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S.F. blames out-of-towners for endless homeless problem
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/20/8 | C.W. Nevius

Posted on 12/22/2008 8:07:09 AM PST by SmithL

City officials are finally admitting what others have been saying for years: San Francisco is attracting huge numbers of homeless people from all over. Thousands of transient people, arriving from other counties, states and even countries, are overwhelming the city's homeless system.

Facing a crippling budget shortfall, officials at San Francisco's homeless agencies are proposing a radical idea - take care of the city's own first, and require newcomers to show proof of residency for aid.

"If a homeless family living in San Francisco doesn't get shelter, and somebody just off the bus does, it doesn't seem fair," said Trent Rhorer, director of the Department of Human Services.

San Francisco has a long, proud history of reaching out to those who are homeless. This idea is bound to generate vociferous political debate and heated objections from homeless advocacy groups.

"It's scapegoating," said Paul Boden, director of the Western Regional Advocacy Project. "We have a crisis, so let's batten down the hatches and close the door."

But Dariush Kayhan, the mayor's homeless policy director, makes the case that San Francisco has led the nation in innovative, and expensive, homeless solutions.

"Since January of 2004 (when Gavin Newsom took office), we have housed 5,186 homeless people," Kayhan said. "We have built close to 3,500 homeless units, with another 445 to be built next year. And we know that 90 percent of those we have put in housing stay housed."

By any measure, say Kayhan and Rhorer, the $190 million San Francisco spends annually helping the homeless is the highest per capita outlay of any U.S. city.

In addition, the city's Homeward Bound program - which provides free bus fare for homeless who want to leave the city - has been a success since it was adopted in 2005. This year, through November, more than 800 were...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; homeless; homelessindustry; illegalaliens; sanctuary; sanctuaryfrancisco; sanfranciscovalues; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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You can tell the newcomers by the flowers in their hair.
1 posted on 12/22/2008 8:07:10 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Birdseed = birds.


2 posted on 12/22/2008 8:08:37 AM PST by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: SmithL

That’s what happens when you make it attractive with shelters, soup kitchens, etc. Just like a turdpile, atttracting flies.


3 posted on 12/22/2008 8:08:46 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: SmithL
Same thing happens in Mpls/St. Paul. Folks from out of town and even from outside the US get off the bus and walk directly over to collect their welfare.
4 posted on 12/22/2008 8:08:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SmithL

Funny. San Francisco is a sanctuary city for illegals but is now going to ask for proof of residency from homeless people, even if they are legal citizens.


5 posted on 12/22/2008 8:09:13 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: SmithL

Yeah, I remember my last trip. We slept in the park by city hall and took a dump on the sidewalk.


6 posted on 12/22/2008 8:09:27 AM PST by nufsed
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To: SmithL

Subsidize something, you get more of it, so don’t complain, San Fran.


7 posted on 12/22/2008 8:10:37 AM PST by Will88
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To: SmithL

How can they show proof of residency if they are homeless?
Hahahahahahahahaaaa


8 posted on 12/22/2008 8:10:45 AM PST by barbarianbabs (soylentgreenispeople)
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To: Kieri

“Birdseed = birds.”

LOL


9 posted on 12/22/2008 8:10:48 AM PST by VicVega (Sorry for the delay, my comments have to be approved before posting.)
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To: Kieri

They are obviously not spending enough money.

The Homeless budget should be expanded greatly.


10 posted on 12/22/2008 8:10:51 AM PST by Boiling Pots (The USA has become one huge pyramid scheme. Thanks George, John, Nancy and Harry.)
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To: SmithL
But Dariush Kayhan, the mayor's homeless policy director, makes the case that San Francisco has led the nation in innovative, and expensive, homeless solutions.

Just another way of saying that they installed a perpetually filled bird feeder.
11 posted on 12/22/2008 8:10:55 AM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: Kieri

Laconic.


12 posted on 12/22/2008 8:12:30 AM PST by patton (T)
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To: SmithL

Everyone knows (or should know) Economics 101 - that is the Law of Supply and Demand. There is a corollary that applies whenever the government stick its political whorish head into economics: That which is subsidized tends to grow exponentially.


13 posted on 12/22/2008 8:13:30 AM PST by MarkT
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To: SmithL
When the cost of something (goods/services) goes to zero, the demand goes to infinity...

Haha - thanks SF for taking care of our homeless. I think I will buy some more bus tickets for them tomorrow...

14 posted on 12/22/2008 8:13:47 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SmithL

People have always swarmed to California from other states. It’s always been a problem.

Nancy Pelosi, Barbabra Boxer, both from the east coast.

Charlie Manson? From Ohio...

Too bad all these freaks won’t stay home.


15 posted on 12/22/2008 8:14:58 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: SmithL

Blame, blame and blame.

Never solve, never solve, never solve.


16 posted on 12/22/2008 8:15:20 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: SmithL
officials at San Francisco's homeless agencies are proposing a radical idea - take care of the city's own first, and require newcomers to show proof of residency for aid.

They should implement similar policies for voting.

17 posted on 12/22/2008 8:15:51 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: SmithL

San Francisco panders to homeless, therefore it gets more of it.

I know if I were homeless it would likely be my destination. Relatively mild climate, and over the top social services.

When you fund/reward something, you wind up with more of it, period.


18 posted on 12/22/2008 8:16:35 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SmithL

LOL! Somebody wrote an article about that stupid hippy ode about “going to SF” and meeting “gentle people there.” The gost of the article is violent crime in SF was incredibly high. I think it was the Blender web site which is for music and young people. They quoted crime statistics and based on population etc - SF was reall freaking dangerous.

This was especially true compared to unelightened non gentle Red “racist” redneck towns & cities where crime per captia is fairly low.

I thought SF was a “sanctuary” city? How dare they turn people away - RACISTS!

Send the illegals home and Mexi-Porn-ia would no longer be bankrupt. Crime would also drop.


19 posted on 12/22/2008 8:16:39 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: SmithL

Last week, when it started to get really cold here in Portland Oregon, a reporter interviewed a homeless man and woman. They were bemoaning the fact that the shelter they were standing in front of only accepted men, no women. So they spent the night on the sidewalk in the cold. They said they came to Portland 5 weeks ago from Waco, Texas. They had an apartment there, but gave it up because they read on the internet that Portland was going to put an end to homelessness. What idiots. Gave up an apartment to come here and live on the street. They deserve to be homeless.


20 posted on 12/22/2008 8:17:33 AM PST by Veggie Todd (I have not talked to the governor - BHO)
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To: SmithL

San Francisco and much of California discourages residential development, which causes higher home prices and homelessness for some people with low incomes. It’s easier to build a pornographic movie studio than condominiums there, as discussed in a WSJ story posted at http://www.peopleforchange.net/index.php?showtopic=32150&pid=273785&mode=threaded&start= .


21 posted on 12/22/2008 8:17:43 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: hiredhand

Aw please stop the birds and bird feeder analogy. I love birds. They do not hit me up for money. ;-)


22 posted on 12/22/2008 8:18:56 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: SmithL

South Park - California is Good to the Homeless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFaMfIw1WZ4&feature=related


23 posted on 12/22/2008 8:19:50 AM PST by Buckhead
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To: SmithL

this is a massive barf alert article!


24 posted on 12/22/2008 8:20:34 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Kieri

“We just can’t figure it out!”

“Why is it when you provide incentives for certain behaviors, you get more of that behavior? We just don’t understand! (because we’re liberals)”


25 posted on 12/22/2008 8:20:57 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Veggie Todd

The couple you’re speaking of reminds me of the woman, who on Election Day, said that Barack Obama was gonna pay her mortgage and fill her gas tank. She was actually recorded on radio as having said that.

These people are blitheringly stupid.

And the worse part is that we (you and I) continually get to pay for their stupidity.


26 posted on 12/22/2008 8:20:58 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: SmithL

A story about loaves and fishes in San Francisco

Bill clinton came to SF to give a speech at noon one Saturday.

A host of citizens, many of them homeless gathered to hear the Bubba. At around one o’clock the mayor was concerned and told the crowd to go ahead and eat any lunch they brought along because he didn’t know when bill was coming.

There was a long haired and dirty young man on the front row. He has small loaf of bread and a can of sardines. He held it up for the mayor to see and acknowledge..... then he gobbled it all up himself.


27 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:33 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Save America......... put out lots of wafarin (it's working))
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To: SmithL

Only a relatively small percentage of the homeless are in that situation due to financial bad luck in life. The majority either have a substance abuse problem or a mental illness, or both.

We decided, as a society, to bascially dump mentally ill people on the streets back in the 60’s under the guise of protecting their freedoms. In reality, we simply did not want to continue to pay to keep them institutionalized. Of course, we continue to pay for the myriad of cost associated with the mentally ill homeless, such as emergency room visits, soup kitchens, outpatient psychiatric care, etc. Did we end up saving money? I doubt anyone really knows.


28 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:35 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Frantzie
Aw please stop the birds and bird feeder analogy. I love birds. They do not hit me up for money. ;-)

Then just think about a dump (birdfeeder) and all the seagulls (sky rats) that surround it instead of cute little chickadees and hummmingbirds.

29 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:35 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Free wireless, probably iPod/cellphone/laptop recharging stations, free food, free condoms & needles, etc. I was reading something about the younger homeless people being much hipper with cell phone, iPods and laptops.


30 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:08 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: SmithL

um...isn’t S.F. a sancutary city ?


31 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:24 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: SmithL

“You can tell the newcomers by the flowers in their hair. “

Most of ‘em are illegal alien criminals, but you won’t see SF do anything about that!


32 posted on 12/22/2008 8:25:14 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: SmithL

“Facing a crippling budget shortfall, officials at San Francisco’s homeless agencies are proposing a radical idea - take care of the city’s own first, and require newcomers to show proof of residency for aid.”

..... I wonder if that means that SFO will also now demand proof of residency to VOTE ???


33 posted on 12/22/2008 8:25:50 AM PST by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: SmithL

I can’t stop laughing over this article.


34 posted on 12/22/2008 8:26:07 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: SmithL

Move them into the Mayors house.


35 posted on 12/22/2008 8:26:31 AM PST by RC2
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To: SmithL

Aside from the homeless problems, SF is a filthy, dirty city.

All that romantic Tony Bennett stuff has faded away into a slum of a city.

The homeless simply are a by-product of the kind of thinking that made SF what it is today.


36 posted on 12/22/2008 8:27:29 AM PST by norge
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To: Citizen Blade

Actually,

The dumping of the chronic mentally ill onto the streets goes to the 80s mostly and it was probably one of the bigger mistakes Reagan made. To this day the chronic mentally ill walk the streets, this is disgusting and pathetic.

The mental health system in the US for the indigent in particular is an absolute travesty, but no one cares so it continues on.


37 posted on 12/22/2008 8:27:34 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Travis T. OJustice

LOL! I like ring necked doves and little brown sparrows. Cardinals and Blue Jays are good too.


38 posted on 12/22/2008 8:27:58 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: stylin19a
um...isn’t S.F. a sancutary city ?

As if any of that crap matters anymore.

Dallas Texas, 2006, 500,000 illegals march on Dallas, making demands and threats.


39 posted on 12/22/2008 8:28:03 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: Senator John Blutarski

“..... I wonder if that means that SFO will also now demand proof of residency to VOTE ???”

Oh, no, that would be racist.


40 posted on 12/22/2008 8:28:05 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: SmithL
"... By any measure, say Kayhan and Rhorer, the $190 million San Francisco spends annually helping the homeless is the highest per capita outlay of any U.S. city [...] In a city where the un-housed population is estimated at between 2,000 and 3,000, that's a significant number."

I lived in SF and once saw the amount spent on the homeless figured at $240 million a few years ago. Three thousand glue-sniffing violent hobos on the street is the number I've heard before.

$240,000,000/3,000 = $80,000 per homeless bum/year.

"... "It's scapegoating," said Paul Boden, director of the Western Regional Advocacy Project. "We have a crisis, so let's batten down the hatches and close the door."

Eighty thousand dollars per tramp is an absurd amount, Mr. Boden, and you don't want to lose your gravy train is what the real story is.

41 posted on 12/22/2008 8:28:31 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: HamiltonJay

The homeless are artifacts of the Nanny State.

Just like Big Nurse, but without the indexed pension.


42 posted on 12/22/2008 8:29:59 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: SmithL

Bailout?


43 posted on 12/22/2008 8:31:57 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: SmithL

Funny, how liberals cannot figure out people, but bears they know......

44 posted on 12/22/2008 8:32:34 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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To: Frantzie
Fine...birds...locusts...rats...No difference. Eveybody loves them to a degree until there are too many.

Feed the RATs!


45 posted on 12/22/2008 8:32:48 AM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: HamiltonJay
The dumping of the chronic mentally ill onto the streets goes to the 80s mostly and it was probably one of the bigger mistakes Reagan made.

Didn't Reagan first do this back when he was Governor in California? I could be wrong, though. But, I agree, this was one of Reagan's biggest mistakes.

The mental health system in the US for the indigent in particular is an absolute travesty, but no one cares so it continues on.

One of the main ways indigent people in the US get access to mental health services is through the prison system. The prison system is the country's biggest provider of mental health services. I suppose Americans don't like paying for mental health services if it is a line item on a budget, but they don't mind paying for those services if they are hidden in the prisons budget.

46 posted on 12/22/2008 8:33:43 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: SmithL

Gay homeless people go directly to the front of the line.


47 posted on 12/22/2008 8:33:48 AM PST by ScottinVA (islam IS the problem!)
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To: headsonpikes

No,

The homeless by and large are products of our society turning its back on the mentally ill. The press likes to portray it as the everyman could be there in just a few paychecks, but the reality is the vast overwhelming number of homeless are the chronically mentally ill, the next group being the addicts, and many being both.

If this nation has to stand before God and answer for its sins, its treatment of the indivent mentally ill will be very high on the list. I’m sorry, I love this country with all my heart, but the state of our mental health system is an absolute disgrace and indefensible by any moral standard.


48 posted on 12/22/2008 8:35:17 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
HamiltonJay, Reagan is blamed for the closure of the booby-hatches in CA in the '60s when he was governor. I lived in SF and have heard this old chestnut every time the issue of the homeless was brought up. Reagan didn't close the booby-hatches -- the homeless advocates did as a civil rights issue. It's big business for them, which I described above.

Besides, anyone who was kicked out on the streets in the 60s or even the 80s is dead. The homeless don't even last ten years in the wild on average. Moreover, many of SF's homeless population are released criminals from the several NorCal prisons, one of them just across the bay. SF is where the drugs are and where the police leave the druggies and homeless alone. That's why they're there.

49 posted on 12/22/2008 8:35:53 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: SmithL
and require newcomers to show proof of residency for aid.

"But I'm homeless, you bureaucratic putz!!! My residency is the third bench from the left. You sure didn't question that when you registered me to vote!" said the homeless person.

50 posted on 12/22/2008 8:36:54 AM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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