/2008 6:53:06 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Change is not always good, and Hope is not a plan.)
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To: JamesP81
UAW isn't all that bad, but the bondholders who willingly bought their paper knowing they couldn't repay the debt do need to be thrashed.

Bankruptcy is the way that gets done.

Better public education is how you fix UAW.

231 posted on 12/16/2008 6:56:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: JamesP81

Makes me wonder why Buchanan is flacking for the bondholders. This is very strange.


232 posted on 12/16/2008 6:57:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: redgolum
What a silly, mindless response ~ donchya' know the "industrial revenue bond" system was pioneered in Michigan for the purpose of KEEPING GM, Ford, Chrysler and affiliated auto plants there and not in other states.
233 posted on 12/16/2008 6:59:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And maybe another does need to.

But for years here, I have been told to sacrifice what I believe in to vote for an “electable” candidate, and now some of the same are saying it is time to draw a line in the sand.

Lets just say this is a bit odd, and those screaming virtue are not the lily white fiscal Puritans that they are pretending to be.

234 posted on 12/16/2008 7:02:44 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ex-snook
The lack of credit preceeded the dropoff in car purchases. Unemployment is following.

Plus, oil prices went way above the ability of the market to sustain that industry, and there was a worldwide wheat and grain shortage LAST YEAR brought about by the sort of cool, dry weather that preceeds a major glaciation.

The Ice Age is returning and you just have to expect some stuff to go bad.

235 posted on 12/16/2008 7:05:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SmokingJoe

And pretty soon, Chevies, Fords, and Chryslers.


236 posted on 12/16/2008 7:06:37 PM PST by factoryrat
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To: Monterrosa-24

Nope. The original purpose of gun control was to disarm blacks. You know what a bitch it is to clean blood out of white sheets.


237 posted on 12/16/2008 7:08:50 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Diplomat

Ask people here how many other professions are represented by the UAW other than autoworkers. They also represent a lot of nurses, agricultural workers, machine shops, aerospace companies, and other industries. But your words will fall on deaf ears, because unions=evil; cheap, easily exploited labor=good. America is going the route of Britian, where people who work in manufacturing are ranked as second-class citizens, who are beneath the contempt of the financial elite. The banking bailout is the proof in the pudding. Hand out cash with no strings attached to all of your banking buddies, and let manufacturing twist in the wind. Let ALL of them fail, none of them deserve bailouts. Let them pay for the choices they made. But as we see here, the monied elite protect their own.


238 posted on 12/16/2008 7:35:06 PM PST by factoryrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He needs to write a convincing article as to why the American taxpayer needs to reward failure. The free market is a rough and tumble adventure - only the best business models survive, it’s not for the squeamish...businesses survive based on merit, rather than entitlement. To me, free markets are a hallmark of conservatism. Buchanan has always been a protectionist, which puts him at odds with pretty much most of the Republican Party.


239 posted on 12/16/2008 7:51:01 PM PST by Valentine_W
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To: do the dhue

>>We wanted carburetors and fuel injection that could get us 100 miles to the gallon. We had this technology in the 70s, but the car manufacturers allowed OPEC to by those pattens.

That’s right up there with the 9/11 truthers and the chemtrails folks.


240 posted on 12/16/2008 7:57:46 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He has one valid point- what they’re asking for is far, far, far less than what Wall Street got.


241 posted on 12/16/2008 8:01:51 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If greed is a virtue, than corporate socialism is conservative)
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To: JamesP81
I would reluctantly tolerate a big three bailout in the interests of national security, so that we have companies that have the capability of manufacturing weapons should we get involved in a conventional conflict. However, the UAW has hamstrung the auto makers to the point that they can’t fulfill this function anyway. With that in mind, I see no reason to bailout the people who got this crap started to begin with.

I think that was a huge reason why Chrysler was bailed out in 1979/80 was because they built the M1 tank, at least I know they built the engine, a gas turbine that was based on their earlier designs they used in trucks and cars. I'm against the bailout, that is unless you can make the case for national security, but I think we need to get the UAW to either see reason or break them, I prefer the first option but if they won't budge, we will have to get tough.
242 posted on 12/16/2008 9:48:40 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are there any workers still at Mitsubishi that built the Vals and Zeros that attacked Pearl Harbor? That was 67 years ago! While we’re at it, let’s quit buying Range Rovers because the Brit’s sicced the Hessians on us...

Yeah, that was a stupid assertion, about Mitsubishi bombing Pearl Harbor. Those planes were guns in someone's hands. One thing I learned from my grandfather is that French engineers taught Mitsubishi workers how to build those planes. And that's why some of those Japanese workers learned how to speak French. So, the French also bombed Pearl Harbor! As you say, all those workers are long dead.

243 posted on 12/16/2008 10:02:35 PM PST by roadcat
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To: JoeA
In the midsize segment, where American cars compete effectively, the most reliable car (JD Powers results of 3 years of ownership) is the Buick Century. Yet everyone assumes it's the Camry or the Accord. The Accord finished behind the Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable, and the Buick Century and LaCrosse. The Camry was tied with them.

Now having said this, there are many issues with the American car industry. Some problems are self inflicted, many are not.


We do make some good cars. I work for an auto parts store, I deliver auto parts and help with the stock when I'm not on the road. I drive a 5 cylinder Chevy Colorado pickup, it isn't a bad pickup, I'd consider getting one.

There are some well made cars that do last and are hard to kill. Mom traded her 1989 Buick Skylark in for a 2004 Hyundai Sonata. The Hyundai is good but there are times I wish I kept the Buick, it was generally cheap to get parts for, easy to fix and cheaper if you can't do it yourself. It was also hard to kill, one time it was two quarts low on oil, the 2.5 liter "Iron Duke" engine kept going. Basically, it was a Chevy Cavalier in a Buick body. My father said Cavaliers are hard to kill. I should have dumped my Ford Explorer and took the Buick, it costs a lot more to fix. I love SUV's, I like to haul a lot but moneywise, the Explorer is a lot more to fix.

Other cars that I heard where much the same, hard to kill, were Chevy Chevettes, my aunt had one, I should have gotten it when she passed on, a 1983 model. Not much, but a good "beater car." Dodge Omnis and Plymouth Horizons are like that too.
244 posted on 12/16/2008 10:08:38 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pat showing his true protectionist colors.

Why should the U.S. consumer support overpaid union workers?

245 posted on 12/16/2008 10:12:45 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Tublecane
You mean Reagan tried to pick winners and losers. If he had done that within our own counrty, you’d have probably (and rightly) scolded him. To me, the international game is no different. If you want to lob bombs at somebody as punushment, fine. But why should we trust our president to have the wisdom to balance efficiency with, I don’t know what to call it, honor? Efficiency is fine enough with me. By the way, there is no “open market monster.” That is a figment of your imagination. We cannot control the world with our markets, and should not want to. It’s not about morality. It’s about efficiency. And if it’s not about efficiency, then its just another part of politics, and stops being a matter of economics. Then, before you know it, we’re a merchantilist state again.

Amen.

Real free trade (not the phony NAFTA/WTO kind) opens up markets and benefits the consumer, and that is the purpose of the market.

246 posted on 12/16/2008 10:25:11 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
I dont know....but I do know there is nothing in the Bible that says the US must sign bad Free Trade deals that ship American jobs to Communist China

Those are not 'free trade' agreements, they are managed trade between nations.

A true free trade agreement would simply removing all barriers of trade between the nations, not managing them.

247 posted on 12/16/2008 10:26:56 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: 70th Division
I have found out that a lot of people are not up to speed on the fact that the Big 3 do make good cars now. I know they suckes in the 80s but this is not the 80s

You are correct, but regaining a reputation is very difficult once it is lost.

248 posted on 12/16/2008 10:28:08 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Iscool
The Republican Party gave their jobs away!

And the Democrats didn't have anything to do with those managed trade agreements, NAFTA/WTO?

The fact is that those union workers would rather see their companies go under rather then make concessions.

249 posted on 12/16/2008 10:31:34 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: LearsFool
I'm sure glad Ronald Reagan disagreed with you, and used the dollar as a weapon against the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union collapsed because it overspent money on trying to keep industries going that were not productive, and we will also.

250 posted on 12/16/2008 10:43:58 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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