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US laser warplane under threat from Barack Obama
telegraph.co.uk ^ | December 23, 2008 | Alex Spillius

Posted on 12/23/2008 7:30:52 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

One of first the first decisions of US defence that the President-elect will face in office will be whether or not to continue funding for the futuristic Airborne Laser weapons programme.

The system aims to send an invisible, ultra-powerful laser beam from aircraft hundreds of miles from their targets, and could one day alter the nature of aerial warfare.

Primarily designed to strike enemy missile silos, the US Missile Defence Agency has called the ABL the answer to "rogue states" or terror groups equipped with intercontinental ballistic missiles.

The first, very limited, test firing was staged in late November. The laser was loaded on to a Boeing 747 and fired from a stationary plane at a target on the ground just a few yards away.

But already 12 years in the making and way over budget at $4.3 billion (£2.9 billion), developers Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grumman fear it could fall victim to the new administration as it seeks to save costs. Mr Obama has stated a preference for abandoning weapons whose efficacy is not yet proven.

Boeing is now planning to develop the weapon's planned target range to include aircraft and enemy ballistic missiles in flight.

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1 posted on 12/23/2008 7:30:53 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“0bama has stated a preference for abandoning weapons whose efficacy is not yet proven. “

So, a free market solution would be ok? Asshat.


2 posted on 12/23/2008 7:35:24 PM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: papasmurf

Not even a slingshot will be approved by the Indonesian illegal alien president.


3 posted on 12/23/2008 7:36:28 PM PST by max americana
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What about the sharks with the laser beams attached to their head?


4 posted on 12/23/2008 7:39:42 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
>>>Mr Obama has stated a preference for abandoning weapons whose efficacy is not yet proven. <<<

Shows a mental midget's attitued toward the process of weapons science, engineering, testing and development.

With this attitude, Enrico Fermi's grandchild would still be messing around with an "atomic pile" under the stands of the Chicago University stadium.

5 posted on 12/23/2008 7:40:51 PM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: max americana

I actually worked on the first airborne laser lab (c-135) in the early 1970’s. USAF Kirtland AFB New Mexico.


6 posted on 12/23/2008 7:41:23 PM PST by Eaglefixer
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To: Eaglefixer

That was when Nixon was president. How did it work out?


7 posted on 12/23/2008 7:43:28 PM PST by max americana
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To: Free ThinkerNY

High tech stuff is usually above the paygrade of even the most expensive lawyer.


8 posted on 12/23/2008 7:44:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Free ThinkerNY

9 posted on 12/23/2008 7:44:29 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: max americana

It could hit a one foot circle on another aircraft with both flying. It was never designed to be an operational system. It used a chemical laser that occupied the whole aircraft.


10 posted on 12/23/2008 7:48:03 PM PST by Eaglefixer
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To: Eaglefixer

It showed that the concept worked. The target acquisition and targeting system is vital.


11 posted on 12/23/2008 7:51:09 PM PST by Eaglefixer
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Me Tarzan. Me break thunersticks. No bring thundersticks into forest.

Obama the new Tarzan. Rahm Emmanuel his mini-me.


12 posted on 12/23/2008 7:51:22 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Mr Obama has stated a preference for abandoning weapons whose efficacy is not yet proven.

In other words, any new weapon system.

13 posted on 12/23/2008 7:53:00 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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To: HardStarboard
" Shows a mental midget's attitued toward the process of weapons science, engineering, testing and development."

He seems to be all for unproven, if not unpractical experimental energy technologies that virtually any company could have created during the past decades, but chose not to for obvious reasons.

14 posted on 12/23/2008 7:53:16 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Eaglefixer

> It used a chemical laser that occupied the whole aircraft.
Yikes!


15 posted on 12/23/2008 7:57:48 PM PST by max americana
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To: max americana
That was so well put....I think it should be your tagline... Barack Hussein Obama, an Indonesian Illegal Alien

...or something like that.

16 posted on 12/23/2008 8:15:28 PM PST by NordP (CONSERVATIVE AGAIN IN 2010 ..... Now, is it 2012 yet ???)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Our great military will go downhill fast, even faster than when Bill Clinton was in office. I can speak from first hand knowledge that people are lining up to get out as soon as possible now that we have a terrorist and a muslim for a president.

Sad sad day in America.............

17 posted on 12/23/2008 8:23:13 PM PST by pctech
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To: HardStarboard

“Primarily designed to strike enemy missile silos, ...”

This also shows the author has no idea what he is talking about. Stupid statement!


18 posted on 12/23/2008 8:25:36 PM PST by Laserman
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To: max americana

I can’t believe we got stuck with this Kenyan community organizer.


19 posted on 12/23/2008 8:26:41 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Eaglefixer

I actually flew the first airborne laser system called the Airborne Laser Lab (ALL).


20 posted on 12/23/2008 8:27:10 PM PST by Laserman
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To: Eaglefixer

21 posted on 12/23/2008 8:31:32 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The headline makes it sound like the President-Elect is going to shoot the plane down personally.


22 posted on 12/23/2008 8:35:28 PM PST by mhx
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To: F15Eagle

Thanks for the pic of Good Ole 123!

The project was a success, though the technology was not sufficient to lead to an operational system. Even the current ABL will see technology changes before it becomes operational. But the general concept is a good idea for missile defense and other missions.


23 posted on 12/23/2008 8:36:15 PM PST by Laserman
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To: Laserman; struwwelpeter
And then there's the old Looking Glass


24 posted on 12/23/2008 8:39:19 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The anti-Reagan

With him at the helm, we'll be weakened considerably....in sooooo many ways.

25 posted on 12/23/2008 8:45:55 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Of course he will cancel it. Bambi needs the cash for ACORN and his other welfare fans. It would be a shame to fund a program where people actually create something. Need to hand all that money to those that contribute nothing to this county but the census count.
26 posted on 12/23/2008 8:57:18 PM PST by jerry639 (Obama=false hope for delusional followers.)
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To: Eaglefixer

I also remember the first airborne laser laboratory as well. I was with the 4950th Test Wing at WPAFB, OH in the early 80’s.


27 posted on 12/23/2008 9:06:05 PM PST by wjcsux (White liberal elites are America's losers with money.)
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To: Eaglefixer

ALL didn’t use a chemical laser – it was an electric discharge laser operating at 10.6 um. Both ABL and ATL use chemical (oxygen iodine laser, or COIL) devices.


28 posted on 12/23/2008 9:06:35 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope. ~~ sigh ~~)
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To: pctech
Our great military will go downhill fast, even faster than when Bill Clinton was in office. I can speak from first hand knowledge that people are lining up to get out as soon as possible now that we have a terrorist and a muslim for a president.
I knew this was coming.
29 posted on 12/23/2008 9:10:15 PM PST by wjcsux (White liberal elites are America's losers with money.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Perhaps the Airborne Laser can be part of the light show for Obama’s next international speech.
30 posted on 12/23/2008 9:21:32 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Laserman
Boeing is now planning to develop the weapon's planned target range to include aircraft and enemy ballistic missiles in flight.

And then this little gem later in the article. It is clear that the author was just too lazy to do any work for this article.

31 posted on 12/23/2008 9:41:24 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Where’s Dale Brown?


32 posted on 12/23/2008 9:45:26 PM PST by wastedyears ("Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How many campaign contributions did Obama get from China and/or Russia?


33 posted on 12/23/2008 9:57:31 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: F15Eagle

Looking Glass Looking Glass, this is Skybird, this is Skybird - do not reply

Message follows

Delta
Xray
Charlie
Foxtrot.......

about 2 pages later

Skybird, Out.

SOOoooooo glad those days are over. Aren’t they?


34 posted on 12/23/2008 10:29:22 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: ASOC

Actually, (from memory since that’s one of my fav movies) but far from perfect:


Pilot: Start all engines

Co-pilot: Good start, all engines

Sky King, Sky King, stand by to copy your red dot 5 message

Message is: Alpha, Golf, Hotel, India, Delta

Authentication is Sierra, Foxtrot

Sky King, Sky King

Pilot: Navigator, co-pilot confirm

Navigator: That’s a valid message

Co-pilot: It’s valid

Pilot: Prepare for scramble take off

Pilot: Co-pilot ready?

(silence)

Pilot: CO-PILOT READY?!?!?

Co-pilot: ... ready ...


In “Fail Safe” I think the go code was CAP800 — been awhile


I thought it was OPE163 or OPE153 in “Dr. Strangelove” but that’s been too long. Correct though, was the General Buck Turgedson who said there were over 17 million permutations of 3 alpha and 3 numeral codes.


No more B-52’s circling at fail safe points, but yeah, those days are not over yet. At least Pooty-Poot is going to have a harder time finding more cash these days with oil down, at least for the moment.


35 posted on 12/23/2008 11:00:17 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

I used to work in SAC command posts fixing the SLFCS rigs. Funky TTY rigs. But easy enuf to work on.

Used to hear this chatter all the time over the squak box.....


36 posted on 12/23/2008 11:03:25 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: ASOC

Seemed like they used a real SAC crew on an exercise in “The Day After”. Back in the 80’s I used to drive by a hot silo next to the highway while I was attending a different college one semester.

I noticed the B-52 scrambled was painted in a SAC black scheme, or so it looked.


37 posted on 12/23/2008 11:04:01 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: ASOC

Yikes. Remember when the Russian tanks accidentally wandered into Germany? Good thing public folks like me didn’t know it happened, LOL.


38 posted on 12/23/2008 11:07:51 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

In 78 or 79 SAC did a full scale ‘war flush’ at Fairchild AFB near Spokane.

MITO takeoff and an aluvial fan formation... the real deal. Scared the crap of the entire county. Nothing like seeing a B-52 and a pair of KC-135s at near treetop level and blasting away on a full out boogie.....

I found out the results of the exercise - we won, sorta.


39 posted on 12/23/2008 11:16:48 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: F15Eagle

Were they ‘lost’ or just looking for beer?


40 posted on 12/23/2008 11:17:59 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Weapon system- Some high tech jazz that ain't down with the street.

Status- Canceled

Reason- White folks' laser beams not required to defend against primary enemies: Corporate greed and white supremacy.

Proposed replacement: Counseling program (TBD)

41 posted on 12/23/2008 11:20:34 PM PST by TonyStark
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To: ASOC

Cool. Mother Russia would be signing her death warrant, even today. But they could hurt us pretty bad with those Topol’s.

Friend of mine lives more than a few miles off the end of the Whiteman runway. On the morning of 9/11, he had broken his arm apparently a few days before so he was sitting out on his front porch, taking some time off work, having a cup of coffee ....

When all of a sudden the entire ready fleet of B-2’s flew overhead, one right after another. They sortied all their capable birds (dunno if it was all they had — he didn’t count).

He didn’t have the TV on and didn’t know what happened.


What kills me is all the conspiracy theories about what plain white 747 was circling over DC on 9/11. Obviously it was a unmarked E-4/NAOC or something pretty similar to a NAOC bird, and probably with all the capabilities, if not more.

I thought the E-6 TACAMO’s had been retired but I think they were upgraded, Looking Glass was retired, and NAOC birds took over the Looking Glass functions as well.


42 posted on 12/23/2008 11:26:38 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: ASOC

LOL. Story was they actually got lost in the woods or fields and accidentally wandered over the lines. Caused a few folks to be startled.


43 posted on 12/23/2008 11:27:56 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: ASOC

There was another wild story from the 1980’s. A Russian pilot in a MiG-23 began a takeoff roll. I think from a Moscow AB or one really near. Plane catches on fire during the roll but he can’t abort and lifted off. Then ejects.

Aircraft flew on pilotless and crashed into an apartment or townhome in Germany killing a woman. I saw the picture of the -23’s tail in the wreckage in the news.


44 posted on 12/23/2008 11:30:39 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

No laser, no NASA, no border control, no drilling, high taxes and yes, meetings with our enemies.

How could 57 million people vote for this maggot? I think McCain would have been as bad in many aspects, but he would have kept the military strong.

Every Liberal will dismantle the military for handouts and domestic boondoggles.


45 posted on 12/23/2008 11:40:59 PM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: wac3rd
How could 57 million people vote for this maggot?

That's 1 million per state!

:)
46 posted on 12/23/2008 11:42:09 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

(OPEN SOURCE)

The MERCURY birds are still active.

I haven’t bothered to listen to any Zulu net traffic in a while or any Blue Grass for that matter. I have a HF-GCS station about two miles from the house - hard to miss them while I am SWL.

I would guess it was a ‘spare’ NAOC bird loaned out to FEMA? Ok by current rules and the bird is in the inventory.


47 posted on 12/23/2008 11:46:39 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: F15Eagle

How can Obama’s attorneys clear Obama and Emanuel?

How can Madoff’s contributions not be front page news?

How can Odinga/Obama/Corsi not be reported?

How can one person garner 10 Time Magazine covers in a year, not including Man of the Year?

How can a photoshopped photo of Obama make international news?

The Media has created a monster that the all gush and fawn over...for no reason, other than he is 1/2 black and Liberal. No questions on associations, family memebers, grades, medical records, voting records, legal clients, shady RE deals, pork barrel spending...and the denial/cover-up continues every day...every article is postive, upbeat and “he will save us”/ Nothing negative about Democrats, ever.

I hate the Media...I am not even looking for RNC/Hannity cheerleading, I just want an obvious fraud to be exposed for what he is...this isn’t a hard task, but the MSM refuses to no support the Marxist Messiah.

How hard is it to get an FCC license and start our own network?


48 posted on 12/23/2008 11:49:10 PM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: wac3rd
How can .... ??

Dunno ... some days I think this is not all that far-fetched. The media is covering for him, big time. You can see the glee in their faces when they mention his name and they just accept whatever he says with very rare skepticism. Almost non-existent.


49 posted on 12/23/2008 11:55:10 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: ASOC

Lived in Midwest City as a kid. Used to stand in my yard and watch all the fighters and other birds flying low overhead.

Was on my Honda at a cycle park while the Blue Angels were doing a show at Tinker in F-4 Phantom II’s. One came right over the motorcycle park, low. Wow.


50 posted on 12/23/2008 11:57:40 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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