Skip to comments.The TRUE definition of a "Natural Born Citizen."
Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work - The Law of Nations - applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.
The Law of Nations was so influnntial in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the US Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.
Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the US Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the US Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding US Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the US Constitution used for the 'Natural Born Citizen' phrase they placed within the Constitution. It nails what the Constitution means by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the US Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Heussein Obama Junior, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the US Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
That is simply the only thing the Rule of Law could conclude. All US military personal and every other American under oath to protect and defend the US Constitution will be duty bound to remove the fraudulent usurper. This situation is REGARDLESS of votes, electors, media blackouts, high profile embarrassments, state court decisions, supreme court actions or inaction, birth certificates real or forged, or any other documents - Obama can NOT LEGALLY BE The US President. Fraud and illegality has become customary under the Bush-Clinton-Bush syndicate of sudden destruction.
Emmerich de Vattel's explanation of "Natural Born Citizen" given in his 1759 benchmark work, used, and so often quoted, by the framers of the US constitution, makes the understanding simple, explicit, clear, definite, exact, precise, and strict. In the CITIZENS AND NATIONS, paragraph #212, de Vattel says: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."
No documentation is required. Everyone should understand and KNOW the answer to the question of what country is the country of which Obama was a natural born citizen. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Hussein Obama Junior, to be a natural born United States citizen. He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya. Barcak Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born British Citizen or a natural born Kenyan Citizen. There is NO possible way Barack Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born US Citizen; because, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior was a British and/or Kenyan Citizen. Whether Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon, is irrelevant. Birth documents, real or forged, are irrelevant. Yes, even VOTES ARE IRRELEVANT. Even Supreme Court action, or inaction, is irrelevant. It is simply FRAUD and illegal for Barack Hussein Obama Junior to be put in the office of US President by any means or reason.
This explains Obama's strange behavior in all of his documents and records being SEALED and why he has already spent over $800,000.00 saying NO DOCUMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED UNSEALED or made public.
Barack Hussein Obama Junior is at the epicenter of the greatest national disaster in the history of the United States. NOTHING which Obama would ever do in the office of US President could ever be anything other than FRAUD and ILLEGAL.
I like the way brother Ted said it - The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution's "natural born citizen" clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from "law" to "political and Congressional", leading to the `inauguration' of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his `commander in chief' status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the "usurper" may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no "tin foil hat" joke.
AN-OBAMA-NATION CAN BE NOTHING BUT FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGAL.
Did Non-Sequitur just admit to being a troll?
***Yes. I wonder if there should be a star next to his name on the CertifiGate Troll List.
“I wonder if there should be a star next to his name on the CertifiGate Troll List.”
Thanks for the ping!
I was speaking of Congress’s role not the meeting of the Electoral Colleg. Congress must receive and count valid votes. Invalid ones can be ruled as such.
McCain produced proof as soon as challenged. Obama will never win our allegiance but there is more to this than that. Why would he not make us look like idiots by producing the proof? Why doesn’t the Treason media ridicule us for thinking these cases have some merit? They love to try and make us look foolish and have convinced a huge proportion of the nation that we are.
Why isn’t the uniqueness of this story worthy of exploration and presentation to the public? Why is there a eerie silence in the Treason media about this?
Oh, in an AOL poll almost half those polling last night believed this was not a waste of time or foolish.
Excellent analysis and exposition of the fallacious logic of strictly applying Vattel to today. He was certainly a great influence on our thinkers and it is good discuss his ideas as they have been understood and adapted by our legal thought.
All of our former presidents had well established antecedents so this element of the Constitution has had no consideration and was just a curiosity.
Why doesn’t this Ahole just produce the document or ask the Governor of Hawaii to release it to the media. Then we can move on and hash out all the rest of the problems in the world.
The uniqueness of Obama’s past and the constant covering it up should end. He has not released proof of his eligibility and refusing to do so it he can will not help him.
Now that the entire nation is getting a good idea of the corrupt political environment he comes from he is being weakened already and doesn’t need unnecessary opposition.
Most of us here will accept the Governor of Hawaii’s word if he would ask her to speak it.
He has NOT released his “certificate of live birth”. What he has released is a “CERTIFICATION of live birth” which is a different thing entirely, could be produced for someone born outside the State of Hawaii (his sister has one and she was born in Indonesia), and even the State of Hawaii does not accept the thing as birth evidence in all cases.....besides, the one posted on various web sites may have been altered.......there’s enough there to raise a great deal of doubt.
It would help if you would actually break down and read the court decision that you're disputing. Justice Gray clearly stated the natural born citizen rule, and that exception included the children of foreign dignitaries and heads of state.
That is the antithesis of the Framers intent as it relates to the natural-born requirement for the office of POTUS.
And you base that on what?
You are reading an awful lot into the Wong Kim Ark decision that is not there.
And how would you know?
Just because you don't like the answers doesn't mean I didn't address them.
You know as well as we all know that a 'certificate of(live) birth' does not prove that he was born in Hawaii!
Then prove he wasn't. That's the key to all this, isn't it? Obama isn't going to indulge your demands and no court is going to order him to...unless you can present solid evidence that Obama is lying. If you want to see an end to this then I suggest you stop boo-hooing and start digging. Prove him wrong. Show him up. End the speculation once and for all by going out there and coming up with something, anything that shows Obama was born in Kenya. Let me know how you do.
Nope. Unless tweaking wackjobs qualifies one as a troll.
The Senate must receive and count the votes received from the states. Period. Nothing in the Constitution, either in Article I or the 12th Amendment, say that the Senate decides which are valid and which are not. Objections can be filed, but it takes at least one senator and one congressman to file it and both Houses must approve the objection. That's the only way the proceedings can be halted, and the chance of that happening in a Democrat-controlled Congress hovers between zilch and none.
"Never do what the enemy wishes you to do, for this reason alone, that he desires it" - Napoleon, Maxims of War.
It's not hurting him among his supporters, and I suggest that the mighty hand of God could descend from the clouds with a copy of Obama's birth certificate and most of those now opposed to him would still say, "Yeah, but...".
I do agree with you 100% on that one, arrogantsob. All legal issues aside, purely from a “leadership” point of view, it is unconscionable that Obama would fight to hide from the public the proof of his job eligibility — all the more so as he ran on a platform of “transparency in government”. It’s a shame the first black president in U.S. history will likely also be the “most corrupt in history”. For the sake of the history books, I wish the DNC had picked a cleaner candidate.
They probably have no legal obligation to her. But, as I mentioned above, properly trained health care professionals will simply refuse to comment on issues like this. Otherwise, you could do an end-run around the privacy rules through a process of elimination (if ten hospitals tell you someone was not a patient but the 11th refuses to comment, you can deduce that the person might have been a patient).
Do you really think that hospital personnel will say nothing, or do you think that the hospital personnel will cooperate with the reporter and at least check hospital records to see if a John Mirse was ever a patient at that Hawaii hospital?
If they have received proper training by legal counsel, they will tell you that the hospital does not reveal anything about their patient list, period.
I say that the Hawaii hospital would have no legal restraints to at least tell the reporter whether or not a John Mirse was ever a patient at the hospital, the main reason being that I was dead.
Your legal privacy rights do not go away when you die. They simply come under the control of your estate
With the passage of HIPAA, hospitals have gotten very careful about what they reveal. For example, when a co-worker of mine called the hospital where my wife gave birth to our son to confirm they were still there so he could send flowers, the hospital would not even confirm that fact.
No, you're adding a third class of citizen which doesn't exist. As Justice Gray pointed out in his decision the law recognizes two classes of citizenship - citizen at birt or naturalized citizen. If Obama was born in Hawaii then he's a citizen at birth, AKA natural born citizen, and then is eligible to be president. It's all there in the decision itself.
As I've stated before, in 1898 going from "alien" to "citizen" was a tremendous leap, and not without justifiable dissent.
Dissent all you want but that doesn't change the decision of the court as expressed in the majority opinion.
Going from "alien" to POTUS was inconceivable, and certainly *was not* the question presented by record to the Court.
The question was what constitutes a natural born citizen, AKA citizen at birth. And the court answered that.